Dollar Cost Avg (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Apr 15, 2026 7:03 AM
Dollar Cost Avg (by Bonanza [NC]) Apr 15, 2026 8:05 AM
Dollar Cost Avg (by zero [IN]) Apr 15, 2026 9:28 AM
Dollar Cost Avg (by Richard [MI]) Apr 15, 2026 3:31 PM
Dollar Cost Avg (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Apr 16, 2026 6:43 AM
Dollar Cost Avg (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Apr 16, 2026 6:46 AM
Dollar Cost Avg (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Apr 16, 2026 6:54 AM
Dollar Cost Avg (by zero [IN]) Apr 16, 2026 12:30 PM
Dollar Cost Avg (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Apr 16, 2026 2:33 PM
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Dollar Cost Avg (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Apr 15, 2026 7:03 AM Message:
Waiting Rarely Works
There are some folks out there that are still waiting for a property where the 1% rule works. It is my belief that that rule was sidelined when the government printed up Trillions of Dollars to go help the self- imposed crisis. This isn't a rant about if there was actually a crisis or not. It is an illustration on how using dollar cost averaging in investing while using other investment tools that I have used for decades. These will be examples from the heartland of the country
Back about 2010, I picked up a true junker of an REO. The sales price was cheaper than a new car at the time. But the place needed a new furnace, new roof, and looked like something from the 1960s with all the Knotty pine walls. After $30,000 in repairs, we owned the place for about a dozen years. The initial $57,000 that was put into the place has resulted in more than $90,000 in rent. The place when listed, sold in less than a week for roughly $120,000. Since the initial sales price was about $25,000, we did alright with country home. We didn't push hard on the rents, and the place stayed full.
I believe in dollar cost averaging in real estate purchases. Each and every year, we will buy or sell between seven to 12 places. In years where prices are more elevated, we may do a smaller number of transactions. If the market is more set to grow, we will do more. Currently, we believe a contraction is headed our way. This area tends to lag the national trends, and some areas are getting beat up now.
With the sale that occurred above, by doing a 1031 exchange the profit and depreciation ruled over to the replacement property. I believe in finding a transaction before it becomes public. There is just too much money still out there that makes using the MLS difficult to find a deal. So, this is where real estate is a relationship business comes into play. An estate attorney let me know that there was an estate that had to close quickly and with a set price - so no haggling. He needed someone to perform and do so quickly.
The house is three blocks from the largest spring feed lake in the state. It was a 1970's-time capsule minus the Brady Family. The price was $135,000 from what I recall. It needed windows, flooring, appliances, well pump and paint. About $18,000 was pit into it. The place rents for $1,300. I did just have to replace the boiler on the place three weeks ago, so that was another $7,000. The house across the street from this one- an exact clone, is listed for sale at $232,000.
Over the course of one real estate cycle in the conservative heartland, property values have gone up 10-fold with the use of forced appreciation. The places have paid for itself repeatedly and have tossed off positive cash flow. I wonder if I should peel that one off, but I am not there yet for that place. Do I think the market will go down, absolutely. Will it matter if the initial sales price was about $25,000?
So, for those of you those of you looking for that perfect deal before pulling the trigger - Thank you. You have two paths you can follow when you invest in real estate. 1) Wait to invest again. 2) Invest again and then wait. Time is a powerful tool --173.188.xx.xxx |
Dollar Cost Avg (by Bonanza [NC]) Posted on: Apr 15, 2026 8:05 AM Message:
I think sometimes my problem is debt. Any by that, I mean I understand that debt is necessary to build wealth. The whole "other people's money" concept and using it as a wealth multiplier. I have loans, and I am not debt free. I also understand the advantage of having notes against properties to make potential lawsuits look less attractive. I understand that loans are not taxed like income is. But at the end of the day, I also want to be debt free. I would sleep better at night. All this mental musing puts me in a disadvantage when coming to buying more property. there is also the point where enough is enough. If this is what you love to do (find deals) then you have to go for it. For me this has always been a way to stop working (retire) and adding more property will just create more work. More wealth isn't something you can necessarily spend or use when you get toward the dying end of the a natural adult lifespan. Unless the goal is to make your kids rich on all of your hard work. --65.188.xxx.xxx |
Dollar Cost Avg (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Apr 15, 2026 9:28 AM Message:
While I do not have a pipeline to feed from for off-market places, I have made a few inquiries.
None of them panned out, but I am still half heartedly looking for more.
Having cash on hand has always worked for me in the past. Unfortunately I have spent the money and now it is all but gone.
I planned to do a cash out refi on a duplex I recently rehabbed. But my tenant in one side cranked the heat up so much that now there are black marks (shadowing) on the walls. She cleans all the time, but they keep coming back because of the heat.
I do have another house I am considering doing a refi on to get some of the money back I spent on it. Maybe I can do that so I will be better prepared for when another deal comes around the bend?
We own our PR free and clear. I like having other people's money work for me but there is just something about not having that debt tied to my house.
Planning an exit strategy is also pretty high on the list of things to accomplish this year. --47.227.xx.xxx |
Dollar Cost Avg (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Apr 15, 2026 3:31 PM Message:
A friend of mine refinanced his place recently. He was about 73 years old. Two months after the refinance, he passed away suddenly. He and his wife FAILED to get the insurance along with the loan to pay it off if he passed or became incapacitated. She was left with the entire mortgage and not enough money coming in to pay it. She wound up selling it quickly (against advice) for a big loss.
Those few dollars a month for the insurance, which they could have afforded, would have made things completely different.
This got me thinking because I'm getting older also. I might be able to refi my places and put that insurance on them. The rent would cover the total cost on each place and when the time comes, they would get paid off by the insurance policies. I'm looking at a big number and likely years early playoffs, leaving my family and trust with paid off places as well as more capital. All this with the tenants making the payments. It would take YEARS of rent collections to get that much cash. --50.36.xxx.xx |
Dollar Cost Avg (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Apr 16, 2026 6:43 AM Message:
Bonanza - at the convention remind about you wanting to be debt free and we can write up a loan ladder plan. Where so many people say they want to live debt free, I prefer living with reduce taxes. A loan ladder plan allows you have some asset protection while getting tax free money, limited hedge on inflation, and positive cash flow.
The plan works best in REAL real estate markets instead of those riding the roller coaster of appreciation. In an area like yours, getting $50,000-75,000 tax free annually would be a piece a cake --173.188.xx.xxx |
Dollar Cost Avg (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Apr 16, 2026 6:46 AM Message:
Zero - Why do you want your primary residence free and clear?
If you were to get sued, the very first thing they will check is does this person own their own home and if they do, how much is owed against it. If the answer is Yes - they will dig deeper. Instead, have the rentals with LOCs --173.188.xx.xxx |
Dollar Cost Avg (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Apr 16, 2026 6:54 AM Message:
Richard = you might want to research Charitable Remainder Trust. It is the structure that you described and allows for the transfer of wealth upon your demise, while giving you a hands-off income stream today --173.188.xx.xxx |
Dollar Cost Avg (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Apr 16, 2026 12:30 PM Message:
Ray, the plan is to put it in a trust and then hock it to you for a dollar.
The Ray-N-Pa Asset Liquidation Association.
--138.199.xx.xxx |
Dollar Cost Avg (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Apr 16, 2026 2:33 PM Message:
Cute but a better idea - place into a land trust, with a personal property trust as the trustee - if you need a trustee address that will throw a curve ball away from you PO Box 305 Meadville, Pa 16335.
If the property is in one state, you use say an Illinois Land trust and have your trustee in a third state, go ahead and find you to sue.
And even if you screw up badly enough that you get sued, the deck of cards you set up would require filing in three states or settling the matter out of court. I am just saying, if the trustee only has an email address to the successor trustee - knowing what state they are in in a one in 50 guess. --173.188.xx.xxx |
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