Courage (by J [IN]) Oct 7, 2025 11:19 AM
Courage (by NE [PA]) Oct 7, 2025 11:25 AM
Courage (by J [IN]) Oct 7, 2025 11:44 AM
Courage (by NE [PA]) Oct 7, 2025 12:02 PM
Courage (by Robert J [CA]) Oct 7, 2025 3:22 PM
Courage (by JP [IL]) Oct 7, 2025 6:44 PM
Courage (by zero [IN]) Oct 7, 2025 9:05 PM
Courage (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Oct 8, 2025 10:31 AM
Courage (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Oct 15, 2025 1:39 AM
Courage (by zero [IN]) Oct 15, 2025 6:37 AM
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Courage (by J [IN]) Posted on: Oct 7, 2025 11:19 AM Message:
Just a follow up on the rent increases. I did get them sent soon after I got called out on it at the convention. I had some complaints, no moveouts, nothing out of the norm, some people forget to adjust the ammount at their bank, ect, but one resident did not agree with the rent increase (even though she is way below market). She decided she would determine what she would pay and I had to ask myself, WWJD and we decided not to renew her month to month lease. She was sad but found a place to move to and was out by the date of the non renewal. Just wanted to let Jeffrey know (and everyone else in the group) I appreciate the encouragement! Thank you. Courage --207.113.xxx.xxx |
Courage (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Oct 7, 2025 11:25 AM Message:
2 questions. How much was your average increase? How much $ do you loose from the lady who moved out with vacancy and rehab? --24.152.xxx.xx |
Courage (by J [IN]) Posted on: Oct 7, 2025 11:44 AM Message:
I would say average was 4%. The one that moved was $225 per month below market so I think I will be fine. The apartment needs a deep rehab which will also raise the value of the buildiing by multiples when it is done and rented at market. All the rent lost over the years on her apartment by not increasing the rent regularly can never be recovered. NE I know where you are going because I was there but I am being convinced the other way. Dang now I may have to finally attend the Bootcamp and get some more ideas. --207.113.xxx.xxx |
Courage (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Oct 7, 2025 12:02 PM Message:
Well, you don’t know exactly where I’m going. $225 below market is a guess and what you get when you re-rent it is also a guess. Next time instead of a move out notice, unless you want the person gone, I would delay the increase for 3 to 6 months or break up out over 3 to 6 months. Month 1 $25, month 2 $50 and month 3 the $75 increase you want. Also, if they choose the amount that they want to raise helps prevent the vacancy. If she was at 1000 and you raised her to $1225, I can see where she’s coming from. But if you asked her what she could afford and she said 100 bucks and you asked her again next year and she says 50 bucks and next year is another 50 bucks. You get another three more years out of her. Another thing Jeffrey has said is always try to save the tenancy. All this being said if you don’t want them to leave. --174.240.xxx.xx |
Courage (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Oct 7, 2025 3:22 PM Message:
A few years back, tenants in one building complained they couldn't afford a rent increase. At that time under our Rent Control, I was limited with only a 4% annual increase. So I just let things go, not raising anyone in that property -- 15 units.
I noticed several tenants purchased a new car, or big screen time, or even a new fast computer. Their story was just fiction.
All of my units were 2 Bedrooms with 1 parking spot, average rent was $950/mo. The going rate for a 2+1 was $1,400.
So I had my neighbor/owner next door place a For Rent Sign on the middle of his front lawn. "Two Bedroom, New Appliances, Basic Cable Included with 1 parking spot, $1,100". He had an answering machine saying, "Out on vacation, will return in 1 week"!
SO I handed my 15 tenants a rent increase, of only 4%. From $950 to $988/month. My tenant talked between themselves and told me if I raise their rent, then they would move.
I said, "You can't move, you hadn't given me my 30 day written notice"! They all handed me a notice, thinking I would back down.
SO I quickly rented out the 15 units, thru a service, new tenancy to start in 30 days.
SO when my tenants learned the unit next door was taken, they went apartment hunting. Only to find out, rents were over $1,400 a month. Since they gave me notice and I re-rented their units, I just made an increase of thousands per month. --47.143.xx.xx |
Courage (by JP [IL]) Posted on: Oct 7, 2025 6:44 PM Message:
I've been through this with the County property tax assessor, and the property insurance companies.
They are MERCILESS. My county already charges twice the property tax for anything rented out over homeowners, and can raise property taxes twice in one year!
I've also seen property insurance rates for rented property double on people.
So no, never raising rent and going bankrupt is not an option.
All of our new leases have an automatic annual rent increase in them now. --23.123.xx.xxx |
Courage (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Oct 7, 2025 9:05 PM Message:
Good on you J!
I am sure that Jeffrey is proud of you for the courage to do your job.
I have yet to get any pushback from my meager 3% increases. Had one long term tenant mention something to another tenant. But she told him she was paying more than he was so he calmed down before it got to me.
It has been decided that if a tenant pushes back on the increase they are no longer being cooperative and I will ask them to leave.
We are a little under market for places that are close to what we provide in the same town. We don't get the big dollar amounts that most here on the board do, but we have less costs I guess.
I rented the last three apartments out before they were done. Third one signed the lease today and will get keys on Thursday. Have another that is being worked on but is rented out as soon as I am done.
Maybe I am doing it wrong. I keep the places filled with decent people. My move outs are from buying houses, getting married and the like. Nobody moving out because they hate the place or me for that matter.
I cashflow on each place I rent.
Admittedly I need to go back thru the insurance and property taxes to see what my actual percentage increases are. Maybe I am leaving money on the table this way? --47.248.xxx.xxx |
Courage (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Oct 8, 2025 10:31 AM Message:
Thank you for updating us. I am glad you got solid results and more importantly overcame fear - which causes so many folks to freeze in place. Freezing in place is absolutely acceptable as long all other expenses also freeze in place. I have never seen that ever happen yet but I suppose in a deflationary period it could as it last did in the 1930's.
More importantly, you are providing a shining role model for others who might not have elected to speak up yet to look again at their business practices.
--67.140.xx.xxx |
Courage (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Oct 15, 2025 1:39 AM Message:
You GO J!
Your convention comment about courage years ago gave ME the courage to do increases.
I also made a simple spreadsheet on one occupied home showing the rent each month in one column and what it SHOULD have been with normal yearly increases over a 5 year period.
The missing $20-30 increases added up to a THOUSAND$$$! on just that one home.
I signed checks to State Farm yesterday. The bookkeeper was AMAZED at how much each house went up.
I went to buy a (formerly) $10 item at Lowes today. Current price $23.
Renters EXPECT rents to rise.
Timid LLs raise skinny kids!
BRAD
--68.45.xxx.xxx |
Courage (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Oct 15, 2025 6:37 AM Message:
We are supposed to meet with our SF agent next week.
I am not looking forward to it. --47.248.xxx.xxx |
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