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Sorta OT: No Smoke Alarms (by MAT [PA]) Sep 7, 2025 9:36 PM
       Sorta OT: No Smoke Alarms (by Deanna [TX]) Sep 7, 2025 9:52 PM
       Sorta OT: No Smoke Alarms (by MC [PA]) Sep 8, 2025 6:25 AM
       Sorta OT: No Smoke Alarms (by NE [PA]) Sep 8, 2025 6:57 AM
       Sorta OT: No Smoke Alarms (by DJ [VA]) Sep 8, 2025 7:50 AM
       Sorta OT: No Smoke Alarms (by Ken [NY]) Sep 8, 2025 8:12 AM
       Sorta OT: No Smoke Alarms (by plenty [MO]) Sep 8, 2025 8:26 AM
       Sorta OT: No Smoke Alarms (by zero [IN]) Sep 8, 2025 10:19 AM
       Sorta OT: No Smoke Alarms (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Sep 8, 2025 10:38 AM
       Sorta OT: No Smoke Alarms (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Sep 8, 2025 12:41 PM
       Sorta OT: No Smoke Alarms (by PG [SC]) Sep 8, 2025 2:47 PM
       Sorta OT: No Smoke Alarms (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Sep 8, 2025 5:17 PM
       Sorta OT: No Smoke Alarms (by MAT [PA]) Sep 9, 2025 10:20 PM
       Sorta OT: No Smoke Alarms (by zero [IN]) Sep 10, 2025 8:04 PM


Sorta OT: No Smoke Alarms (by MAT [PA]) Posted on: Sep 7, 2025 9:36 PM
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My daughter is in college and moved in to a 5-bedroom, three-story rental house in Baltimore city this fall. Being a landlord and father, of course I told her to go around and make sure there are working smoke detectors. As near as she can tell, they've only found one smoke detector in the upstairs hall, and haven't even tested it to make sure it works. By my count, they should have at least 9 (one on each floor including the basement, and one in each bedroom.)

I told her to contact the landlord, and she's done that, but he hasn't addressed the issue yet. She's a little reluctant to push it, because they've already had to contact him about several other items (mice, roaches, running toilet). She's trying to be a good partner and not be a PITA, but my impression so far is that he doesn't run a very tight ship. I assume if she contacted the city, they'd be all over that, but nobody wants to do that for the same reasons we don't want our tenants to contact the city.

I wouldn't mind in the least driving down there, spending a hundred bucks and an hour of my time, and putting up a few smoke detectors (with the landlord's permission). I fully understand it's not in any way my responsibility, but it really wouldn't be putting me out at all, and I'd rather my daughter and her friends be safe. Would even be nice to spend some time with her.

So my question: Would that somehow open me up to liability, though, if something happens?

--108.52.xxx.xxx




Sorta OT: No Smoke Alarms (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Sep 7, 2025 9:52 PM
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Baltimore has Baltimore's reputation. It can be a cool place with a lot of history, or it can be really run-down and rat-infested.

Your daughter chose a place with mice, roaches, a running toilet, and one smoke detector. With 5 bedrooms in play, I'm sure it's because she likes the people who chose to live there first-- or are they all strangers?

I'd go to the local box store and pick up a few packs of battery-operated smoke detectors. Put a pushpin in the wall, and hang the battery-operated smoke detector in each room that needs one that doesn't have one. 5 years ago, the First Alert 9v-battery-operated smoke detectors run about $5 each. Nowadays, those are $10, if you can find them, but it's easier to find the $15-$20 ones nowadays. Some of those also detect carbon monoxide.

Mail them to her. They should come with the 9v battery included. Tell her to sharpie the date on them before she assembles them.

But give her the independence she needs to solve the problem. --137.118.xx.xxx




Sorta OT: No Smoke Alarms (by MC [PA]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2025 6:25 AM
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The issues you mentioned would be cause to break a lease. Her safety is priceless. She or roomies can put them up and get fire extinguishers. The rodent issue is a health issue. Would you let your Ts live like that? Te her to start documenting and looking for a new place. Even if the Ts put smoke alarms in and leave for clearly a better place,they could be saving someone else's life. Do it NOW@ --73.230.xxx.xx




Sorta OT: No Smoke Alarms (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2025 6:57 AM
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I’d say that’s probably a deal breaker. If the landlord doesn’t at least take care of those, you’ve got a bum landlord. --24.152.xxx.xx




Sorta OT: No Smoke Alarms (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2025 7:50 AM
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Liability for if the house burned down and "your" alarms didn't work? I don't know, but I would rather have them there & be able to sleep at night, & take whatever little chance of liability there "may" be (or maybe not.)

I Totally agree with Deanna.

Break the lease? Well... not too sure yet...

Running toilet - normal problem, landlord just may not have noticed it at turnover.

Roaches - how many? Is it possible one of the 5 house-mates just brought some in with them? Teach them all about products to use to control them. Introduce them to domyownpestcontrol.com and keeping food in tight zip-loc bags. As Deanna said: give them the info they need and a nudge to learn how to solve their own problems.

Mice- again, how bad/for how long? It is the time of year that it gets chilly outside and mice look for a warmer spot inside. It's nature. Teach the kids how to set out traps.

And, if it were me, I would contact the Landlord directly with the friendly attitude of a parent trying to help kids learn to handle real life while also looking out for their safety and comfort - connect as a fellow landlord & offer to help them IF they feel they need/want some. (Like share with them how you had to find the cracks mice got through before, in your place - and how you found a good way to do it. And you would be glad to show them/ help them get those holes sealed up - IF they want) Their reply would tell a lot about their management. --72.218.xx.xxx




Sorta OT: No Smoke Alarms (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2025 8:12 AM
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the only real complaint here is the smoke alarms and for all we know it may be a tenant requirement to install them if they want them,probably not but regardless.toilet,mice and roaches could all be no big deal the owner didnt know about.I dont think you would have any liability but i think if you do anything you will create a bunch of girls who become dependent on you and they wont deal with the problem through proper channells.I bet you werent asked about them renting that particular apt so why get involved now?Your kid needs to learn how to grow up and solve her own problems, these are minor and dont require a parent.How many of us would take a call from a parent? no thanks tell your kid to call me --98.98.xx.xx




Sorta OT: No Smoke Alarms (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2025 8:26 AM
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It is a catch 22... Where you going to live and go to school there. Lots to deal with. I'm with the push pin hang or activate and set around. A fire would be bad, could be terrific if life was lost, at that point there is no accountability that justifies the reasoning behind not having this simply safety device. --172.59.xxx.xxx




Sorta OT: No Smoke Alarms (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2025 10:19 AM
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Slumlords gonna slumlord.

I also would not accept a call from a parent, LL or not.

The pro college landlords around here typically do not take great care of their places. They get as many students in there as possible, rake in the cash and let the places fall into disrepair.

We were fortunate enough to buy a place away from campus and house both kids while they got brainwashed in college.

You want to visit her anyhow, so take some treats for her. Including a few smoke detectors (& CO if needed). She can pass them around, install them or sell them on FB.

You visit her without complaining about her living arrangement, or you find a place to buy and let her manage it for you. --47.248.xxx.xxx




Sorta OT: No Smoke Alarms (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2025 10:38 AM
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I assume with roommates with such a large place. I am also thinking that in a big city, there is going to be limited rental opportunity for students in their price range. So, if she is thinking about breaking the lease, she had better look carefully to see what it could be replaced with.

Me, I'd just buy some smoke detectors and fix the running toilet. Put out some roach bait and some mouse traps. We are not talking a lot of money here, but if there are roommates, perhaps they would chip in and help pay the cost of the smoke detectors and pest control.

You've got a landlord who doesn't keep on top of things, which I am pretty sure she saw before she signed the lease. Maybe, it as as good as she and her friends can do, so part of the cost of living there is to provide their own health and safety. --76.178.xxx.xxx




Sorta OT: No Smoke Alarms (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2025 12:41 PM
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No easy answers. At one level, you want there very best for our kids, and at the same time - the kids have face real life issues in which we have shielded them from previously.

What does your daughter want you to do?

We can all agree that much of this can be tied to bad land lording, it isn't always the LLs fault. There are not any easy answers, but I do like the idea of mailing overnight new alarms and empowering the kids to take on responsibility and problem-solving while being good tenants.

The infestations might be big issues or maybe small ones. Over reacting tenants are not asked to be repeat customers. Will the next place be better? --98.17.xx.xxx




Sorta OT: No Smoke Alarms (by PG [SC]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2025 2:47 PM
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I would spend money getting her out of there. You can buy her a house and let her be the LL. Worked for me. --172.74.xxx.xxx




Sorta OT: No Smoke Alarms (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2025 5:17 PM
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Smoke alarms do not put the fires where with Uponor pex piping can install a sprinkler system using 3/4" to 1/2" pex piping where can be a DIY. As a landlord with a multi-residential apartment building it takes four months just to pay property taxes along costs of testing central fire alarm system, fire extinguishers inspection. Across the road there is a house with 3 illegal apartments where no egress from basement windows along no fire alarm system. A gamble is good when winning where if there is a fire even if the tenant deliberately starts the insurance company will not cover as it was insured as a single family house with getting building permits to convert to apartments. a central fire alarm uses heat sensors and smoke alarm where the whole system will be activated when there is a fire along with battery backup will work when power fails where the lowest cost is a single zone central fire alarm system. --216.110.xxx.xxx




Sorta OT: No Smoke Alarms (by MAT [PA]) Posted on: Sep 9, 2025 10:20 PM
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Appreciate all the responses. She's not considering breaking the lease, as it's a large, decent looking house that's close to campus, and those are very hard to come by. And the issues identified are all things she's comfortable working through, since they all have relatively simple solutions.

If he doesn't address the smoke detectors this week, I'll probably drive down in the next week or two and put them in myself. I like the idea of mailing them, but have a feeling I'd go down to visit her in November and they'd still be sitting in the Amazon box on the kitchen counter. Kids can be really smart about some things, but are terrible at estimating risk. --108.52.xxx.xxx




Sorta OT: No Smoke Alarms (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Sep 10, 2025 8:04 PM
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Mail them, tell her to install them. She can at least pull the tab and activate them.

That's better than nothing and you won't wake up from a deep sleep worrying about no detectors. --47.248.xxx.xxx





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