tariffs (by 6x6 [TN]) Aug 13, 2025 8:14 AM
tariffs (by Marv [IL]) Aug 13, 2025 8:40 AM
tariffs (by zero [IN]) Aug 13, 2025 9:05 AM
tariffs (by Deanna [TX]) Aug 13, 2025 9:48 AM
tariffs (by DnP [PA]) Aug 13, 2025 10:03 AM
tariffs (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Aug 13, 2025 10:21 AM
tariffs (by RB [TN]) Aug 13, 2025 10:39 AM
tariffs (by JS [CA]) Aug 13, 2025 10:42 AM
tariffs (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Aug 13, 2025 12:56 PM
tariffs (by Robert J [CA]) Aug 13, 2025 1:39 PM
tariffs (by Marv [IL]) Aug 13, 2025 3:19 PM
tariffs (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Aug 13, 2025 10:31 PM
tariffs (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Aug 14, 2025 7:22 AM
tariffs (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Aug 14, 2025 9:11 PM
tariffs (by zero [IN]) Aug 15, 2025 8:16 AM
tariffs (by Marv [IL]) Aug 15, 2025 8:49 AM
tariffs (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Aug 15, 2025 1:11 PM
tariffs (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Aug 15, 2025 1:12 PM
tariffs (by zero [IN]) Aug 15, 2025 5:25 PM
tariffs (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Aug 15, 2025 5:58 PM
tariffs (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Aug 13, 2025 8:14 AM Message:
In other post there have been talks of tariffs and it seems that there is a lot of tension in the air about them and our neighbors to the north are quite upset. I don't really know enough about it but it prompts a question to me.
Why were tariffs ever started in the first place?
It seems rather pointless. I mean, the grocery stores started doing discount cards all because one store started it and now they all do it. It is ridiculous, especially at this point. Why not just offer the groceries to everyone at the same price that is reasonable, like it used to be? One greedy person started this idea, everyone followed suite, and now it is pointless. Are the tariffs not the same way?
What am I not understanding?
--73.19.xxx.xx |
tariffs (by Marv [IL]) Posted on: Aug 13, 2025 8:40 AM Message:
They were started to protect our industries. When we build something and charge a reasonable price everything is fine.
When another country uses government subsidies to make a similar product and imports it to our country, we impose a tariff (tax) on their goods to level the ground.
IMHO when a country imposes tariffs to try and change a trade imbalance, it doesn't work so well.
--98.34.xx.xxx |
tariffs (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Aug 13, 2025 9:05 AM Message:
Tariffs and grocery store ads are not the same thing.
In my opinion they are somewhat like unions. They started out being needed and did a good job. But then they morphed into something that possibly hurts the consumer at times.
What I am seeing are good things but now more politically motivated tariffs have crept in. --107.147.xx.xx |
tariffs (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Aug 13, 2025 9:48 AM Message:
re: why were tariffs started in the first place?
Random fact: Before income tax became a thing (ie, in that Revolutionary War - WWI time period), tariffs accounted for anywhere from 50% to 90% of federal income. Since the 50's, though, they've usually been less than 2% of federal income.
The postwar General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) was a strategy to minimize international barriers to trade in an effort to encourage post-war recovery. It was later succeeded by the World Trade Organization (WTO), which helps developing nations enter the trade stage. (Two-thirds of their membership are developing countries.) Then you also have other things, like the Canada-US Free Trade Agreement (1989), NAFTA (1994-2020), and the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (signed in 2018, took effect in 2020) which abolished a lot of the historic tariffs in North American trade.
So going back to using sweeping tariffs as a policy tool is a strategy that hasn't been relied upon extensively for quite a while. However, tariffs have been used to protect specific industries--- if we remember the automotive and steel tariffs from the 80's-90's-00's-nowadays. Just last year, there were new tariffs being implemented for aluminum, medical equipment, li-ion vehicle batteries, and solar panels from China. Etc.
But, if you look beyond the noise, it's a version of an ordinary bargaining technique. You come to the table and ask for something unrealistic right off the bat-- and then you have back-and-forth and find your common ground closer to where you actually came to the table wanting to end up. And so you're happy because you got what you actually wanted, and they're happy because they got you to come down from an unrealistic starting point.
So, in this particular case, the starting point wasn't, "Let's increase our federal income through tariffs", but the starting point was, "Let me use something dramatic to get your attention so we can communicate about what I really want you to work on." --137.118.xx.xxx |
tariffs (by DnP [PA]) Posted on: Aug 13, 2025 10:03 AM Message:
Who pays for the tariffs? --71.58.xxx.xxx |
tariffs (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Aug 13, 2025 10:21 AM Message:
There is nothing new about tariffs. Think of it as a sort of sales tax on goods that are imported into and sold in America.
Other counties have always charged tariffs on American goods, often really high tariffs intended to keep American goods out of their country to protect their own industries.
America has always charged no or low tariffs on foreign goods. Countries with low labor costs and no environmental laws can produce goods cheaper. They sell those in America cheaper than things can be manufactured here and they have put American industry out of business.
So now the playing field is being leveled a bit. How much, we won't know until all the negotiating is finished. --76.178.xxx.xxx |
tariffs (by RB [TN]) Posted on: Aug 13, 2025 10:39 AM Message:
Because ya don't understand, doesn't make it wrong. --204.10.xxx.xx |
tariffs (by JS [CA]) Posted on: Aug 13, 2025 10:42 AM Message:
It’s always the consumer/buyer that pays for the tariffs.
You may punish the country the tariffs are imposed upon because the higher cost means lower sales. --162.204.xxx.xxx |
tariffs (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Aug 13, 2025 12:56 PM Message:
Tariff warfare is not going force us to become the 51st. state where we fought back. The wages in Canada are higher than the Us. Bourbon, wine, whisky and beer was taken off the shelves in Canada where now you can not buy. The F35 and military procurement is over with the Us where now it is the EU and other countries as we meet 2% GNP. Canadians are selling houses in the Us than never coming along with not traveling to the Us where in Florida ICE overheard two Canadians specking in French where detained, arrested then deported. At the grocery if does not have the maple leaf it rots on the shelves where Mexico we buy. In Alberta G7 we made free trade deals with other countries where DJT left. There is going to a energy corridor where oil, gas and hydro electricity is east west and other way not north south. The border cities are really feeling the effects of this where now tax revenue is down. This country is not in recession where holding the line as now trading with the rest of the world. In Quebec they built new aluminium plants where the Eu is going to buy aluminium made with green energy. In Canada the steel plants are using electricity for process. The premiers meeting all provincial trade barriers were removed where goods and labour moves across the country. Steel beams and pipes for oil are going to made here. Central and south America direct trade with Canada where those countries are boycotting Us products. The money from the tariffs may wind up with the billionaires. Many states depend on Canada as the number export country. Oil going to Us is below the world price until the pipelines are built then once the grid is built the hydro electricity to the Us will end where New York City will have find other sources. In the Us with tourism decline and inflation there is job loss along with a greater trade deficient as the world is boycotting Us products. Automotive is going down as the costs of materials has gone up. The Us in the future maybe in second place as the economy declines. In Canada there is universal medical care where no matter economic status you do not pay for surgery, diagnostic or doctors visits where prescription drugs cost about 1/3 to 1/2 in the Us. Doctors decide what is necessary where do not have to fight with insurance companies. DJT said Canada is a mean and nasty nation as we fought back as our country is not for sale where we close down industry here then give away resources. The tariffs will dropped where like in the first term as counter tariffs were applied. Are relationship with Us has change forever where this country has brought people together coast to coast. We do not dump goods here where have fair trade. --216.110.xxx.xxx |
tariffs (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Aug 13, 2025 1:39 PM Message:
Because if the ICE round ups of illegal Mexicans AND the Tariffs, the Mayor has a new silent rule:
All printed things presented to worker/employees, MUST BE IN SPANISH! The new rule does not address English! If I hand out a safety pamphlet to a worker, it must be in Spanish.
SO I delivered pamphlets to my workers in English, Hebrew, German, French, Russian and Latin. I was Going to be fined $100 for not offering it in Spanish also. But on the back side of all pamphlets was a Spanish Version. So I sent a letter to all City Worker under the Mayors new directive: Learn how to read, it states on the front page they need to review information on the reverse side. --47.155.xx.xxx |
tariffs (by Marv [IL]) Posted on: Aug 13, 2025 3:19 PM Message:
To Robert in Ontario - My apologies for all the trouble we have caused you this year. President Trump blames it all on drug trafficking. I don't know how much fentanyl travels across your borders but I do know this is the responsibility of our customs agents to stop this flow.
Last year I considered Canadians and Americans good friends. I hope sometime soon that relationship can be re-started. --98.34.xx.xxx |
tariffs (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Aug 13, 2025 10:31 PM Message:
The Canadian premiers and Us governors get along very well where they know each other on first name along came here for hockey games. Where some governors said this poisoning relations with closest trading partner. Canadian premiers had many discussions with GOP representatives where privately they no sense with the tariffs where publicly they will say nothing. The Canadian premiers get along with the governors regardless of what party they are from as they see the damage done to economy. The amount of fentanyl that crosses the border is very small where fentanyl has caused problems here where after first meeting they tightened all borders to cut down on illegal crossings and drug trade of any kind. In Canada they have the federal police called the RCMP where have jurisdiction in every province. Ontario and Quebec are the two provinces that have provincial police. Every once in while there is major drug bust here as the police are working to put criminals behind bars and seize the illegal guns which are tools of violence . DJT lies about everything where he says we are ripping off the Us where DJT signed the CUSMA trade deal. The population of the entire country is around 40 million where it is not realistic to close down automotive production and all other factories to leave here. We import 1.5 million vehicles from the Us. The tariffs are causing hardship for Americans as unemployment along inflation is increasing. There is about a 30 billion trade deficient with Us where once you bring in services that goes down. When the GOP stands enough is enough then takes control of the House and Senate that should be passed by Congress. Free trade was meant to make products cost less along improve both economies by having one factory make more products more efficiently. The governor of the state of ill. stated many times about the tariffs. So in the end it is not the American people where it is like family but one man. --216.110.xxx.xxx |
tariffs (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2025 7:22 AM Message:
In the end, the end customers pays for these tariffs. So how much is it going to end up costing us end users? There is a lot of uncertainty on how much these tariffs will try and pull already thin profit margins and family budgets.
Do tariffs make sense against nations who largely base their currency on the US dollar is at best questionable.
The principle behind tariffs and protectant doctrine is clear, but these have proven not to have much staying power. So is it worth while to invest those billions of dollars in a new factor in one location over another? Their just seems to be so much confusion and wait and see in the market place --67.140.xx.xxx |
tariffs (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Aug 14, 2025 9:11 PM Message:
Within six months they will drop the tariffs. As the by elections continue the GOP is losing seats where the other party will take control of the House and Senate. The problem is No health care for workers, Low education standard which is necessary to build a modern factory with automation. Coal fired power along with a slow transportation system where in the Eu they use containers pulled by electric locomotives. --216.110.xxx.xxx |
tariffs (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Aug 15, 2025 8:16 AM Message:
I am pretty sure that our diesel trains have electric engines. The diesel is just used to get the electric motors up to speed.
We still have healthcare for workers and everybody else. It just costs us out of pocket when we need it, instead of paying taxes toward it all the time.
Also I think we have some brilliant people in this country. Sure we have lowlifes as well, but with the number of people being so high that is to be expected, unfortunately.
Guess we will see in six months if our economy collapses because we just aren't good enough. --107.147.xx.xx |
tariffs (by Marv [IL]) Posted on: Aug 15, 2025 8:49 AM Message:
zero-
"we have some brilliant people in this country". One of our problems is that we are loosing some of our best scientists. When the administration takes away grant money and other countries are hiring our best scientists away from us with promises of large amounts of grant money we will lose most of your best researchers. --98.34.xx.xxx |
tariffs (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Aug 15, 2025 1:11 PM Message:
Diesel locomotives have a generator motor where diesel is used where a electric locomotive.has a set down transformer than a inverter where use three phase traction motors. The difference here is electric is more powerful along get accelerate faster along with green energy is used to reduce green house gases. Healthcare is paid by higher taxes where no matter economic status you are covered where the life expectancy is longer than countries which have no healthcare. Tax breaks for billionaires where no money is being invested back into the economy where China is moving ahead while other countries fall. Germany for example has a industrial policy where free education paid by taxes and public and private healthcare that pays not deny. In a modern factory is automated where you require highly skilled people to operate. High speed rail for passenger and freight is more efficient where high speed rail takes less time than a domestic flights. DJT thinks we are going accept tariffs while we are applying counter tariffs which is going bring back industry where no industrial policy is the problem. Every country has people who are on social assistance where workfare cuts that down like what is happening in Germany. In Canada we gaining Us doctors where it is easy to do so. For a doctors here they decide what is required for medication, specialist doctors, diagnostic procedures then twice a month they get a cheque from provincial government. No hassle with insurance companies who to deny coverage. A country can not borrow while a economy declines where needs to be a minimum tax to reduce borrowing. Sooner or later Congress is to govern the Us not one man who lies about everything where every month the economy is on the decline. Nixon said the economy is important where he was fired for a lot less than DJT. Now today Putin is going to make a fool where ceasefire is not stop future invasion. Ukraine is not give land to the brutal occupier. As Russia runs out resources where the North Koreans and Chinese solders along with losing tanks the war will come to end when Russia goes bankrupt where the war has come to Russia where oil refineries are being blown up and military factories becoming ruble. Simple Putin gives back all the land they occupied then war is over or Russia goes bankrupt than Putin is out.
--216.110.xxx.xxx |
tariffs (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Aug 15, 2025 1:12 PM Message:
Diesel locomotives have a generator motor where diesel is used where a electric locomotive.has a set down transformer than a inverter where use three phase traction motors. The difference here is electric is more powerful along get accelerate faster along with green energy is used to reduce green house gases. Healthcare is paid by higher taxes where no matter economic status you are covered where the life expectancy is longer than countries which have no healthcare. Tax breaks for billionaires where no money is being invested back into the economy where China is moving ahead while other countries fall. Germany for example has a industrial policy where free education paid by taxes and public and private healthcare that pays not deny. In a modern factory is automated where you require highly skilled people to operate. High speed rail for passenger and freight is more efficient where high speed rail takes less time than a domestic flights. DJT thinks we are going accept tariffs while we are applying counter tariffs which is going bring back industry where no industrial policy is the problem. Every country has people who are on social assistance where workfare cuts that down like what is happening in Germany. In Canada we gaining Us doctors where it is easy to do so. For a doctors here they decide what is required for medication, specialist doctors, diagnostic procedures then twice a month they get a cheque from provincial government. No hassle with insurance companies who to deny coverage. A country can not borrow while a economy declines where needs to be a minimum tax to reduce borrowing. Sooner or later Congress is to govern the Us not one man who lies about everything where every month the economy is on the decline. Nixon said the economy is important where he was fired for a lot less than DJT. Now today Putin is going to make a fool where ceasefire is not stop future invasion. Ukraine is not give land to the brutal occupier. As Russia runs out resources where the North Koreans and Chinese solders along with losing tanks the war will come to end when Russia goes bankrupt where the war has come to Russia where oil refineries are being blown up and military factories becoming ruble. Simple Putin gives back all the land they occupied then war is over or Russia goes bankrupt than Putin is out.
--216.110.xxx.xxx |
tariffs (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Aug 15, 2025 5:25 PM Message:
Wow, you are going all out on this political tirade.
Please take the weekend off from viewing political news. I think you need a bit of a break.
Not saying this to be rude. Just worrying about a fellow landlord. --107.147.xx.xx |
tariffs (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Aug 15, 2025 5:58 PM Message:
I am just replying to the subject where we see the different point of view. The economy effects all landlords in North America as the cost of things causes the economy to contract. Once changes are made where they decide to get of the problem people things will move ahead. I always reply to the everyday problems that landlords face where some jurisdictions landlords operate in a hostile environment. We all know that those jurisdictions those policies do not work and never will. Where in the end tenants pay higher rents along with a lower quality of rental units. In a free market economy you have to earn ones business where tenants can pay market along with live in nice rental unit or house. --216.110.xxx.xxx |
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