Catastrophe (by Robin [WI]) Aug 10, 2025 2:16 PM
Catastrophe (by WMH [NC]) Aug 10, 2025 2:32 PM
Catastrophe (by ned [AL]) Aug 10, 2025 2:33 PM
Catastrophe (by Deanna [TX]) Aug 10, 2025 2:36 PM
Catastrophe (by NE [PA]) Aug 10, 2025 2:39 PM
Catastrophe (by MikeA [TX]) Aug 10, 2025 3:33 PM
Catastrophe (by DJ [VA]) Aug 10, 2025 4:06 PM
Catastrophe (by 6x6 [TN]) Aug 10, 2025 4:43 PM
Catastrophe (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Aug 10, 2025 4:46 PM
Catastrophe (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Aug 10, 2025 4:49 PM
Catastrophe (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Aug 11, 2025 1:08 AM
Catastrophe (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Aug 11, 2025 6:50 AM
Catastrophe (by zero [IN]) Aug 11, 2025 9:49 AM
Catastrophe (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Aug 12, 2025 2:43 AM
Catastrophe (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Aug 12, 2025 2:46 AM
Catastrophe (by 6x6 [TN]) Aug 12, 2025 8:00 AM
Catastrophe (by zero [IN]) Aug 12, 2025 8:18 AM
Catastrophe (by WMH [NC]) Aug 12, 2025 9:26 AM
Catastrophe (by Busy [WI]) Aug 12, 2025 9:42 AM
Catastrophe (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Aug 12, 2025 10:30 AM
Catastrophe (by GKARL [PA]) Aug 12, 2025 3:57 PM
Catastrophe (by WMH [NC]) Aug 12, 2025 4:03 PM
Catastrophe (by plenty [MO]) Aug 12, 2025 4:42 PM
Catastrophe (by GKARL [PA]) Aug 12, 2025 5:12 PM
Catastrophe (by zero [IN]) Aug 13, 2025 7:44 AM
Catastrophe (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: Aug 10, 2025 2:16 PM Message:
There has been some talk on here about insurance and cash reserves. I thought we were in pretty good shape. All of our roofs are newer, but we still kept enough set aside for two roofs, a couple of furnaces and a water heater or two. What could happen that we weren't ready for?
Ten inches of rain in a few hours, that's what. All but one of our properties flooded. We have two collapsed basement walls in one. And no flood insurance, because we're nowhere near a floodplain.
I'm hoping we can get the house shored up before major structural damage occurs. Of course nobody is open on a Sunday. We'll deal with it, but it will be a lean year. If you're operating on a shoestring budget, might want to make sure you have something in reserve for the unimaginable. It happens.
--104.230.xxx.xxx |
Catastrophe (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Aug 10, 2025 2:32 PM Message:
Oh Robin so sorry! You just never know what natural disaster is around the corner...I understand the no flood insurance: I mean, the mountains of western NC flooded last year and no one had flood insurance because no one expects it to flood in the mountains.
Keep in mind there are floods, though, and then there are floods, and insurance defines damages differently.
Don't be too quick to say your properties simply flooded - which means water rose. There is also WIND-DRIVEN flooding, which is different. There is also flooding that happens from building damage, like through a roof - all different in insurance coverage.
Contact an adjuster!
We never expected our insurance to cover our hut collapse. Never. And they did. --173.28.xx.xxx |
Catastrophe (by ned [AL]) Posted on: Aug 10, 2025 2:33 PM Message:
Thank you for the reminder of the importance of cash reserves. --199.36.xxx.xxx |
Catastrophe (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Aug 10, 2025 2:36 PM Message:
I'm so sorry to hear. I read about the flooding earlier today. Please let us know how everything develops. Flooding is scary. --172.58.xxx.xx |
Catastrophe (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Aug 10, 2025 2:39 PM Message:
There’s no such thing as “prepared”. --24.152.xxx.xx |
Catastrophe (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Aug 10, 2025 3:33 PM Message:
I feel for you. It must be tough dealing with multiple issues at once. I hope all works out in the next few days.
I'm glad you at least have somewhat of a cushion to start from. That would be even more horrendous if you had no cash on hand, bank loans and credit cards maxed out, and paper-thin cash flows. --209.205.xxx.xx |
Catastrophe (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Aug 10, 2025 4:06 PM Message:
So sorry this happened!
Hoping for the best, smoothest recovery possible. --72.218.xx.xxx |
Catastrophe (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Aug 10, 2025 4:43 PM Message:
Thank you for the lesson.
Hope all works out well. --73.19.xxx.xx |
Catastrophe (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Aug 10, 2025 4:46 PM Message:
Climate change is causing more severe weather where India and some other nations are accelerating climate change. Many in the Us are blaming us for the forest fires where hot dry conditions where a lighting strike then there is forest fire. The Eu is moving to green energy where soon this country will consider to stop exporting hydro electric south. A energy corridor for hydro electricity, oil and natural gas along with the EU wants aluminium for industry and defense. The world is changing where there is going to be nations that will trade with free trade. Using coal power for aluminium is too expensive where can not compete. India is a facing a very serious problem with climate change along with very high levels of pollution where absolutely nothing is being done. Here the steel plants are already using electricity for steel production where when you cross the sky way bridge you see the difference. In the meantime floods, tornado conditions and forest fires are going to be more common where they are saying drill more oil and use coal. This summer never outside temperatures reach 35 degrees Celsius where body temperature is 39 degrees Celsius. --216.110.xxx.xxx |
Catastrophe (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: Aug 10, 2025 4:49 PM Message:
Robert, Don't agree with you. We've had "severe" weather for thousands of years. Even before spray cans and the internal combustion engine. I don't belive in "man made" climate change unless we are talking about communist countries trying to control weather as a weapon. --64.246.xxx.xx |
Catastrophe (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Aug 11, 2025 1:08 AM Message:
Severe weather yes but over my lifetime during the winter there were severe blizzards where everything was shut down for three days when snow was cleared. Now winters are warmer along with less snow where some times it does not snow until January. This month there was record high temperatures never has been like this before where now 30 plus degrees Celsius is here. The oil coal industry wants to deny this as weather warms up there are severe weather events like wild fires, severe storms with tornados and excessive rain fall which causes floods while some nations want to accelerate climate change. Some are more concerned about lining their pockets than making change to reduce green house gasses which acts as insulator traps heat. China has reduced oil imports as the transition continues to EV along with solar panels, wind turbines. A industrial revolution is automation where will require doubling the amount of power generation. Of course the oil industry wants to ban EV and other environmental improvements. Soon the polar caps will melt where the coast line of many countries is going to get smaller. --216.110.xxx.xxx |
Catastrophe (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Aug 11, 2025 6:50 AM Message:
Robert - Climatology is based on history of weather where meteorology is based on current weather conditions.
Down here we hear lots of Climate Change talk. Daaaahhhhh. You mean as we go along, history changes. Say it isn't so.
Focusing on Climate without getting meteorology better is a great cop out. After all what exactly does "mostly to partly with occasion" mean anyway --67.140.xx.xxx |
Catastrophe (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Aug 11, 2025 9:49 AM Message:
Robin, sorry to hear that this happened to you.
One or two emergencies is a headache. I can only imagine what you are going through.
Have you talked to your insurance agent yet? --107.147.xx.xx |
Catastrophe (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2025 2:43 AM Message:
Robin,
YIKES! Our major flood (600 homes, several of mine) was 20 years ago but seems like yesterday.
Like WMH said flood insurance does not always cover. One of ours was the basement floor drain was a fountain - "plumbing issue, not a flood" another the water broke the basement window and rushed in. Again, a "drainage issue", not a flood.
My tips from experience: Open up every wall 4 feet. The water soaked up inside the drywall so just cut it so a full sheet goes back easily.
The Red Cross promoted the "Katrina Blend" (as in New Orleans flood) Spic N Span, bleach, water. Wash everything sown with that.
"Fast moving air" (commercial fans) will actually dry out the studs DRIER than when new.
Red Cross advised to not close up any wet area for 2 weeks AFTER dry.
We tried to clean and repair furnaces and WHs, but would up replacing them soon after.
Be SUPER careful! Things with motors like clothes washer or old wiring / sockets were shorted out from the wetness,
The mud and water are TOXIC. EVERY chemical, mud, manure, oil, Roundup, farm fertilizer, dumpster, trashcan, and contaminant in the city. Oddly, different neighborhoods had different odors.
Buy the 4200 PSI pressure washer. ($800 at Lowes or HF) The extra power will save you lots of time.
Use POOL SHOCK from (Rural King) and a full face chemical breather mask. It's bleach times 100.
Mold sets in about 4 days from the flood to gotta open up the walls quickly.
Be ruthless. If it got wet it goes.
Once dry, use a moisture meter in a photo and spray ($399 sprayer) the open areas with WHITE ZinsserBIN to show it was professionally sealed. You need photos prove you REMEDIATED the home when you go to rent or sell it.
Your buyer might not be able to get insurance on a previously flooded home with it.
Housing will be scarce so we got them rented the day they were ready.
The LL Assoc (me! and a few others) talked to the judge and we agreed leases and rent were still in effect if the water did not enter the LIVING SPACE. A wet basement did not end a lease.
The flood impacted the underground spaces that water uses so we had water problems in driveways, foundations, crawls, and basements after the flood that were never a problem previously.
Believe it or not, we had no problem renting the homes that had 6 feet of water inside, and each year fewer and fewer prospects were concerned. Realtors said 4 years later no one remembered!! Back to normal.
You guys are strong - you'll get thru this!
BRAD
--68.45.xxx.xxx |
Catastrophe (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2025 2:46 AM Message:
Our flood made me realize God's total power. He took two hydrogen atoms, one oxygen atom, two simple things, added gravity and laid His unstoppable will on the land.
BRAD --68.45.xxx.xxx |
Catastrophe (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2025 8:00 AM Message:
Great list, Brad --73.19.xxx.xx |
Catastrophe (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2025 8:18 AM Message:
I just bought another five gallon pail of B-I-N last week.
$318 plus tax.
Good stuff that they are sure proud of.
I am currently using it in my recent smelly rehab. As soon as I get the last of the smell gone from downstairs I will seal all of it up as well. --107.147.xx.xx |
Catastrophe (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2025 9:26 AM Message:
Great list and so agree with if it got wet, get rid of it. And get the drywall out now now now before it leeches up to the stuff that stayed dry. --173.28.xx.xxx |
Catastrophe (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2025 9:42 AM Message:
Excellent list, Brad.
My skin is sensitive to Spic ' n Span, so I use Simple Green, bleach and water. And No Dip Backs! That is: clean rags go in the clean soap/ bleach/ water mixture, get lightly rung out, used to wash, then tossed in the discard bucket. And, because I don't want to dip dirty hands in the clean soapy bucket, I dip and wring out a whole bucket full of clean rags at a time. When I need more wash rags, I rinse off my hands first, so only clean hands and clean rags go in the soapy mixture. The discard rags all get washed in the washer , three times, then dried on high heat. I figure that should remove or kill all the nastiness.
More thunderstorms this morning. Ugh! The trickle of water in my basement hadn't stopped as of last evening. So far, only one of my four rentals got water, but wasn't enough to cover the whole floor. Two of my basements had the very expensive ( *all things basementy*) repairs fairly recently. But, I'll be paying off those repairs for a long time. So, expensive either way.
Robert in Ontario, the very biggest thing, as far as I see it, that is missing from all of these Paris accord/ climate change ' experts' is the MOST important role that plants and animals play in our ecosystem. Sure, sure, burning old solar energy releases more carbon than using new solar energy. BUT, the biggest release of carbon is taking areas that were once covered with layer upon layer of vegetation, and diverse species of animals, including predators which keep the herbivores bunched and moving, and replacing all of that with useless mown lawn. Now, I'm not so sure I want ALL of the predators back in my neighborhood ( kinda glad the two species of rattlesnake that used to be here are extirpated. Not so sure I'd want mountain lions or wolves right in my neighborhood either. But, hawks, garter snakes, coyotes, fine. So, Robert, plant layers of plants, from large canopy trees, down through the smallest mosses. Leave the leaves in the fall. Reduce the lawn areas to only what is used for play spaces. Build a stumpery, pile some rocks for critters to nest. Even at my rentals, I am doing these things. My tenants are accepting it, and even some neighbors are joining in. All those plant have roots, deep, deep roots that store carbon back into the soils. After a few years of leaving the leaves, planting more plants, especially shrubs and prairie grasses or other deep rooted plants, you'll notice the soil has changed color to a deep, dark hue. That's carbon black, baby! Get that carbon back in the soil where it belongs. Lawn grass, with its puny roots just doesn't do it.
Robin, wishing you a speedy recovery from this mess. Here's hoping this morning's event didn't leave either of us, or anyone else, with more damage.
Robert, go plant a ninebark bush, Physiocarpus species. Thirty foot deep roots on that baby! Should be some native to your area. Better yet, plant a whole hedgerow of them! --72.135.xxx.xx |
Catastrophe (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2025 10:30 AM Message:
Can you apply for a EDIL loan through the SBA? --67.140.xx.xxx |
Catastrophe (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2025 3:57 PM Message:
A month ago there were some serious flash floods in my area and in NY and northern NJ. Few have flood insurance mainly because they weren't in a flood zone and not expecting floods. Who could have guessed sewers getting overwhelmed?
This is a reminder to add flood insurance. Should be inexpensive given that I'm not in a flood zone.
--23.28.xx.xx |
Catastrophe (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2025 4:03 PM Message:
We have to buy WIND insurance separately here. So Dwelling (basically Fire) and Wind and Flood - 3 policies - if we want full coverage. We roll the dice and think Wind is a given someday, where we might miss having a flood given half a chance. --72.82.xx.xx |
Catastrophe (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2025 4:42 PM Message:
Gosh this is terrible and unexpected. I saw on the news the rushing water going thru town. Sorry you having to deal with this. --172.59.xxx.xxx |
Catastrophe (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Aug 12, 2025 5:12 PM Message:
I need to check into whether I need a separate wind insurance policy. I'm paying a lot for insurance as it is. --172.58.xxx.xxx |
Catastrophe (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Aug 13, 2025 7:44 AM Message:
That's where you get dinged.
I know a few people that self insure. One major event and they are okay. Something like what happened to Robin and they are out of it.
But then what happens when you over insure? All that money spent with no returns at all.
It is a slippery, and scary, slope for me. --107.147.xx.xx |
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