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Business mixed w/ Charity (by elliot [RI]) Jul 11, 2025 2:12 PM
       Business mixed w/ Charity (by plenty [MO]) Jul 11, 2025 2:38 PM
       Business mixed w/ Charity (by RB [TN]) Jul 11, 2025 4:25 PM
       Business mixed w/ Charity (by Richard [MI]) Jul 11, 2025 4:39 PM
       Business mixed w/ Charity (by 6x6 [TN]) Jul 11, 2025 5:42 PM
       Business mixed w/ Charity (by MikeA [TX]) Jul 11, 2025 9:27 PM
       Business mixed w/ Charity (by Bonanza [NC]) Jul 12, 2025 7:42 AM
       Business mixed w/ Charity (by Robin [WI]) Jul 12, 2025 9:34 AM
       Business mixed w/ Charity (by Elliot [RI]) Jul 12, 2025 4:38 PM
       Business mixed w/ Charity (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Jul 13, 2025 8:32 AM


Business mixed w/ Charity (by elliot [RI]) Posted on: Jul 11, 2025 2:12 PM
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My struggle as a for-profit real estate investor/landlord vs. for-charity believer continues.. Here is one of my stories,

About 10 years ago, this fellow LH moved in with my section 8 tenant CL. He was looking for handyman jobs and I happened to have a unit in the same place that needed to be painted and cleaned. He proposed a price, I accepted and it worked out for everyone. That started our relationship.

Throughout the first couple years, he did many turnover jobs for me and it worked well for everyone. CL's adult son didn't report income and she couldn't pay back to PHA whatever she owed, her voucher was terminated and I had to evict her. That eventually led to this struggle of mine.

I was greedy and couldn't let go off his service. (cheap/fast/good) I put him in a finished basement I had and he moved her in. I turned a blind eye, everything worked fine.

At the same time, my marriage suffered and I temporarily moved into one of my apartments. One self claimed believer smelled blood and found her new target. I was gullible and ignorant, managed to let her into my life. Nothing sexual, but grossly inappropriate, I will shake my head the rest of my life for what I did wrongly. I introduced her to LH since they were from the same region. LH suffered a stroke and was hospitalized. She arranged the hospital visits and convinced me that it is a noble thing to do to let LH move into one of my units after he was discharged from the hospital. (Hospital won't let him back into that illegal basement apartment)

He largely recovered and was able to continue to do some work for me in exchange for his staying. His companion CL moved in with him. That was around 2019-2020 period. Before, during and after COVID, I sold half of my portfolio, paid off all debts and achieved true financial freedom. Maybe due to aging, his qualify of service deteriorated and I decided to ease out relying on him to do turnovers.

All the years he lived rent/utility/cell phone bill free till I was contemplating to sell this place. It's a small commercial building, valuation is hinged on the rents. Plus I am rebuilding my relationship with wife and family, wife reminded me that this has to end. I was also concerned about his cancer-survival-flailed-aging companion. I have no means of dealing with this situation.

After a mortgage broker did initial valuation, I decided to set a rent and start to charge him. The rent was below the market level, on paper, he pays utilities, in reality, I still carried. Between the 2 SSI incomes they should be able to afford it, however he has been behind ever since I started the lease 6 months ago. I helped him applying for senior housing a couple of years ago but the wait is long. We went through eviction court, in hope that this help him, but it didn't.

At this point, I was actively pushing him to find other affordable basement apartments in the area. All excuses aside, he claimed that he lost 2 leads and agreed to be out even with no prospect of a living arrangement. It bothers me because I am pushing him to be homeless, at the same time, there are so many homeless people out there whom I have no business in helping them (to justify my guilty conscious).

I realized that I am struggling with LH's situation because I know him. He grew up in a Christian family, his father was a womanizer pastor, no judgement here, but he was not interested in going back to his faith. I even thought about willingly funding his life if he is serious about his faith. What was I thinking? I don't know.

I want to conclude by thanking you for reading this messy personal journey/struggle. My wife is 100 times smarter than me and always remind me not to mix business with charity. We donate to charities, but I am messing up business with charity here.

PS. LH called me that he was ready to pack up his backpack and leave. CL refused to leave, too fraile to leave. I advised him to call ambulance and let the state deal with her. I feel that I weaseled out.

PPS. If I didn't believe in anything other than this life, I wouldn't have any hesitation or struggle, but I do.

--24.124.xx.xxx




Business mixed w/ Charity (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Jul 11, 2025 2:38 PM
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Wow, well that's a lot. Lucky you have a spouse to lean on and is giving good advice. It's tough now but think ahead to selling the property and all those you will bless in the future. So many more waiting for your paths to cross. And remember this "all relationships end" ...all relationships end. This was just the time to end these. Makes room for the new. --172.59.xxx.xx




Business mixed w/ Charity (by RB [TN]) Posted on: Jul 11, 2025 4:25 PM
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Make an appointment to see Dr. Phil. --204.10.xxx.xx




Business mixed w/ Charity (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Jul 11, 2025 4:39 PM
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I've struggled with these type situations as well.Only the details are a little different.

What I've decided is that if I am going to give someone a free ride, it's better to rent to someone else at full price and then donate the net proceeds to a charity that handles these type situations. The charity deals with this all the time and have much more experience, contacts, etc.

I get a write off for the donation, don't have to lie to the govt and they get professional help, not my amateur help. --97.85.x.xx




Business mixed w/ Charity (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jul 11, 2025 5:42 PM
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Thank you for sharing, Elliot. Sometimes it's a good first step to talk about it. You seem like a great guy that has compassion for others. The thing is though; I have learned that that can come back to bite you. Reality is that they were given a tremendous opportunity to make improvements in their lives while not having to pay rent. Wither there is an afterlife or not, the end results are the same. If a person is left to fall, they learn better how to get up. You did nothing wrong in helping a fellow human, but there has to be some level of them helping themselves. You shouldn't feel guilty at all. Sounds like you learned a better way to serve the same purpose. Glad your back with your family. --73.19.xxx.xx




Business mixed w/ Charity (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Jul 11, 2025 9:27 PM
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" Between the 2 SSI incomes they should be able to afford it"

By your own admission they are causing their own problems. Christian charity is about giving a hand up not a hand out. You need to read Dobson book on tough love and you will see that sometimes when we think we are helping we are actually enabling someone to remain mired in their sin pattern. That isn't love. --216.158.xxx.xx




Business mixed w/ Charity (by Bonanza [NC]) Posted on: Jul 12, 2025 7:42 AM
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I don't have any useful advise. I think everyone has done things that they latter regretted for various reasons. "It seemed a good idea at the time"

You are grappling with being fair and the fact that life is not fair.

there are things in life that are hard with no easy solution. I think at the end of the day you have to do what is right for you and let the chips fall where they may.

it seems that you are making progress doing that and just struggling with the falling chips.

You are not their daddy. You don't have to keep them up.

--65.188.xxx.xxx




Business mixed w/ Charity (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: Jul 12, 2025 9:34 AM
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I too believe in a life after this one. I believe we are accountable for the choices we make. That is true for this couple as well.

You are feeling a lot of guilt. For what? You helped this couple for YEARS, and enabled them to live an unsustainable life. Two SSI incomes, paying no rent, and still nothing in savings to help them transition?? You have done far more than your Christian obligation to help them. Time for them to help themselves. --104.230.xxx.xxx




Business mixed w/ Charity (by Elliot [RI]) Posted on: Jul 12, 2025 4:38 PM
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Thanks for all the encouraging words.

After two years counseling , I learned a great deal about human behaviors and trauma theory as well as attachment theory.

The counselor recommended a couple of books by his friend Larry Crabb. Kind of speaking the struggling of being a Christian believer, highly recommended. I am writing down as a therapeutic way to find my closure. Thanks for reading. --108.147.xx.xx




Business mixed w/ Charity (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jul 13, 2025 8:32 AM
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As landlords we are leaders. We have core values and do what we do with a desired outcome in mind. In a perfect world, that path is ever so clear. The realty, this path that we follow isn't a straight line.

This can make this career path a challenging one at many different levels. --173.188.xx.xxx





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