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Biased Local Article-long (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Jul 5, 2025 10:54 AM
       Biased Local Article-long (by NE [PA]) Jul 5, 2025 11:02 AM
       Biased Local Article-long (by plenty [MO]) Jul 5, 2025 11:17 AM
       Biased Local Article-long (by Ken [NY]) Jul 5, 2025 11:34 AM
       Biased Local Article-long (by RB [TN]) Jul 5, 2025 11:47 AM
       Biased Local Article-long (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Jul 5, 2025 12:05 PM
       Biased Local Article-long (by Richard [MI]) Jul 5, 2025 2:21 PM
       Biased Local Article-long (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Jul 6, 2025 2:47 AM
       Biased Local Article-long (by Mapleaf18 [NY]) Jul 6, 2025 8:30 AM
       Biased Local Article-long (by 6x6 [TN]) Jul 6, 2025 2:07 PM
       Biased Local Article-long (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Jul 7, 2025 8:28 AM
       Biased Local Article-long (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Jul 7, 2025 11:04 AM
       Biased Local Article-long (by zero [IN]) Jul 7, 2025 4:34 PM
       Biased Local Article-long (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Jul 7, 2025 6:13 PM
       Biased Local Article-long (by zero [IN]) Jul 8, 2025 8:05 AM


Biased Local Article-long (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: Jul 5, 2025 10:54 AM
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From Finger Lakes Times:

WATERLOO — The Seneca County Board of Supervisors is exploring a law that would mandate those making an income from rental property keep them habitable.

The matter came up June 27 in the board’s committee meetings as a discussion item under Human Resources and Government Operations. The creation of a law remains preliminary, but supervisors thought it was worth pursuing. Tyre Town Supervisor Elizabeth Partee pronounced it “a great idea.”

While supervisors said they would like to think that the majority of people who rent property in Seneca County are good landlords, they know that is not the case for all.

“The basic idea (of creating a law) is to encourage landlords to provide the best possible living conditions for tenants with a ‘carrot and stick’ approach that ties responsible health and safety standards with robust enforcement,” Fayette Town Supervisor Jeff Trout explained after the meeting.

Trout said the committee, headed by Ovid Town Supervisor Joe Borst, has asked Lee Earp, director of the county’s Code Enforcement Department, and County Attorney Art James to explore models of similar legislation from other municipalities.

In Fayette, Trout said there have been discussions on the placing mandates on owners of rental properties for many years. The topic was raised at a recent county housing strategy meeting as well.

In 2023, an extensive report on the availability and condition of housing in Seneca County noted a concern that while an owner-occupied home might be falling behind on maintenance and safety issues, when it comes to the same for rental property, it’s another matter.

“On the one hand, code enforcement officers might feel, rightly, that citing a homeowner who cannot afford to address an existing issue is morally challenging, even if ethically proper,” the report read. “ ... And the rental issues are more troubling. Landlords not properly maintaining rental units, in order to maximize profits, sends a signal to tenants that landlord profit over the safety of their homes takes precedent for local government.”

The report goes on to point out that “where a homeowner’s decision to not maintain and invest in their homes has direct financial impacts to them, including the loss of value or equity, which can impact nearby properties as well ... the failure to maintain a rental property by a landlord can actually be financially profitable as an increase in expenses reduces revenue, and hence profit. Therefore, there is a profit motive and incentive to defer or outright refuse to invest in a rental property.”

From the information that Earp and James gather, the law will take shape. What kinds of mandates and penalties, and how they will be enforced and collected, will have to be determined. At such an early point in the process, it’s premature to make those decisions, supervisors said.

One of the recommendations of the 2023 report is that the county increase code enforcement capacity and training. Another is creating fund mechanisms, “given that there are concerns that some property owners do not have the financial ability to address violations, Seneca should develop some form of low-income housing rehabilitation program, for both owners and landlords.”

The report gave an example from Erie County, which uses funding from the federal Department of Housing and Urban Development for a low-income homeowner rehab program and a low-income rental rehab program. The low-income homeowner program provides funding for necessary and standard maintenance for low-income owners. Owners qualify based on income and household size, using HUD income guidelines. The rental rehab program provides the same funding to landlords who have tenants who meet HUD low-income guidelines.

And, the housing stock itself is wanting, according to the study, which further places renters at a disadvantage, especially if they are poor.

From 2014 to March 1, 2023, 414 new single-family building permits were issued and three permits for two-family homes. Zero permits for 3+ unit structures were issued.

Vacancy decreased slightly but the number of units classified “other vacant,” often suggestive of abandonment and/or indicators of foreclosure, has increased from 466 to 995.

The percentage of renters who are cost burdened decreased from 59.2% to 43.5% over the last decade. However, 1,436 renters remain rent-burdened.

Based on data from the HUD and the National Housing Preservation Database, in 2023 there were fewer than 550 subsidized rental opportunities in Seneca County (447 housing choice vouchers and 85 project-based Section 8 units). Yet there were more than 1,100 Extremely Low Income and Very Low Income rental households — the typical target for subsidized rental programs — in the county that are cost-burdened. Thus, the inventory of subsidized rental opportunities in the county is less than half of what it needs to be

However, these opportunities have brought with them new stresses that are disproportionately affecting vulnerable populations, especially low-income renters, the study noted. There is a clear need for the county to take action to promote housing affordability and guard its people and housing stock against predatory speculation, especially if landlords allow their properties to fall below code.

“A lot of times these folks are exploited by landlords, and they are not savvy enough to know how file a lawsuit,” Trout said about the need for a countywide law.

--64.246.xxx.xx




Biased Local Article-long (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jul 5, 2025 11:02 AM
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I was just talking to a real estate broker the other day about something like this. She said one of the bigger landlords in the area stopped getting permission for things because he found that the fines cost about as much as the permits. These types of things as mud. Impossible to enforce and define correctly. They won’t to do it to homeowners, because they know homeowners will tell them to pound sand. What’s cheaper? The fine for noncompliance or the permitting, inspection, and labor and materials to do the unnecessary work that they’re going to force you to do? Also, if your properties are always in perfect condition, is there any reward for that? A discount on your taxes or anything? So again, how much is the fine? --24.152.xxx.xx




Biased Local Article-long (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Jul 5, 2025 11:17 AM
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Wow that is a really low number of permits issued for new builds.wow. everything there must be old and tenants can live hard in old properties. --172.59.xxx.xx




Biased Local Article-long (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jul 5, 2025 11:34 AM
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there is already laws concerning this stuff, just more pandering. i dont get permits generally, did get one recently because the house was condemned when i bought it so i knew going in i didnt have a choice but building inspector let me guys do everything plumbing electric and didnt give me a hard time --38.248.xx.xxx




Biased Local Article-long (by RB [TN]) Posted on: Jul 5, 2025 11:47 AM
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In most cases -

Tenant lifestyle issues create the most problems

coupled with mental health issues and not giving a

Rip Roar about moral values or abiding by a

lease agreement.

--204.10.xxx.xx




Biased Local Article-long (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: Jul 5, 2025 12:05 PM
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There is no such thing as the "Affordable Housing Crisis" ™ when you're tenant. Just more to a less expensive area as for the most part, you're completely mobile.

There's definitely a Quality Tenant Crisis though. --64.246.xxx.xx




Biased Local Article-long (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Jul 5, 2025 2:21 PM
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In my area there is a program like the one you describe in Erie County, a low income housing rehab program. When I asked about getting a roof patched I was told that 1.) they do not repair or patch roofs, only a complete replacement and 2.) I could only use their approved contractors and 3). The wait time might be "long".

Now this particular roof has maybe 300 square feet that needs replacement because it was partially done about 5 years ago. They just did not do one part of it at that time. So, 3 squares at maybe $200-$250 a square for a total of $750-maybe $1000. Instead they want the entire thing done about 20 squares for $10,000 or more.

It makes me wonder if they are getting "campaign contributions" or "selling art their kid painted" for thousands.

Needless to say, the roof now has a cheap patch on it but it still needs the 3 squares done. I'm not paying 10K for something that's only worth 1K. Not to mention that if the entire job was done the place would get an immediate reassessment and large property tax increase. --97.85.x.xx




Biased Local Article-long (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Jul 6, 2025 2:47 AM
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What is left out here is some of problems compared to owner occupied and rentals units is the amount of vandalism that tenants cause to the rental complex and rental units. On the one hand they blame the landlords where in the province of Ontario Canada it is illegal to charge a cleaning and damage deposit where the costs of vandalism must be passed onto tenants in higher rents. Take a completely trashed out rental unit or house where it can up to a month or more to bring back where the vacancy loss along sometimes thousands of dollars of damage means higher rents. A multi-residential building of seven units or more it takes four months rent just to pay property taxes. A luxury condominium owner pays the equivalent of one months rent. Most of the information is where they get information from government funded extreme left wing tenancy advocacy groups where some of chairs actually own their own houses. Move some squatters in then let them experience vandalism and rent arrears then see if they will evict those tenants. Make free housing and a free for all where see how the reactionary people will not be interested. --216.110.xxx.xxx




Biased Local Article-long (by Mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: Jul 6, 2025 8:30 AM
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Richard, it's a make work program for union scheme basically. --64.246.xxx.xx




Biased Local Article-long (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jul 6, 2025 2:07 PM
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Easier to ask forgiveness. --73.19.xxx.xx




Biased Local Article-long (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jul 7, 2025 8:28 AM
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Not doing a great job convincing outside capital to come into that county. I can't understand why anyone would want to continue to invest in any area that would further impede the flow of cash into an area.

Doesn't your state have an implied warranty of habituality already? --67.140.xx.xx




Biased Local Article-long (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Jul 7, 2025 11:04 AM
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Every jurisdiction has minimum building code standards where no missing or loose tiles where only have to install missing tiles where does not have to match. No bare plaster or drywall where just have to paint that area. In other words the rental house or rental house could be a slum yet still pass minimum building code standards. There are always two sides to a story where first of all those critics in life have nothing to show for as they have accomplished absolutely nothing. I bought a apartment building that was completely hollowed by tenants who keep appealing rent increases where applied for a conditional order which meant once the repairs and renovations were completed rent appeals came to end. The first above rent increase was 20.45 per cent where they lost the rent appeal. It is not fair that tenants have to pay rent increases for repairs and renovations. Really not the reactionary tenancy advocates are going to pay. I had four rental units with the building inspector plus some other issues where fixed all those issues plus repaired and renovated the entire apartment building where replaced all tiles in laundry room and fresh coat of paint plus the same for the hallways. One January had 5 rental vacant where some bought houses and landlord moved back to his own place. One ad all the rental units were rented then never had a complaint about rent. So in end more stringent building codes higher rent or building is torn down or house is sold to become owner occupied then tenants have problems finding rental units. The reactionary tenancy advocates own houses along no bank is going to take reverse equity on a rental building. --216.110.xxx.xxx




Biased Local Article-long (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Jul 7, 2025 4:34 PM
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Robert, how many doors do you have?

Small time here with 20.

Just in the middle of 4 empties at one time. Fortunately looks like the first two are filled fast like. One will be empty at end of month and need a little work but the last one is a mess.

Tenant that was with us almost 8 years. Back when I let people get away with stuff that I no longer allow. --107.147.xx.xx




Biased Local Article-long (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Jul 7, 2025 6:13 PM
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After the large above guideline rent increase those five rental units where rented out by February as they were renovated. Even with the above guideline rent increases there were at $200 below other comparable rental units. A revolution is where what others failed I was accomplished where four previous owners failed. The life of that building was constantly being renovated and repaired. What people fail to understand in a rent controlled environment market forces are not there as there is no new apartment building construction where eventually rents go above market rates as vacancies go down to zero or one per cent on and off. You see people are willing to pay for a apartment building in decent shape where those who left were constantly whining. In the province of Alberta there is absolutely no rent control along with there are government incentives to build and convert existing buildings to rentals so new rental construction is always there. In the province of Alberta they do not pay the 7 per cent provincial sales tax which reduces operating costs considerably. So in the end rent control is failure where the laws of reduced supply and more demand rent goes up beyond market levels. The reactionary left wing tenancy advocates and other left wing do not even represent 0.01 per cent of the population. One day I called housing ministers office then asked why provincial government is funding then three months most of them went defunct. The secondary rental housing market is single family houses, condominiums and apartment above stores where it makes sense to sell to become owner occupied and convert apartments above stores to commercial. We live in a free market system where government intervention does not work and never will. --216.110.xxx.xxx




Biased Local Article-long (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Jul 8, 2025 8:05 AM
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So you have five buildings or five units? --107.147.xx.xx





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