hardwired detectors (by 6x6 [TN]) Jul 1, 2025 2:52 PM
hardwired detectors (by RB [TN]) Jul 1, 2025 3:05 PM
hardwired detectors (by 6x6 [TN]) Jul 1, 2025 3:25 PM
hardwired detectors (by WMH [NC]) Jul 1, 2025 3:33 PM
hardwired detectors (by 6x6 [TN]) Jul 1, 2025 3:59 PM
hardwired detectors (by Bonanza [NC]) Jul 1, 2025 5:11 PM
hardwired detectors (by 6x6 [TN]) Jul 1, 2025 8:23 PM
hardwired detectors (by JS [CA]) Jul 1, 2025 8:26 PM
hardwired detectors (by 6x6 [TN]) Jul 1, 2025 8:37 PM
hardwired detectors (by MikeA [TX]) Jul 1, 2025 10:49 PM
hardwired detectors (by Robert J [CA]) Jul 2, 2025 12:54 AM
hardwired detectors (by zero [IN]) Jul 2, 2025 8:43 AM
hardwired detectors (by zero [IN]) Jul 2, 2025 8:45 AM
hardwired detectors (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Jul 2, 2025 9:33 AM
hardwired detectors (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Jul 2, 2025 9:33 AM
hardwired detectors (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Jul 2, 2025 9:40 AM
hardwired detectors (by WMH [NC]) Jul 2, 2025 2:59 PM
hardwired detectors (by 6x6 [TN]) Jul 2, 2025 4:32 PM
hardwired detectors (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Jul 3, 2025 6:50 AM
hardwired detectors (by 6x6 [TN]) Jul 3, 2025 8:07 AM
hardwired detectors (by zero [IN]) Jul 3, 2025 8:19 AM
hardwired detectors (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2025 2:52 PM Message:
Do hardwired smoke detectors have an expiration date?
Not sure exactly how smoke detectors do what they do, but I have some in my rental that are an older type that has a 9 volt battery back-up. They still test fine when hitting the test button and they all sound the alarm. I just wasn't sure if they should be replaced due to age even though they test fine.
Thank you for your time. --73.19.xxx.xx |
hardwired detectors (by RB [TN]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2025 3:05 PM Message:
10 year replacement.
Dust accumulation is a big factor. --204.10.xxx.xx |
hardwired detectors (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2025 3:25 PM Message:
Thank you, RB. I will replace them --73.19.xxx.xx |
hardwired detectors (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2025 3:33 PM Message:
We have to use 10-year detectors by code now. We change them after 5 years. Sometimes they die even before then (if lots of pets or dust in house.) --173.28.xx.xxx |
hardwired detectors (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2025 3:59 PM Message:
Thank you WMH. Do you put a date on them when you install them? --73.19.xxx.xx |
hardwired detectors (by Bonanza [NC]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2025 5:11 PM Message:
Yes I put a date on them with a sharpie where you can see it.
5/2025 or some such. If there is some turnover I will replace all of them with the 10 year battery ones. --65.188.xxx.xxx |
hardwired detectors (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2025 8:23 PM Message:
Thank you, Bonanza --73.19.xxx.xx |
hardwired detectors (by JS [CA]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2025 8:26 PM Message:
I have had them go loco in as little as a year and I can’t imaging waiting the full 10 years. --162.204.xxx.xxx |
hardwired detectors (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2025 8:37 PM Message:
Thank you, JS. Hopefully these will last longer. If not, I will go back old school. --73.19.xxx.xx |
hardwired detectors (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2025 10:49 PM Message:
The last couple of years mine beep (5 short beeps) when the date has expired and I have to replace them. The house last week I knew they weren't 10 years old but when I looked at the manufacture date which is printed on the bottom sure enough they were. I'm guessing they sat on a warehouse shelf for a couple of years before I put them in. --209.205.xxx.xx |
hardwired detectors (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Jul 2, 2025 12:54 AM Message:
Yes, there are several key days. The date of Manufacture, the date of installation AND the date of expiration.
If you buy a 10 year worry free hardware smoke detector with a Lithium battery back up, the 10 "years" if from the date of manufacture, not the Installation date. --47.155.xx.xxx |
hardwired detectors (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Jul 2, 2025 8:43 AM Message:
I started putting the 10 year models in because the tenants just take the batteries out when dead and never replace them.
Just checked two in an empty that I put in a couple years ago. They still tested fine.
I also changed my lease because of the law we have regarding smoke detectors. The tenant must sign off that they tested the detectors or watched me test them before move in. They also have to replace with like kind detectors.
In all honesty if a tenant called and said a unit died shortly after they moved in I would just swap it out myself. But I do not want them to toss it and not replace with the same type. That is a lease violation big time for me, especially in my duplexes. --107.147.xx.xx |
hardwired detectors (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Jul 2, 2025 8:45 AM Message:
Sorry, you asked about hardwired units and I was talking about battery only units.
I have hard wired in my house because that was code. The rentals I did have one that had hard wired but they have been replaced with battery only units. They were not wired correctly anyhow. --107.147.xx.xx |
hardwired detectors (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Jul 2, 2025 9:33 AM Message:
6man,
A common technology in the SD is 2 sensors with a gap between them. Smoke is microscopic particles.
When enough particles float between the sensors it alarms. That's why it can stop alarming when the kitchen smoke clears or you fan it with a magazine.
Those sensors can accumulate "dust" and sound, OR become "insentive".
The push button test only tests the BATTERY or POWER, not the SD's ability to protect you.
SDs are cheap so "when in doubt, swap it out".
We had a person die in a rental fire.
New construction code requires they be tied together so if the basement SD alarms, they ALL alarm.
Section 8 now requires the 10 year sealed battery.
Like zero stated, Indiana law requires the res to sign a SD Acknowledgement that they are now responsible for the SD.
We've had 6 fires over the years. The FIRST THING the Fire Marshall checks is the SDs.
So if you swap in new SDs, document that in your file.
We also write the new date on the side for easy inspection but that could melt off in a fire.
SDs save lives so don't be cheap!
BRAD --68.45.xxx.xxx |
hardwired detectors (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Jul 2, 2025 9:33 AM Message:
6man,
A common technology in the SD is 2 sensors with a gap between them. Smoke is microscopic particles.
When enough particles float between the sensors it alarms. That's why it can stop alarming when the kitchen smoke clears or you fan it with a magazine.
Those sensors can accumulate "dust" and sound, OR become "insentive".
The push button test only tests the BATTERY or POWER, not the SD's ability to protect you.
SDs are cheap so "when in doubt, swap it out".
We had a person die in a rental fire.
New construction code requires they be tied together so if the basement SD alarms, they ALL alarm.
Section 8 now requires the 10 year sealed battery.
Like zero stated, Indiana law requires the res to sign a SD Acknowledgement that they are now responsible for the SD.
We've had 6 fires over the years. The FIRST THING the Fire Marshall checks is the SDs.
So if you swap in new SDs, document that in your file.
We also write the new date on the side for easy inspection but that could melt off in a fire.
SDs save lives so don't be cheap!
BRAD --68.45.xxx.xxx |
hardwired detectors (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Jul 2, 2025 9:40 AM Message:
PS
We also place an SD in the ATTIC because that is where many fires start.
We had a house fire blazing in the attic while the res was laying on the couch watching a ball game, unaware of the inferno above him. No smoke in the living area so no alarm.
The SDs were wired together but the fire burned the wire and tripped the breaker - no chance for an alarm.
This was a non-English speaking family but somehow knew to call 911 once they realized what was happening.
Could have ended badly.
BRAD --68.45.xxx.xxx |
hardwired detectors (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jul 2, 2025 2:59 PM Message:
Recently had a tenant call in a panic that her smoke detector in her kitchen was going off for no reason.
DH replaced it - old one, though not old at all, just a year, had lots of dust and pet hair. They used their crock pot which threw off steam and set off the detector.
We have found if you put one too near cooking areas, tenants take them down because they go off too much for false alarms. --173.28.xx.xxx |
hardwired detectors (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jul 2, 2025 4:32 PM Message:
Thank you everyone. These are wired together. I put in new duel purpose smoke and fire detectors. --73.19.xxx.xx |
hardwired detectors (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jul 3, 2025 6:50 AM Message:
The date should be on the back/underside of the detector --67.140.xx.xx |
hardwired detectors (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jul 3, 2025 8:07 AM Message:
Ray, yes, the manufacture date as Robert J mentions, is on the back of the detectors. As Robert J, I am figuring the 10 years starts from that point. --73.19.xxx.xx |
hardwired detectors (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Jul 3, 2025 8:19 AM Message:
WMH, when I had my inspection for my PR I was told not to put them within a certain distance of the cooking area. Maybe 25 foot?
I know when I had the 10 year units installed in one apartment I stayed as far away as I could from the kitchen area and one still went off. Tenant asked me to take it down. Instead I told the tenant that maybe they should consider a change in their cooking habits.
SD and tenant are both still there. --107.147.xx.xx |
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