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Anyone preparing to lower (by WMH [NC]) Jun 16, 2025 1:51 PM
       Anyone preparing to lower (by NE [PA]) Jun 16, 2025 1:57 PM
       Anyone preparing to lower (by 6x6 [TN]) Jun 16, 2025 2:51 PM
       Anyone preparing to lower (by plenty [MP]) Jun 16, 2025 3:32 PM
       Anyone preparing to lower (by GKARL [PA]) Jun 16, 2025 4:08 PM
       Anyone preparing to lower (by Jason [VA]) Jun 16, 2025 4:38 PM
       Anyone preparing to lower (by GKARL [PA]) Jun 16, 2025 5:27 PM
       Anyone preparing to lower (by MikeA [TX]) Jun 16, 2025 6:29 PM
       Anyone preparing to lower (by Pat [VA]) Jun 16, 2025 6:54 PM
       Anyone preparing to lower (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Jun 16, 2025 7:23 PM
       Anyone preparing to lower (by WMH [NC]) Jun 16, 2025 7:34 PM
       Anyone preparing to lower (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Jun 17, 2025 6:17 AM
       Anyone preparing to lower (by Steve [MA]) Jun 17, 2025 7:09 AM
       Anyone preparing to lower (by WMH [NC]) Jun 17, 2025 7:28 AM
       Anyone preparing to lower (by zero [IN]) Jun 17, 2025 9:44 AM
       Anyone preparing to lower (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Jun 17, 2025 10:53 AM
       Anyone preparing to lower (by Robert J [CA]) Jun 17, 2025 3:01 PM
       Anyone preparing to lower (by elliot [RI]) Jun 17, 2025 6:06 PM
       Anyone preparing to lower (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Jun 17, 2025 9:34 PM
       Anyone preparing to lower (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Jun 18, 2025 10:35 AM
       Anyone preparing to lower (by Busy [WI]) Jun 18, 2025 4:44 PM
       Anyone preparing to lower (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Jun 18, 2025 4:49 PM
       Anyone preparing to lower (by Jim [CA]) Jun 18, 2025 5:23 PM
       Anyone preparing to lower (by WMH [NC]) Jun 18, 2025 5:56 PM
       Anyone preparing to lower (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Jun 20, 2025 4:27 AM
       Anyone preparing to lower (by David Krulac [PA]) Jun 22, 2025 8:46 AM
       Anyone preparing to lower (by NE [PA]) Jun 22, 2025 8:59 AM
       Anyone preparing to lower (by zero [IN]) Jun 23, 2025 7:41 AM
       Anyone preparing to lower (by NE [PA]) Jun 23, 2025 7:49 AM
       Anyone preparing to lower (by David Krulac [PA]) Jun 23, 2025 7:52 AM
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Anyone preparing to lower (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jun 16, 2025 1:51 PM
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Anyone preparing in the event you might have to lower rents?

All the doomscrolling I do, combined with what I am seeing in my Housing group on FB, combined with general YouTube watching, tells me large investors are preparing to turn to long-term rentals during the upcoming housing crash. Entire neighborhoods being built with investment dollars are not selling: rates too high, prices too high. Looks like 2008 all over again.

We already know about overbuilt apartment communities offering "free rent" in order to fill up in order to extend builder loans or to sell to unsuspecting investors.

Experts warn investors will not give these home away - they will turn to rentals instead of major price reductions. --173.28.xx.xxx




Anyone preparing to lower (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jun 16, 2025 1:57 PM
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I do it automatically when places don’t rent, regardless of the market we’re in. --174.240.xxx.xxx




Anyone preparing to lower (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jun 16, 2025 2:51 PM
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Doesn't look like I am going to have a choice. Last house I had to lower a lot. --73.19.xxx.xx




Anyone preparing to lower (by plenty [MP]) Posted on: Jun 16, 2025 3:32 PM
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I would be open to lowering if it comes to that, I may also shift some responsibility also.

--172.59.xxx.xxx




Anyone preparing to lower (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Jun 16, 2025 4:08 PM
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I think you have to respond to the conditions. Excess supply will most certainly push rents down. Those conditions vary depending on where you're at. I think where's there's less room to build (congested urban areas), excess supply is less of an issue. Even still, the general economic conditions can put downward pressure on rents.

I think how this affects one really depends on how much debt is being carried. For those folks who bought at peak, cutting rents can mean trouble servicing the debt and some will be forced to sell. Depending on the area, there will be a lot of short sales and foreclosures.

Personally, I'm holding the line on rents and rent increases and cutting costs wherever I can first. --23.28.xx.xx




Anyone preparing to lower (by Jason [VA]) Posted on: Jun 16, 2025 4:38 PM
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Around here property taxes are consistently going up 40-50% year after year and repair costs are tracking. If rents go down, that will open up a buying frenzy for cash buyers while the leveraged sell out. I can't put a roof on a 1300 sqft rancher for less than $10k around here. --75.75.xxx.xxx




Anyone preparing to lower (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Jun 16, 2025 5:27 PM
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Most anyone who bought over the last 2-3 years will probably be overleveraged. Just gotta be patient and keep your powder dry. --23.28.xx.xx




Anyone preparing to lower (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Jun 16, 2025 6:29 PM
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I can't imagine that financially it would be better to rent a new house than sell it at a loss. New houses bring a premium over used houses. Once they rent them the value drops by 5-10% even if it is taken care of, which we know renters don't do. Second, they will be going in at the top of the market. A seasoned investor knows not to be on the top end when the market goes soft and budgets get tight. That's when you want to invest in solid smaller/cheaper rentals.

More likely, and consistent with what has happened in previous contractions, the notes will get called, the banks will foreclose, and they will get sold off in one form or another. That will drive down prices even further. A downward spiral for a while. That will cause the Fed to lower interest rates which will drive up demand until it stabilizes. Even if they do turn them into rentals, the returns will be negative so they won't be able to repay the loans at some point so it will be the same net effect.

Either way, if there is excess inventory in either rentals or sales, the net effect is prices are going to come down both in rents and in sales prices. This would not be a good time to have overpaid for rentals and operating on a very thing or negative cash flow. --209.205.xxx.xx




Anyone preparing to lower (by Pat [VA]) Posted on: Jun 16, 2025 6:54 PM
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I was getting 675. for the 3/2 mobile we are fixing up. I tried advertising it for 750. and have dropped it to 700.

I cleaned the nastiest wall in the kitchen today with a fuzzy long brush made to get webs down and Mr. Clean in a bucket. Then I used a window squeegee to wipe it dry. Had a dog crate beside it, gross. After doing that I felt like I needed a bath.

Makes me know I deserve every penny I can get.

I still need to use a Brillo pad or Eraser on the rusty stains in the 4 year old flooring. (from crate) --216.126.xx.xxx




Anyone preparing to lower (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Jun 16, 2025 7:23 PM
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Lower rents will only occur during a down turn where the tariffs are going to cause a recession. Have to look at future where those tariffs will taken away as the house and senate will change. The G7 conference in Alberta Canada outside of Calgary only one person says tariffs are good where everyone else in the world says tariffs are a disaster. No country is going to sign a trade deal where the close down auto industry and other industries to be transferred to the Us. A country of 40 million compared to 340 million. Each time we try things change in a few days where the counter tariffs will exist along with the booze was taken off shelves from the Us where they are feeling it. A one sided tariff no country will ever agree to that. Countries have options to trade with each other tariff free along not buying or visiting those countries. Now products sold from Mexico, Canada, EU and other countries we buy where other products can rot at the grocery store. Now wine, whisky, beer domestic is going up. Companies are looking to purchase steel, aluminium made here as well. Like all the dead ends the end of the road where it goes off cliff. --216.110.xxx.xxx




Anyone preparing to lower (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jun 16, 2025 7:34 PM
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Robert/Canada, this downturn has been coming for two years or more now, it's not caused by tariffs that have only been announced in the last few months.

As far as booze, alcohol consumption has been going steadily DOWN in the US since Covid - it was driven up by the external, extraordinary circumstances of the lockdown, but now is going back down to normal or even lower than "normal" because 1) everyone's getting older and the next generation isn't drinking 2) science on the dangers has been updated 3) legalization of pot. --173.28.xx.xxx




Anyone preparing to lower (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jun 17, 2025 6:17 AM
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Where did you get your rental rate that you are considering lowering?

As an Amercian, I can expect to be paying nationally 35% of my income towards housing. Lowering what you are asking might make sense if 1) Rate was higher than it should have been (which is a tricky statement) 2) You have marketed the place unsuccessfully and are not getting ANY leads 3)Shift in the economy occurred locally.

I have to wonder if the rates there haven't increased due to the number of Air BnB and MTR in that area?

Just a suggestion if you are planning to lower rent asking price. Get the terms you want. If rent is say $1,500 and you are considering lowering it to $1,450, offer a $1,500 lease with no increase in 2026. Those who are struggling thru a dip in the local economy can sleep better at night and you get an extra $600 in year one --173.188.xx.xxx




Anyone preparing to lower (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Jun 17, 2025 7:09 AM
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At the end of this week I'll be sending out notices of rent adjustments to 6 of my existing tenants. Two of them had their rent adjusted last year & the other 4 haven't had an adjustment in over 2 years.

Since all of the increases are $125.00 or less I'm fairly confident that considering how few decent places are available that they will all stay. Two of these units are subsidized so it will be interesting to see how the PHA react to the increases. Even with the increases all of these units are slightly under the current market rents for my area.

I've always found that if you offer decent units at a fair price, stay on top of any maintenance & give tenants plenty of notice they normally accept rent adjustments aka rent increases without much push back. --71.174.xx.xx




Anyone preparing to lower (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jun 17, 2025 7:28 AM
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Ray, currently I would only be lowering to have more tenant options while sticking to my 3-3.5x the rent requirement for income, plus 2x the rent for SD. So far I haven't found it will help, though, and I am definitely already cheaper than the AirBnB converts competition.

But I see some rents that are approaching mine. --173.28.xx.xxx




Anyone preparing to lower (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Jun 17, 2025 9:44 AM
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I am going to be testing my market an a few weeks. Two places coming open for sure and the possibility of two more in the same time frame.

Sent out increases to those that were ready. Around 3%. Now it looks like one town's school might be doing some stuff that will literally double the property taxes.

That will increase rents yet again and possibly scare some people out of that growing community. --107.147.xx.xx




Anyone preparing to lower (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Jun 17, 2025 10:53 AM
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I will pretty soon if I don't get tenants. I don't have mortgages, so I can drop rent a lot before it hurts me too badly.

The big problem with the rental market here is that home buyers and home renters have a different level of income. So houses are priced so high that tenants can't afford to rent them if rent is as high as a mortgage payment for that house.

I make sure my houses are the best in their price band and I under price the others just slightly. That normally works well, but this year the tenants just aren't available. --76.178.xxx.xxx




Anyone preparing to lower (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Jun 17, 2025 3:01 PM
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For Almost 50 years, instead of having to lower rents, I add something to the rental, like A/C, new appliances,carpet upgrade to wood flooring-- to keep the price up. --47.155.xx.xxx




Anyone preparing to lower (by elliot [RI]) Posted on: Jun 17, 2025 6:06 PM
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I just received a letter from local PHA that HUD FMR is adjusted downwards for this area. I have dealt with local PHA for 20 years, it is not 100% accurate, but it is an indication of things coming regardless. I was granted rent increase for 5+ years in a row and this year, I got some rejection letters that stated the rent is already at market level.

We just rented one unit out recently. The amount of inquiries is abysmal comparing to 6-12 months ago. It felt like back to 10-15 years ago level. (I don't keep track the data, but the inbox is empty vs. 50, 100 messages a week before). I always wondered where the increased demand come from in last couple of years, kidding aside, was it really all the illegals help with the rental market?

Granted, all market is local.. But with the tech layoffs and scarcity of high paying jobs, it is understandable and have to prepare for the reality of the market condition. --74.97.xx.xx




Anyone preparing to lower (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Jun 17, 2025 9:34 PM
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Tonight went out to buy some beer at the government LCBO where the bourbon, whisky, wine, beer was taken off the shelves where seen a bottle of Miller beer that was brewed in Canada where on the labels of everything had a maple leaf symbol which meant it was from Canada or the country of origin. Provinces had outlet that sells bourbon, wine, whisky and beer where true sales have declined due to less people drinking while this blockade really hit those states really hard. At the G7 in Alberta, Canada a short stay where did not the criticism of the punitive tariffs where went back like first in office. Other nations were invited outside the G7 where more free trade deals were made. The government is going to increase to the Nato standard of 2 per cent of GDP where now the F35 is gone where from France and other EU nations along with Korea planes, submarines, tanks will not come from the Us.. Outside of the EU Canada is most European nation where french is a official language. What happened is integration will no longer work where now free trade is going to be East to West and West to East. No longer are steel beams going to be important along many are boycotting Us companies and brands. I shop at Costco mainly as I can buy bread with zero sugar and other things where a lot of products come from Canada. Canadians are no longer travelling to Us for vacations and selling out houses they owned. In Florida ICE over heard Canadians specking in French where detained, arrested then deported where legally in the Us with legal passports. Once you go 160 kilometres into the Us they are not aware what goes on here. I have nothing against the American people where we get along very well where one man is not in touch will reality where put on a 50 per cent tariff than a counter tariff. No country is going to close down automotive plant, factories under any circumstances or become the 51 st. State where we universal medical care and lower cost prescriptions. You do not go bankrupt when you have major surgery or any other medical procedure. We do not other nationals who come here who speak in another language as long as they come legally. Still you have obey traffic laws and other laws like other countries. This nonsense will only be temporary where in a year things will change. In the future the relationship with Us will never be the same. --216.110.xxx.xxx




Anyone preparing to lower (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2025 10:35 AM
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Robert, nobody is arresting and deporting French speakers who have legal visas to be in the USA and who are not over-staying their visa, or breaking the law, or giving good indication that they are working without the proper permit. You have been misinformed, or deliberately mislead.

If an ICE station is located where there is a large population of French speakers, they will have someone on staff who speaks French. For less common languages, they use interpreters, which can be done with Skype.

Where I live, which is close to the Canadian border, it is extremely common for Canadian construction workers to enter the USA with a tourist visa and work in construction. That is against the terms of their visa, so if they get caught, they are deported and their visa cancelled. But nobody is grabbing legitimate tourists with legal visas and deporting them because they don't speak English.

Nobody is deported without a determination of their immigration status --76.178.xxx.xxx




Anyone preparing to lower (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2025 4:44 PM
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Canada might just need to try staying together as one country, and not worry so much about what goes on beyond their borders. ;-)

From the little I have paid attention to Canada , it seems the western provinces might be a tad unhappy, and nought to do with the US. But, just to make you happy, Robert, I stopped buying maple syrup from ALDI, which is imported from Canada, and have found a brand at PicknSave that is from Wisconsin. Doesn’t make much impact, we’ve been cutting out sweets, processed foods, alcohol for almost a year now, and growing lots of veg. My daughter’s family has been doing the same, my son has been making small changes. None of us were ever big drinkers anyway. Maple syrup, date sugar, and coconut palm sugar are mainly used in high-veg muffins and cookies or in chia seed jams or puddings in our healthier diets. Dairy also is also greatly reduced, though not entirely out. --172.59.xx.xxx




Anyone preparing to lower (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2025 4:49 PM
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It is not difficult to get a extension where can apply. Most of French Canadians are fluent in English as well where now chose to travel to other countries. Canadians do not agree with the administration just like a lot Canadians do not agree with administration in Canada. What this has done where now going some serious changes here which are going to be positive for this country. No matter what you country you go to must comply with the laws where some from the Us were not allowed with a criminal record. Before with a valid passport could stay in Us as long as you did not take a job without any problems as long did not obey laws where that has changed. I remember when I went to Amsterdam where was going to Germany where had to go in the line of non Eu citizens where asked why you are doing this. At the Centraal railway station bought a ticket where showed passport then when train crossed border train changed locomotive from Dutch to German where announcements were no longer in English or Dutch just German. In Germany customs is called Zol Policzi as the train back from Switzerland they did not even ask me to open passport. A olive green uniform with bullet proof vest and a Glock Pistal. On the way back they asked what I thought about Germany where I replied honestly it one thing as tourist another when you are taking all forms of public transit inclining street cars you see the dark side of country where alcoholism is a problem where ask for Euro for a beer which costs a Euro where one spoke English without any German accent where he must had lived in Canada or the Us. --216.110.xxx.xxx




Anyone preparing to lower (by Jim [CA]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2025 5:23 PM
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My rents are and always have been very attractive. Couple that with good landlord management . I’m not worried about losing any tenants. I am a known entity as compared to an unknown landlord. --99.23.xxx.x




Anyone preparing to lower (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jun 18, 2025 5:56 PM
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Robert, please cut your use of the word "where" by about 2/3rds! I honestly cannot understand what you are saying sometimes and without paragraphs I just give up.

Canada has always had stricter laws about immigration than the US - or at least, has adhered to them better than we have. We haven't added any new immigration laws, we are just finally starting to follow what was already in place out of pure necessity. --173.28.xx.xxx




Anyone preparing to lower (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Jun 20, 2025 4:27 AM
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What happen at the G7 conference in Kananakis Alberta is trump left after realizing that he is as odds with everyone else. Like Putin should be allowed in and everyone is going suck up the tariffs along with continue to buy Us defence and Boeing planes. After he left the president of Mexico, Brazil, Korea and prime minister of Australia signed free trade deals with Canada and those nations who attended where Us administration thinks we are going to buy F 35 jets along thinks we should not be trading with the rest of world. This has changed everything in the world. No country is going to close down auto industry or any other industries. The Canadian government is going to attend a EU conference to start to remove other barriers where now 98 per cent is tariff free. As a result of the war with Ukraine we will meet the 2 per cent Nato on defence spending this year along all defence will purchased from the EU and other countries.

In 30 days either it is tariff free or we apply the same counter tariffs. There are plans to build a national grid corridor where hydro electric power will connect entire country then hydro electrical power will be phased out with the Us where Manitoba already started that. No matter what political party we will working together where before provincial regulations it was difficult for skilled workers to work in other provinces.

In the end DJT signed a free trade deal where now wants to rip it up where no nation should have a problem with that where simply bypass tariffs altogether. In short time there is a recession and the long term opportunities to sell steel, aluminium, critical minerals and lumber to other nations are there.

Rents in the Toronto GTA have gone down where the peak is over along with Condominium units are vacant along with price will drop 20 per cent. Generally if rents are higher in a rent controlled area vacant rental units reach market rent than only when vacancies rise there is drop.

Also a lot landlords are applying for above guideline rent increases where lower rental units become vacant then rent goes market on vacant rental units. 3 per cent on capital expenditures and 100 per on operating increases above a threshold. --216.110.xxx.xxx




Anyone preparing to lower (by David Krulac [PA]) Posted on: Jun 22, 2025 8:46 AM
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I've been renting places for a very long time, and during the multi-decade journey I've only lowered rent once, and it was during the winter and was having a difficult time getting a new tenant. Most of my tenants stay a long time, average tenancy is 12.5 years and have had tenants stay for more than 30 years. Vacancy is an overlooked expense, which I try to minimize, both in numbers and duration. Leases never expire in the winter, the above example was not a winter lease expiration. I also track the HUD Fair Market Rent, on their website HUDuser.gov and my rents are almost always above the HUD median rents. I also look at Craigslist, Zillow, & Rentometer for their take on rents. Currently I raised one rent by $450 and another by $425, but both had not been raised over the last 3 years. I may keep rents the same but have no plans to lower rents. --173.67.xxx.xxx




Anyone preparing to lower (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jun 22, 2025 8:59 AM
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Just for clarification, are we discussing lowering rents on open vacancies or current tenants already in units? --174.240.xxx.xxx




Anyone preparing to lower (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2025 7:41 AM
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Why would one lower the rents on an occupied place?

Although the guy I sold a duplex to did just that. Rents were set by me at $650/mo water included. He put a new tenant in and lowered the rents to $500/mo because she said it was tough to keep up.

I kept asking him why he would do that. The only answer I got out of him was he worried about an empty place.

Even tho the market was (is?) hot and the place rents very quickly. --107.147.xx.xx




Anyone preparing to lower (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2025 7:49 AM
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Zero, I agree. Just the way I read Dave’s post it sounded like he took it as reducing rents on existing tenants. --174.240.xxx.xxx




Anyone preparing to lower (by David Krulac [PA]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2025 7:52 AM
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No we never have reduced rent on an existing tenant, even through 1981, 2008, 2020, etc. all years even in down markets. --173.67.xxx.xxx




Anyone preparing to lower (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2025 9:18 AM
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That I agree with. I don’t reduce on existing tenants. I will reduce prices on vacancies that are not renting. The only real changes I’ve made for tenants who claim to be struggling with rent is the day and or frequency that they make their payments. --24.152.xxx.xx



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