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Cash Value for Insurance (by Lisa [TX]) Mar 6, 2025 1:33 PM
       Cash Value for Insurance (by Pmh [TX]) Mar 6, 2025 2:59 PM
       Cash Value for Insurance (by Lisa [TX]) Mar 6, 2025 3:22 PM
       Cash Value for Insurance (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Mar 6, 2025 3:23 PM
       Cash Value for Insurance (by Lisa [TX]) Mar 6, 2025 3:26 PM
       Cash Value for Insurance (by Homer [TX]) Mar 6, 2025 4:31 PM
       Cash Value for Insurance (by Lisa [TX]) Mar 6, 2025 7:07 PM
       Cash Value for Insurance (by Robert J [CA]) Mar 6, 2025 10:55 PM
       Cash Value for Insurance (by Lisa [TX]) Mar 7, 2025 12:04 AM
       Cash Value for Insurance (by MikeA [TX]) Mar 7, 2025 12:50 AM
       Cash Value for Insurance (by Lisa [TX]) Mar 7, 2025 11:28 AM
       Cash Value for Insurance (by Lisa [TX]) Mar 7, 2025 11:43 AM
       Cash Value for Insurance (by MikeA [TX]) Mar 7, 2025 11:50 AM
       Cash Value for Insurance (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Mar 7, 2025 11:58 AM
       Cash Value for Insurance (by Pmh [TX]) Mar 7, 2025 1:25 PM
       Cash Value for Insurance (by Nicole [PA]) Mar 10, 2025 10:00 AM
       Cash Value for Insurance (by Pmh [TX]) Mar 10, 2025 1:52 PM
       Cash Value for Insurance (by zero [IN]) Mar 11, 2025 7:01 AM
       Cash Value for Insurance (by Ken [NY]) Mar 16, 2025 12:17 AM

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Cash Value for Insurance (by Lisa [TX]) Posted on: Mar 6, 2025 1:33 PM
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In an effort to cut insurance cost, I am looking into switching from Replacement Cost to Cash Value coverage on my rentals.

It's hard to calculate the replacement cost. Say if I am covered at $200000 on a 40-year-old house, I won't know how much the insurance would pay me at a complete loss. ( I am not worried about roof, I am willing to pay roof repairs out of pocket to cut premium)

I bought these homes long time ago at 1/3 the current value. most land values are $70K, one story homes, around 1500-1700sf in safe neighborhood.

How are your experiences? I have never had a total loss in 15 years, only filed hail claims. All my roofs are new,

thank you!

--70.119.xxx.xx




Cash Value for Insurance (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Mar 6, 2025 2:59 PM
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land value is irrelevant. if you are worried about cost difference between cash value & replacement insurance cost to rebuild I suggest you reevaluate --104.28.xx.xxx




Cash Value for Insurance (by Lisa [TX]) Posted on: Mar 6, 2025 3:22 PM
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Thanks

Yes, Land values are irrelevant. I paid average $70-80K each for these homes years ago. Now their market values are averaging $250-400K. I am thinking even if I get $200,000K Cash Value coverage, the house gets burned down, I will still have the $70K land. I just do now have an idea how depreciation is calculated for 40 yr old homes. So I will only receive a % of the total 200K AC policy amount. --70.119.xxx.xx




Cash Value for Insurance (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Mar 6, 2025 3:23 PM
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ACV policies take depreciation of the various parts of the property into count. So if you have a place that is worth $200,000 that you have insured to only $180,000 and there is a total loss on the place, if the entire building is say 5 years old, you might only get $165,000.

If you underinsure it too much you get into a Co-insurance situation. If you are going to use cash value policies, ask about co-insurance.

If you are looking to reduce your insurance and have an older place, you could possibly save money by shifting from a full replacement policy to a Functional replacement policy.

--50.96.xx.xxx




Cash Value for Insurance (by Lisa [TX]) Posted on: Mar 6, 2025 3:26 PM
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Thank you Ray-N-Pa!! I have never had co-insurance. Had functional replacement policy with Foremost. It has gotten very expensive as well. --70.119.xxx.xx




Cash Value for Insurance (by Homer [TX]) Posted on: Mar 6, 2025 4:31 PM
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My houses are worth average 250k each, I generally insure for 125 k each, using Texas Fair Plan , ACV, huge money saver over the years. They pay very well on wind and hail. --47.161.xxx.xx




Cash Value for Insurance (by Lisa [TX]) Posted on: Mar 6, 2025 7:07 PM
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Thank you Homer! I talked to Texas Fair Plan they will only insure if I deed rentals into my personal name. I don't want to move them out of LLC

Thanks for sharing that your coverage, that's good to know. --172.58.xxx.xxx




Cash Value for Insurance (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Mar 6, 2025 10:55 PM
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I am a Contractor and have many major real estate investor clients. For a fee, I provide an estimate to re-build a structure to original standards. No code upgrades, etc.

One client was told they had to insure their property for 1M dollars. Insurance law in California says it has to be 80% of the rebuilding costs. But my estimate came in at around $675K. It did not include demo and removal of the property after a loss.

Going with a cut throat insurance caller for a pay out of $600K, their annual premium came in at $6,000. Instead of $15K for full coverage less 10% deductible. --47.155.xx.xx




Cash Value for Insurance (by Lisa [TX]) Posted on: Mar 7, 2025 12:04 AM
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Thanks Robert, that's a big difference! --70.119.xxx.xx




Cash Value for Insurance (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Mar 7, 2025 12:50 AM
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I have ACV so depreciation is a factor. My biggest loss is a roof to hail and with depreciation they aren't going to pay much anyway so I just save a ton on insurance by upping the deductible to $5000, I'm considering going to $7500 or even $10K. I've not had a claim in over 30 years and have saved enough in premiums to buy a couple of houses. By the way, I don't replace the roof with just hail damage, that won't cause it to leak 99.95% of the time and replacement is on my dime so I wait until the edges start rolling before I consider replacing it.

Going this route I'm really just insuring against a place burning to the ground. The local tax appraisals are a fairly accurate assessment of sales values so I just use those as the basis for establishing insurance values so I don't get into coinsurance issues. I also update the replacements at renewal. I am pretty liberal with what I deem a replacement. For example, if I have to replace a compressor I consider that a HVAC replacement and report the current year at renewal so the ACV depreciation schedule restarts for that element. --209.205.xxx.xx




Cash Value for Insurance (by Lisa [TX]) Posted on: Mar 7, 2025 11:28 AM
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MikeA, thank you! I will used the tax appraisal values.

I currently have 10K deductible, roof 10K -15K,so I am not going to file a hail claim too. All my roofs are pretty new. No agent told me about co-insurance issue. thank you!

"Going this route, I'm really just insuring against a place burning to the ground"-- this is really what I want as well. Fire only coverage is only a fraction of the cost. However, with the recent windstorm, I am still going to keep wind and hail until it has become too unaffordable. --70.119.xxx.xx




Cash Value for Insurance (by Lisa [TX]) Posted on: Mar 7, 2025 11:43 AM
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I am thinking down the road, I can probably get fire only for houses with no large trees. I have cut several big trees past few years from wind damage or tree died in deep freeze or extreme heat. --70.119.xxx.xx




Cash Value for Insurance (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Mar 7, 2025 11:50 AM
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I keep the standard policy because I'm in part of the state where tornado loss is still a fair possibility. --209.205.xxx.xx




Cash Value for Insurance (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Mar 7, 2025 11:58 AM
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Those large deductibles are a double-edged sword. If something bad happens and that area is declared a disaster area, then it is a free claim that stays off your clue report.

But the deductible that you choose in advance stays. So what are the odds of hail damage being greater than $10,000? Factor in if you have an ACV policy and you might not get anything. So this is a balancing act --174.131.xxx.xxx




Cash Value for Insurance (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Mar 7, 2025 1:25 PM
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I pay for replacement. rates have increased of course bc of higher anticipated costs to rebuild. ins is a cost of business. I would look to increasing rents rather than cutting back on coverage. --146.75.xxx.xxx




Cash Value for Insurance (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2025 10:00 AM
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This is the one part of my business I have never been comfortable with because I don't understand a lot of it.

If I have a house the insurance companies calculations tell me to insure replacement value for $275,000 and it burns to the ground, I get $275,000. I cannot rebuild that house because in the neighborhood it is in, a row house will only rent for $1000. The pay back would never be worth replacing that home in that neighborhood.

If I lower the insured value below the 80% I only get a fractional share of the payout. I understand they are completely different, but retail, that house, as is now, will only sell for $170,000. So again, a $275,000 house in that neighborhood is not a good investment. --98.237.xxx.xx




Cash Value for Insurance (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2025 1:52 PM
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ah. now I understand your dilemma better. So yes, your logic on reducing coverage makes sense. --104.28.xx.xxx




Cash Value for Insurance (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Mar 11, 2025 7:01 AM
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But what would the brand new house that you had built sell for?

My agent talked to me and in his opinion if I had a catastrophic accident and the entire place was to be rebuilt I should then just sell.

Makes sense in a way. I could rent the place out again and have a turn key place with nearly no maintenance for years, or I could sell it for a lot more than I had in it to owner occupied and make money on the deal.

Insurance is gambling and as close to a scam as you can get, in my opinion. --107.147.xx.xx




Cash Value for Insurance (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Mar 16, 2025 12:17 AM
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why dont you just call your agent and ask what it would cost if you changed to cash value?.I would be more concerned about having coverage for a lawsuit than a fire --159.89.xxx.xx



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