New STR registry (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Jan 18, 2025 7:31 PM
New STR registry (by NE [PA]) Jan 18, 2025 7:48 PM
New STR registry (by NE [PA]) Jan 18, 2025 7:50 PM
New STR registry (by plenty [MO]) Jan 18, 2025 9:13 PM
New STR registry (by Robin [WI]) Jan 18, 2025 10:32 PM
New STR registry (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Jan 19, 2025 12:03 AM
New STR registry (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Jan 19, 2025 8:31 AM
New STR registry (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Jan 19, 2025 8:33 AM
New STR registry (by elliot [RI]) Jan 19, 2025 8:41 AM
New STR registry (by zero [IN]) Jan 19, 2025 8:47 AM
New STR registry (by tryan [MA]) Jan 19, 2025 9:24 AM
New STR registry (by T [IN]) Jan 19, 2025 10:40 AM
New STR registry (by 6x6 [TN]) Jan 19, 2025 11:05 AM
New STR registry (by NE [PA]) Jan 19, 2025 11:21 AM
New STR registry (by ned [AL]) Jan 19, 2025 11:25 AM
New STR registry (by NE [PA]) Jan 19, 2025 11:28 AM
New STR registry (by jonny [NY]) Jan 19, 2025 12:22 PM
New STR registry (by Doogie [KS]) Jan 19, 2025 2:38 PM
New STR registry (by DJ [VA]) Jan 19, 2025 3:22 PM
New STR registry (by NE [PA]) Jan 19, 2025 3:34 PM
New STR registry (by GKARL [PA]) Jan 19, 2025 4:16 PM
New STR registry (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Jan 20, 2025 1:08 AM
New STR registry (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Jan 20, 2025 1:10 AM
New STR registry (by tryan [MA]) Jan 20, 2025 9:43 AM
New STR registry (by tryan [MA]) Jan 20, 2025 9:43 AM
New STR registry (by John... [MI]) Jan 20, 2025 11:50 AM
New STR registry (by T [IN]) Jan 20, 2025 4:30 PM
New STR registry (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Jan 20, 2025 8:19 PM
New STR registry (by Corles Stehlik [FL]) Jan 21, 2025 4:20 PM
New STR registry (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Jan 22, 2025 7:20 AM
New STR registry (by Eli Stehlik [AL]) Jan 27, 2025 7:01 PM
New STR registry (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Jan 18, 2025 7:31 PM Message:
From the Fair Housing Center of Central Indiana:
Indianapolis registry to crack down on short-term rental parties starts up in 2025:
As a record year of Indianapolis tourism comes to a close, an industry growing with the increased number of visitors is getting some new regulation. A new Indianapolis ordinance will create a registry of short-term rental owners in the city and create a three strike system to hold owners accountable for disruptive and dangerous activities on their properties.
[BRAD's note - the OWNER, not the partiers or the PM will get 3 strikes. Coming to a city near you!] --68.50.xxx.xxx |
New STR registry (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jan 18, 2025 7:48 PM Message:
They hate you and they want you out of business. Proceed accordingly. --24.152.xxx.xx |
New STR registry (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jan 18, 2025 7:50 PM Message:
Actually, I think this might be 100% unconstitutional. I don’t think they can hold you accountable for the actions of someone else. --24.152.xxx.xx |
New STR registry (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Jan 18, 2025 9:13 PM Message:
Brad are you holding any STR s ? --172.59.xxx.xxx |
New STR registry (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: Jan 18, 2025 10:32 PM Message:
Hmmmm....so hold the property in a land trust, and if you get partiers twice, transfer ownership to a new land trust. Easy peasy. --104.230.xxx.xxx |
New STR registry (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2025 12:03 AM Message:
What is happening now in most jurisdiction it is being amplified that short time rentals are taking away the affordable rental stock even if it is only 2 per cent. The population has gone due immigration where all the types of housing to houses, condominiums and apartment buildings has stayed the same. So leftist are going say there is serious problem where here what is happening the secondary rental housing market is like houses, townhouses and condominiums is being sold to become owner occupied. If it take 8 months to evict a non paying tenant along with being trashed the owner decides to leave the rental housing by selling where some places that is over million dollars CDN so why continue to lose money. The leftist say they should have no right this or the right to sell apartments for market rate but a reduced value below the market so it becomes a non profit complex. Look at the vacancy rates. Rent control is economic warfare where they try force rental owners to sell apartment buildings than when the government takes over no more rent control where tenants face very large rent increases. One time at the residential tenancy commission a tenant was getting a 45 per cent rent increase where KW housing authority is exempt from rent control sort RGI non sense. Only private rentals in Ontario are under rent control where new construction is exempt for a few years then rent control begins. --216.110.xxx.xxx |
New STR registry (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2025 8:31 AM Message:
NE, They've been doing this to LTR since the 90s in Rochester NY. It's called the point system. If they find so much as a crack baggie on your lawn, the property OWNER gets assigned points until they can eminent domain you. Then the wrecking ball swings and you get one of those wooden posts put up on the lot (indicating property of Rochester NY).
The owner does NOT get compensated for his property. --64.246.xxx.xx |
New STR registry (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2025 8:33 AM Message:
Robin, That's quite a chunk of change to keep transferring ownership to a different land trust name. --64.246.xxx.xx |
New STR registry (by elliot [RI]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2025 8:41 AM Message:
mapleaf18, that is worse than communist. --96.253.xx.xx |
New STR registry (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2025 8:47 AM Message:
Mapleaf18, wouldn't it just involve a quit claim deed to be recorded showing a new owner?
If so that is like $15 around here. --107.147.xx.xx |
New STR registry (by tryan [MA]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2025 9:24 AM Message:
I have STR in a resort area .... the town just implemented STR permitting . Owner pays 10 cents a sq/ft for the permit. AND an additional 3% hotel tax (13% total). But what hurt was the permit restricts the number of peeps allowed in the property ... 2 per bedroom. Then AIRBNB made me adjust my listing to reflect the permitted number of peeps.
PITA. --198.168.xx.xxx |
New STR registry (by T [IN]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2025 10:40 AM Message:
There is areas of FL that is banning outright STR. In Sarasota, a group of investors bought a small house... tore it down... built it with the SOLE purpose of STR, but told county/city its just a house. Oops. Now they have 3 families staying and there is 7 cars trying to park (room for 3 cars, max). Parties all night. When the neighbors live in 5M+ retirement homes, guess who has time to complain to govt officials? Yep, the retired person. Didn't take long, but no more STR on that island. No grandfather clauses either from understanding.
You knew this STR business was going to get killed at some point. People made too much $$ with ease with no consequences when bad things happen. Now govt is stepping in and we will not like it. I'm glad I never got into it.... --170.203.xxx.xx |
New STR registry (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2025 11:05 AM Message:
A few thoughts:
Owners of STR's should not really want partiers in the first place. Not only will they disturb the neighbor's peace but will destroy your property. Owners should screen well, have good clauses in their contract with rules and consequences for breaking them, and have some sort of watch on the property.
The city knows they are more likely to get more money and cooperation out of owners than partiers.
Question of the day: Does the constitution have any weight today?
If the land trust is done correctly, then it could possibly be as easy as Robin stated. However, I am still learning on this.
That stated, the next thing will be the elimination of land trust.
Next question, when should a person preserve their rights and not let the constitution be eroded away, sooner or later? --73.108.xxx.xxx |
New STR registry (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2025 11:21 AM Message:
6x6, you begin to defend it when man’s laws begin to break gods laws. You can always move your investments out of a crappy town. --24.152.xxx.xx |
New STR registry (by ned [AL]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2025 11:25 AM Message:
Glad I never did the STR thing either. I get it. When done correct, it's good $.
That said, it's so much more an "active" business. Meh, not for me. --192.181.xx.xxx |
New STR registry (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2025 11:28 AM Message:
6 x 6, my guess with T’s example of the $5 million homes in Florida, I’m guessing a well-known owner of one of those homes saw the politician, mayor or councilman, or whoever out to dinner somewhere at a local restaurant, and probably walked up to his table and gave him a piece of his mind and said get rid of these now and that was that. Because that’s how most of these things work. That mayor or councilman knew that that guy was serious when he told him to get rid of them. So the ordinance passes. --24.152.xxx.xx |
New STR registry (by jonny [NY]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2025 12:22 PM Message:
I am pretty sure I saw that our governor is doing that with STR here. I'm not sure if it's a state wide thing or they opened it up to a County option (or city, town, etc) or if it's State definitely and then the options, etc.
I don't do them. I know people who have and are but Airbnb pays attention to the renter... NOT the owner. so when a guest complains about anything Airbnb hammers the owner. Even if it's false.
I'm with ned... it's definitely an "active" business and I don't want THAT kind of an active business. --67.253.xxx.xxx |
New STR registry (by Doogie [KS]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2025 2:38 PM Message:
The city here implemented this in September of '24. Pretty much was just a cash grab. $275 to get a special use permit for a STR. Then, you get to pay another $250/year for a license. No inspection, just continue to operate as normal. Total was of time for property owner and city workers. However, they were nice enough to hire an outside firm to monitor all STR rentals on the various websites. They are comparing to the list of folks that have gotten their license and shutting it down if you don't.
I talked to a councilman and asked him what on earth this was all from. It stemmed from 2 years ago, there was a party at a STR and the cops were called to break it up. That's it. Nothing happened other than the cops broke up a party (like they would at an owner occupied home). They felt they had to do something, so this is what they came up with. Tax dollars hard at work! --107.207.xx.xx |
New STR registry (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2025 3:22 PM Message:
Not a solution, but FWIW: my first thought is to be friendly with a responsible neighbor(s) who want to keep out trouble & will call YOU first, before the police.
That's good for ALL rentals.
I'm NOT doing STR's --72.218.xx.xxx |
New STR registry (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2025 3:34 PM Message:
Imagine being a customer at one of these airbnbs in a town with new ordinances and the enforcement gestapo randomly stops in to “check on things”. Fun fun. --24.152.xxx.xx |
New STR registry (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2025 4:16 PM Message:
Indianapolis is my hometown however, I've not lived there for over 40 years, so it's almost foreign to me now. Having said that, I can't imagine Indy itself being attractive for STRs. Perhaps things have changed quite a bit in 40 years but there was no huge booming tourism going on outside of the Indy 500 back in the day. I can see MTR being viable though. --23.28.xx.xx |
New STR registry (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2025 1:08 AM Message:
DJ, True!! Invite the neighbors to the party!
Robin, Fines are usually attached to the LAND, not the owner.
Homeowners don't get fined for parties, just told to keep it down.
And what exactly is a "party"?
Overall, my new buzzphrase - follow the money.
Publicity among LLs telling how proitable it is has caught the eye of city leaders.
Mayor: Who can we tax to bring in more tax dollars?
Tons of posts online say AirBnb's are making tons of money. Yup, they'll pay to keep them running.
How much can we charge?
Keep adding fees until owners start dropping out.
(kinda like us LLs raising the rent until people stop applying.)
BRAD --68.50.xxx.xxx |
New STR registry (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2025 1:10 AM Message:
PS
At Convention 2 years ago someone presented noise sensors, like smoke detectors, theat send the LL an alert over XX decibels of sound.
BRAD --68.50.xxx.xxx |
New STR registry (by tryan [MA]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2025 9:43 AM Message:
Many resort areas have long term housing shortages. This was the claim where my STR is. The permitting process was put in place to allow the town to gauge the housing supply.
I have no doubt at some point in the future STR permits will be difficult to get. Once some politician does a social engineering study. What they did "right" was have the permit run with the land ... not the owner. So it's transferable with a sale. --198.168.xx.xxx |
New STR registry (by tryan [MA]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2025 9:43 AM Message:
Many resort areas have long term housing shortages. This was the claim where my STR is. The permitting process was put in place to allow the town to gauge the housing supply.
I have no doubt at some point in the future STR permits will be difficult to get. Once some politician does a social engineering study. What they did "right" was have the permit run with the land ... not the owner. So it's transferable with a sale. --198.168.xx.xxx |
New STR registry (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2025 11:50 AM Message:
I can't find the actual text of this law that includes any "3 strikes" language. The news are reporting it, but I can't find the actual law. I did find the text of the registration part, but it had no "3 strikes" language in it at all. So, I'm curious to read what it ACTUALLY says.
It looks like the main issue here was that they kept having problems with tenants in STRs and had NO CONTACT information for the owners! I actually agree that is a problem. It isn't fair to neighbors and police that they are trying to deal with repeated problem partiers -- and have no way to contact whoever owns the STR.
Bad landlords are who have caused this to happen. They purposely hid their ownership so that they couldn't be contacted -- and then allowed partiers to rent their STRs and cause neighborhood problems.
I don't agree with the "3 strikes" thing (although I'd like to actually READ what they mean by that first) -- but I do kinda agree with the registry. I don't think it is right that the police can't even find out who to contact regarding a problem tenant.
I get that we want to remain as anonymous as possible sometimes -- but I don't think it is right that even the police can't find out who to contact regarding a rental issue.
--207.190.xx.xx |
New STR registry (by T [IN]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2025 4:30 PM Message:
NE- From my understanding and through grapevine.... a handful of homeowners scheduled meetings from mayor office and ALL county councilman. Before they ever met with them, had signatures from a good chunk of the neighbors. Had the local newspaper lined up writing articles about this house and "growing" problem of STR soon after the meetings.
Most of these homes are 3M+ on the "poor side" of the island.. ocean side 5M+. My guess, on a per sq ft basis... highest property taxes paid in the county. Those STR owners didn't stand a chance. Everything was lined before the first news article was written and brought before the board to be heard. There was small signs everywhere and stating "no STR"
Kind of think about it, if you can afford a 3M+ house and be retired... you were mighty successful at something. Be business, trading stocks, engineer, something. You are not a dumb redneck... they know how to persuade the local politicians into their point of view.
--170.203.xxx.xx |
New STR registry (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2025 8:19 PM Message:
The original party goers and party center are colleges. Where they might be STR, they would be MTR. Strangely though, I don't think this would be well accepted by the various colleges, especially the ones with Law programs. --173.184.xxx.xxx |
New STR registry (by Corles Stehlik [FL]) Posted on: Jan 21, 2025 4:20 PM Message:
New STR registry (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jan 22, 2025 7:20 AM Message:
I was on the advisory board for our township as the only landlord when they wanted to created some mega check list. I was able to help in scaling it back.
Now it is registry of who to reach out to in the event of an emergency or complaint, a section where the operator shows they paid the bed tax to the tourism bureau and a check sheet of safety items.
That list: Max occupancy, max parking, address clearly labeled both inside and out, smoke detector, and CO Detector. All safety items are self-certified unless the operator proves that they can't take that task on honestly.
I don't like having any instruction, but I understand the importance of knowing where you are at if you have to call 011 --173.184.xxx.xxx |
New STR registry (by Eli Stehlik [AL]) Posted on: Jan 27, 2025 7:01 PM Message:
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