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Grinch in Dec (by BRAD GRAYSON [IN]) Dec 1, 2024 12:23 AM
       Grinch in Dec (by RB [TN]) Dec 1, 2024 8:02 AM
       Grinch in Dec (by MC [PA]) Dec 1, 2024 8:17 AM
       Grinch in Dec (by Tony [NJ]) Dec 1, 2024 8:25 AM
       Grinch in Dec (by 6x6 [TN]) Dec 1, 2024 9:29 AM
       Grinch in Dec (by 6x6 [TN]) Dec 1, 2024 9:36 AM
       Grinch in Dec (by zero [IN]) Dec 1, 2024 1:16 PM
       Grinch in Dec (by MikeA [TX]) Dec 1, 2024 4:55 PM
       Grinch in Dec (by Joel Miller [PA]) Dec 1, 2024 6:27 PM
       Grinch in Dec (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Dec 1, 2024 10:51 PM
       Grinch in Dec (by Mapleaf18 [NY]) Dec 2, 2024 3:13 AM
       Grinch in Dec (by Mapleaf18 [NY]) Dec 2, 2024 3:17 AM
       Grinch in Dec (by S i d [MO]) Dec 2, 2024 9:45 AM
       Grinch in Dec (by Ken [NY]) Dec 2, 2024 11:43 AM
       Grinch in Dec (by Joel Miller [PA]) Dec 2, 2024 12:03 PM
       Grinch in Dec (by zero [IN]) Dec 2, 2024 12:58 PM
       Grinch in Dec (by Joel Miller [PA]) Dec 2, 2024 1:09 PM
       Grinch in Dec (by Nicole [PA]) Dec 2, 2024 4:16 PM
       Grinch in Dec (by Joel Miller [PA]) Dec 2, 2024 4:49 PM
       Grinch in Dec (by zero [IN]) Dec 3, 2024 8:11 AM
       Grinch in Dec (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Dec 3, 2024 12:22 PM
       Grinch in Dec (by Joel Miller [PA]) Dec 3, 2024 1:12 PM

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Grinch in Dec (by BRAD GRAYSON [IN]) Posted on: Dec 1, 2024 12:23 AM
Message:

Caution!

Winter always hits our renters with extra expenses - heat, Thanksgiving travel/food, Christmas presents, factory shutdown for inventory...

This year it's even worse. We are already feeling it with residents asking to delay Dec rent so they can buy Christmas for the kids.

Black Friday was a week later than usual and there are fewer paychecks before Christmas.

Only 3 weekly paychecks, or only 1 maybe 2 bi-weekly checks before Cmas.

Offer weekly rent to those who are too short on money.

And stay close on unpaid rent because Jan and Feb will only be worse with heat and credit card bills.

BRAD

--68.50.xxx.xxx




Grinch in Dec (by RB [TN]) Posted on: Dec 1, 2024 8:02 AM
Message:

Maybe, but think of all yer late fees,

new tenant applications and additional

dog(s) fees,

plus interest.

Kinda like a meat grinder on a Cattle Ranch.

--69.130.xxx.xxx




Grinch in Dec (by MC [PA]) Posted on: Dec 1, 2024 8:17 AM
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OMG...I didn't know it was coming. Love it when they talk Xmas money problems. Uh. They didn't move it. Been on the same date for how many years? True that your kid will remember an eviction more than what toy they got.. My people and business count as well. For a T that is a once in awhile, late but pays when they say no problem. Chronic ones get no mercy. --73.230.xxx.xx




Grinch in Dec (by Tony [NJ]) Posted on: Dec 1, 2024 8:25 AM
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Sometimes I'll go along with ONE delayed rent on a year with the following conditions:

We decide NOW on a future date we can both live with, ie December 15.

Tenant gives me an actual check for the full rent amount TODAY and dated TODAY - which I'll hold and deposit on the 15th.

It's understood that this is a one-time offer by me to "work with" the tenant and not a new payment arrangement.

If all goes as agreed I offer to a one-time courtesy waiver of the late fee.

I emphasize the check must be dated TODAY - no post dated checks.

In NJ and PA (probably most states) it's a crime to pass a bad check if it's not postdated.

A postdated check that won't clear is considered a promissory note and a civil matter, not a CRIMINAL matter.

Good luck. --73.215.xxx.xx




Grinch in Dec (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Dec 1, 2024 9:29 AM
Message:

Brad, are you just delaying the inevitable?

If they start the falling behind process, it is not going to get better. The weekly payment plan may "fix" things for a time, but I dare say, it will be short lived.

When you first screen these tenants to rent to them, what does their credit and payment history look like?

I suspect that those with good credit and payment history do not pull this stunt.

MC, perfect statement. "True that your kid will remember an eviction more than what toy they got." --73.108.xxx.xxx




Grinch in Dec (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Dec 1, 2024 9:36 AM
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Brad, just to add, those that originally sign up for the weekly or biweekly payday plan, likely also show a not-so-great payment history, and certainly not-so-great decision making as it cost them a lot more in the long run.

My guess would also be, that if we were to look at statistics, these same tenants have animals, and even likely are claiming the ESA.

Would it be better to not rent to these tenants in the first place? --73.108.xxx.xxx




Grinch in Dec (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Dec 1, 2024 1:16 PM
Message:

I used to have a tenant that would contact me every December to say she would be late with rent because of Christmas. Then she would pay three months ahead in January. I got used to it and allowed it.

If it was to happen today I would NOT allow it at all.

I tell them the same as mentioned above. It comes at the same time every year. If it is a one off I might allow it with late fees. Mostly I say find the money because being evicted over the holidays is going to be tough on you.

Oh and just for clarification the tenant from years back had no pets, unless you consider her three kids as such. --154.47.xx.xxx




Grinch in Dec (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Dec 1, 2024 4:55 PM
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Tony, just because it is a criminal matter doesn't mean much. In the counties around where I have rentals the county prosecutor will not prosecute for a bad check under $2000, simply not worth their time. Most places won't take checks any longer for this reason. I was even at the County clerk's this week recording some paperwork and they wouldn't even take a check. --209.205.xxx.xx




Grinch in Dec (by Joel Miller [PA]) Posted on: Dec 1, 2024 6:27 PM
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At lease signing, I emphasize that they must contact us by the first day of the month if there is any reason why we will not have the full rent by then.

So, when a tenant says they will be late and will be paying by a certain date, if it's more than a few days in the future, I tell them we will be giving them the required 5-day notice now (to start the clock ticking). But if they pay when they said they would, the notice goes away. If they don't, then we're already one step into the eviction process with no time wasted.

My best-selling book "Build Real Estate Wealth: Enjoy the Journey of Rental Property Investment" I have a very helpful discussion about late rent payments and the eviction process. It's available on Amazon. --184.56.xx.xxx




Grinch in Dec (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Dec 1, 2024 10:51 PM
Message:

We don't allow a one time late or bounce. If they ask for a delay we move them to weekly

BECAUSE

they are telling us monthly is too hard for them to keep up.

MY judge says letting someone be late or bounce sets a precedent of SOP Standard Operating Procedure which HE must follow if this goes to court.

Allowed lates? Judge must allow lates.

No late fee? Judge cannot allow late fees.

HELP people keep their home by helping them stay on track because trust me, it only gets worse. This it the tip of the iceberg.

BRAD --68.50.xxx.xxx




Grinch in Dec (by Mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: Dec 2, 2024 3:13 AM
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My stellar, responsible tenants have already paid December's rent.

In other news one of our handymen has just asked us for a whopping cash loan for "xmas for his non custodial kid, to buy s new mower, etc." He's very nice and polite and does good siding and simple manual work (very few actual construction skills) but he's starting a landscaping biz and going about it all the wrong way. AKA trying to start at the top.

Also his current wife doesn't work, doesn't have a drivers license and basically stands around with her hands in her pockets while he and his BIL do the work!! --64.246.xxx.xx




Grinch in Dec (by Mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: Dec 2, 2024 3:17 AM
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MikeA: Yikes! TX is starting to sound like NY! Hopefully TX well start under $2K check bouncing prosecutions again. Make Crime A Crime Again! --64.246.xxx.xx




Grinch in Dec (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Dec 2, 2024 9:45 AM
Message:

Just checked my ledgers this morning.

14 out of 17 residential rents due on the first have been paid in full.

10 out of 11 commercial rents due on the first have been paid in full.

4 emails/texts went out reminding we need payment ASAP to avoid any issues with the lease. Gotta love Buildium's automated process. There's not even a decision for me to make: it just happens when they carry a balance past the due date.

While I like open communication, I do not tell my tenants to let me know if for any reason the rent won't be on time. Yes, they should tell me, but I'm not going to broach the topic to them. If someone calls or texts me and says, "Hey, rent is going to be late this month." My response is, "We need to get you on a payment plan to avoid any issues with your lease. What can you afford today?" Then we set them up for $X due today and $Y due over the next few weeks in either weekly or bi-weekly installments.

Always get something today. If they still have a paycheck coming, they'll have ways to get something. Even if it's just a couple hundred $$$s. Never accept a text or call in place of a payment. That establishes bad habits that usually get worse. Worst case they can go to the Pay Day lender... unless they do NOT in fact have a job, in which case they are lying to you and aren't going to pay you next week like they promise anyway. Might as well get that lie out of the way now.

--184.4.xx.xx




Grinch in Dec (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Dec 2, 2024 11:43 AM
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Sid, when a landlord says let me know if you are going to be late or have a problem paying to me that says it is acceptable to be late --159.203.xxx.xx




Grinch in Dec (by Joel Miller [PA]) Posted on: Dec 2, 2024 12:03 PM
Message:

When they let me know they are going to pay late, they are reminded that they cannot take the prompt payment discount (which they can take only if we receive their rent by the 1st) and that there is a late fee after the 10th. This way there is no confusion about how much to pay. Forfeited discounts and late fees go right to the bottom line.

By the way, the "discounted" rent we receive on the first is the "real" amount of rent we wanted to get for the place, and it is the amount advertised when the apartment is listed. The security deposit we collect is the "face" amount of the rent which is before any prompt payment discount is taken. Never miss an opportunity to get more on a security deposit, including increasing it every time the rent is increased. --184.56.xx.xxx




Grinch in Dec (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Dec 2, 2024 12:58 PM
Message:

WMH convinced me to start increasing the SD with every rent increase. It is in my lease now.

I am still considering how I will approach the topic with my other tenants.

Wish I had picked up on this back when I started adjusting rents annually. It would have made it so much easier now.

But at least I am stepping in the right direction. --107.147.xx.xx




Grinch in Dec (by Joel Miller [PA]) Posted on: Dec 2, 2024 1:09 PM
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Regarding approaching tenants with an increase to their deposit when the rent increases, just do it matter-of-factly like it's the norm (it is). Just put it in whatever doc they sign to agree to the new rent. State that they must increase their deposit by the same amount as the rent increase so that it stays the same as the rent. Obviously, once you've been doing rent increases with a long-term tenant without increasing their deposit, you can't suddenly start requiring it. --184.56.xx.xxx




Grinch in Dec (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Dec 2, 2024 4:16 PM
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Joel Miller, why do you give a five day notice? You state above "required". I, along with almost every landlord I know in Pennsylvania, utilizes a waiver of notice. --98.237.xxx.xx




Grinch in Dec (by Joel Miller [PA]) Posted on: Dec 2, 2024 4:49 PM
Message:

In PA, as you probably know, a 10-day notice is required before going to the District Judge for non-payment of rent unless another length of time was agreed to in the lease. We use the lease provided by our professional organization. The lease calls for a 5-day notice for nonpayment, and no notice for any other violation of the lease, so the tenant waives the 10-day notice. The 5-day notice is customary (and what the District Judges are used to) in our part of the state. --184.56.xx.xxx




Grinch in Dec (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Dec 3, 2024 8:11 AM
Message:

Wonder if I can use a waiver of notice around here?

To be honest when I get to the point of filing for eviction I rarely give an actual 10 day pay or quit.

I should look into this in case someone starts to balk. --107.147.xx.xx




Grinch in Dec (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Dec 3, 2024 12:22 PM
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Our lease has a large space in the rental amount box. I split it in half and at signing I tell them what year one rents are and what year 2 rent is. Then it a matter of sending them a text and then updating the ClearNow App --24.101.xxx.xxx




Grinch in Dec (by Joel Miller [PA]) Posted on: Dec 3, 2024 1:12 PM
Message:

I used to mark in on the original what the rent will be for the 3 years in advance, and I may go back to that in the future. But for the past few years, with rents rising unpredictably, I started asking tenants at renewal time what they wanted to pay. They almost always offer more than I expected. Here is my post from 11/26 in "$30 rent raise" thread...

Are you ready for a new way to approach rent increases??

In my best-selling book "Build Real Estate Wealth: Enjoy the Journey of Rental Property Investment" I cover tenant management and retention in depth. You can find it on Amazon, but here's a synopsis of this technique.

First, I've been doing this over 46 years, and I have always raised rents on everybody every year so I don't get behind. But when the market got hot beginning with COVID, it became hard to determine how much of a rent increase to ask for because rents were moving up so rapidly.

SOLUTION: At renewal time, send the tenants a letter that incorporates the following points: 1) It's renewal time, but we don't know what to charge you because rents have been increasing so much. 2) Do your own research on what you will pay if you move to a similar apartment, and get back to me by (date) with the amount YOU want to pay if you stay here. 3) Our research says the rent should be $XXXX, and we have rented units similar to yours in the past few months(or you are aware of apartments that have rented recently) for $XXXX. 4) If your offer is acceptable, we will renew your lease. 5) We do not need to raise the rent for an existing tenant as much as we will if we rent your apartment to a new resident. 6) Remember that your lease requires you to give 30 days notice if you are not going to renew, so we need to work this out soon.

RESULT: Tenants will invariably offer to raise their rent more than you would have had the courage to ask them. I've had tenants routinely offer $100 to $150 increases. If you can't come to terms with them, REJOICE! You will now turn over the apartment to a new tenant with an even higher rent. --184.56.xx.xxx



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