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Jury trial (by John [NY]) Nov 23, 2024 10:53 AM
       Jury trial (by NE [PA]) Nov 23, 2024 11:17 AM
       Jury trial (by RB [TN]) Nov 23, 2024 11:18 AM
       Jury trial (by Jason [VA]) Nov 23, 2024 11:45 AM
       Jury trial (by Ken [NY]) Nov 23, 2024 12:25 PM
       Jury trial (by John [NY]) Nov 23, 2024 1:43 PM
       Jury trial (by plenty [MO]) Nov 23, 2024 2:39 PM
       Jury trial (by Richard [MI]) Nov 23, 2024 4:42 PM
       Jury trial (by John [NY]) Nov 24, 2024 8:50 AM
       Jury trial (by S i d [MO]) Nov 24, 2024 8:53 AM
       Jury trial (by MikeA [TX]) Nov 25, 2024 6:15 PM
       Jury trial (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Nov 26, 2024 7:07 AM
       Jury trial (by zero [IN]) Nov 26, 2024 8:59 AM
       Jury trial (by jonny [NY]) Nov 26, 2024 4:53 PM
       Jury trial (by John [NY]) Nov 27, 2024 7:34 PM

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Jury trial (by John [NY]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2024 10:53 AM
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Tenant waived jury trial and we had a bench trial in front of the judge. He had a legal aid attorney that got him out of paying half of the year of rent he owed as follows. I didn’t lay a foundation representing myself to introduce the lease as evidence so it was too late by the time I realized my mistake. Judge ruled the rent was $100 less per month since she didn’t have the lease. Also he introduced a photo close up of a crack of day day light at the bottom of the front door which I believe wasn’t locked with the deadbolt. She awarded him $100 off monthly rent for that. Then his legal aid attorney showed a picture of the ceiling in a living room with patches that were sanded properly but were painted. He insisted that was evidence of a leak from upstairs which she awarded him $150 off per month. His rent was very low to begin with so he ended up not owing a lot. The danger is he has been there 10 years and his attorney could try to sue for those things for the last 10 years which could add up to a lot of money if he were to succeed.this case only covered the last yea, so he couldn’t make any claim for the period before then. Perhaps he could in another case in small claims court or civil court. If I should sue him in small claims for damage in the apartment, it is likely he would counter sue for money back for those reason and any past issues that could have been considered a reason for money off the rent.

--76.38.xxx.xxx




Jury trial (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2024 11:17 AM
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You need a masters in landlord forensics to dissect this mess. --24.152.xxx.xx




Jury trial (by RB [TN]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2024 11:18 AM
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Next time, bring in Ironside. --69.130.xxx.xxx




Jury trial (by Jason [VA]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2024 11:45 AM
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Sometimes lawyers are cheaper than lessons --73.147.xxx.xx




Jury trial (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2024 12:25 PM
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Dont pursue this any further,get the guy out then rerent it or sell it.You didnt have a chance with that judge,i think he was out of line,if you had an attorney that would have made a difference.What city or town are you in? --208.115.xxx.xxx




Jury trial (by John [NY]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2024 1:43 PM
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The judge was very sympathetic toward the tenant. I’m two hours east of you Ken. I should have had a lawyer but I didn’t want to pay $1000. Most of the lawyers charge $325 an hour. Aside from the other court appearances, the actual trial lasted 2 1/2 hours. The judge was an acting judge that handled overflow from the regular justice. I lose sleep thinking about what he could try to do. I don’t think it safe to rent in NYS to lower income tenants in cheap rentals. It seems like they can sue their way to wealth for lead paint, lead water lines, any defects they experienced in their apartments, or trip and fall. --76.38.xxx.xxx




Jury trial (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2024 2:39 PM
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Do I read up on your post they the tenant didn't have a lease and you couldn't provide one either? --172.59.xxx.xx




Jury trial (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2024 4:42 PM
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Why do you do business in a place that has shown that they hate landlords? Get out and move your business to a better place or, if you insist on staying, just find a different way to invest. --75.7.xx.xx




Jury trial (by John [NY]) Posted on: Nov 24, 2024 8:50 AM
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I did have a lease andi handed to the judge and she marked it as an exhibit but had not entered it into evidence. She used a receipt where I had given money off the rent for a defect in the apartment to determine what the rent was.. there was also the drafty door, and ceiling reclaimed was leaking. --76.38.xxx.xxx




Jury trial (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Nov 24, 2024 8:53 AM
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One reason why I don't DIY evictions. My attorney costs $500. One screw up may cost thousands.

As Richard says, you can invest anywhere. Why choose a place that hates you?

Commercial real estate is a different animal compared to residential. All the tenant rights and what not don't usually apply or don't apply as strictly. Consider moving into C-REI if you want to stay in NY. --184.4.xx.xx




Jury trial (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Nov 25, 2024 6:15 PM
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Come on down here to Texas. The judge would have asked you what you wanted, you told him the $ amount and possession. The judge would have asked the tenant if they believe that amount is correct and if the tenant would have started in on leaky doors or a speck on the ceiling they would have been shut down very quickly and you would have been awarded a judgement and possession taking all of 10 minutes in the courtroom.

I don't understand how NY thinks that making LL's pay for this stuff helps in the long run. The only thing it does is cause LL's to raise rent to cover losses making rent unaffordable for those who play by the rules.

Wouldn't he have to prove that those conditions existed for the last 10 years? It could also backfire for their lawyer to go after it, you could countersue and prove that the photo of the door crack was because it wasn't closed and locked properly and that the ceiling wasn't a leak and end up with your judgement back. --209.205.xxx.xx




Jury trial (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Nov 26, 2024 7:07 AM
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What are lessons learned here and what do you plan on changing about how you do business? --24.101.xxx.xxx




Jury trial (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Nov 26, 2024 8:59 AM
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My lesson learned is to stay out of the big cities.

Sure there is a larger pool to draw from, and higher rents, but from the outside looking in it seems the deck is stacked against you, especially if you are a small operation. --107.147.xx.xx




Jury trial (by jonny [NY]) Posted on: Nov 26, 2024 4:53 PM
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NY is a very tenant friendly state now so you have to be on your toes. You can win but you can't let things slide.

One thing is that once (and I mean the SECOND) that the tenant is late you need to start issuing the 14 day notice and don't play any games with it. The longer you wait, the longer it will be. Depending on the judge (obviously) and the jurisdiction you could be at a loss or you need to calm the judge down (I had one in a village court where the judge is a hair dresser). I had to basically tell her what she needed to do (and I'm not an attorney, but I'm not about to have the tenant go and get one after the fact and reopen the case or something because the judge did something "wrong" or "illegal" without knowing it.

The city judge is harsh but pretty fair (so to speak). I've learned that if you look like you are "trying to work" with the tenant (like give them some time right before court to say "oh, I can pay you by a certain time" and that time works for you... do it. BUT - get it in the judges mind that if it's not paid, we want the WARRANT for eviction and we'll tell you what the judgement amount is at that time (when they don't pay).

I've now effectively evicted two tenants with that... they both ended up paying a piddly amount and then "nothing". The date came they said they were going to have it all paid in full and WHAMO - here's your eviction (or "here's your sign" haha).

I'm not looking to evict anyone honestly... but if they are the ones that come up with the "payment plan" and they don't do it.. then it's TOTALLY on them because "I was working with them" in the judges eyes. --67.253.xxx.xxx




Jury trial (by John [NY]) Posted on: Nov 27, 2024 7:34 PM
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I’m planning to sell the last of My properties. I secured the last two warrants which should be executed the beginning beginning of January. I’ve done over a hundred evictions without a lawyer. I guess it was a combination of the tenant had a good lawyer, I didn’t have one, and I should t have let him get so far behind. If I do rentals ever again it will only be high end places or out of state. I can’t see why anyone would want to rent when the cards are stacked against the landlord. They did change the law in 2018/19 in NYS to make it harder and slower to evict, and so this played a big role too. Maybe there is still money to be made fixing and flipping instead of renting by me. The tenant would have stayed and paid a sum if I had encouraged it, but I saw that as against my interests since he was paying at least $700 below market rent since I had not raised it much in 10 years. --76.38.xxx.xxx



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