Inspections (by Lana [IN]) Sep 11, 2024 10:45 PM
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Inspections (by DJ [VA]) Sep 12, 2024 12:38 AM
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Inspections (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Sep 12, 2024 10:33 AM
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Inspections (by Lana [IN]) Posted on: Sep 11, 2024 10:45 PM Message:
When you sell a property, how do you handle the inspection after a sale price is accepted? I have sold 8 rental properties in past 3 years and in my area the inspector always comes up with pages of defects. Just doing their jobs I guess. Then invariably the inspection is used as a lever demand a lowering of the negotiated price when I intend to sell as is and am asking a reasonable price. I am sick of this practice and usually negotiate a bit, but twice I just walked. Anyone else put off by this?
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Inspections (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 11, 2024 10:49 PM Message:
Depends on how neurotic the buyer is. --24.152.xxx.xx |
Inspections (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Sep 11, 2024 10:56 PM Message:
I am selling a flip and the contract calls for anything over $1500 needing to be addressed,there were a handful of stupid stuff but 1 that i felt was legit, the main electrical line coming in was not sized properly,i am giving a credit for that since it is not something the average person would look at and know it is wrong,what irritates me is when they want something repaired that they clearly saw and should know like a roof that is worn out then i say no you can take it like it is or cancel the contract.You can put in the contract something to the effect that an inspection is for there knowledge only and no adjustments will be made. --137.184.xxx.xxx |
Inspections (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Sep 12, 2024 12:38 AM Message:
Being sold "AS IS".
Inspections may be done for informational purposes only (quickly)
I clarify it verbally as I will not entertain a wish list of small items & personal preferences - knowing for certain that there are no safety issues.
Take it or leave it --72.218.xx.xxx |
Inspections (by Jim [CA]) Posted on: Sep 12, 2024 3:35 AM Message:
A few years ago the inspector went bonkers. A cement walkway was.25
Inches higher at a separation, the shower dripped for 10 seconds after off and 4 or 5 wall receptacles were not straight. I told the buyer I will fix the important items but not the foolish items. The water heater straps were not within the recommended locations.
The buyer took AS IS all the stupid stuff.
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Inspections (by Rick [IN]) Posted on: Sep 12, 2024 5:52 AM Message:
Answering the first sentence "When you sell a property, how do you handle the inspection after a sale price is accepted?"
If the price is accepted, I expect that price at closing or the deal is off, and the closing date should be within about a week of price acceptance As (by DJ [VA] stated, property is being sold "as is." --75.104.xx.xx |
Inspections (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Sep 12, 2024 7:42 AM Message:
To clarify: This is during a seller's market.
When it's a buyer's market, I "may" entertain a little bit, just to get it sold. because during that market, "AS IS" isn't accepted as well in an ad - it "means" there "must" be serious problems & owner-occupants won't even look at it, because they have many choices --72.218.xx.xxx |
Inspections (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Sep 12, 2024 8:46 AM Message:
Realtors and buyers have changed the meaning of "AS-IS", or so it appears anyway. Yes, it is very irritating. --76.129.xxx.xx |
Inspections (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Sep 12, 2024 8:48 AM Message:
Most houses are sold here "As Is Where Is." That's fine. But doesn't stop us for asking for price concessions if we find HIDDEN issues.
So we put a contract in at full price subject to inspections and due diligence. In NC you can walk at any time for no reason at all (it's bad for Sellers) so we are at no risk bidding full price.
Then we find something like a bad septic due our inspections period and we will lower our price accordingly.
We don't do actual paid Home Inspections but we have been known to call our roofer to look at the roof, our plumber to look at the septic, electrician to look at that service: hiring all these guys for their opinion is way cheaper than a Home Inspector - and covers all that we care about. The rest, DH inspects for himself. --173.28.xx.xxx |
Inspections (by jonny [NY]) Posted on: Sep 12, 2024 9:52 AM Message:
It depends on how it is written in the contract honestly. I do know that some agents have no idea what "as is" means and it is very frustrating for sure.
When you are reviewing the contract, if it states "we want to have an inspection on (whether it be a generic one with a Home Inspector or specific for roof, electric, plumbing, heating, etc because the buyer may be concerned about one or two specific items) it should be also written in there about a price amount (anything lower than $x or aggregate of $xx - meaning if one item is say $200 and the amount is $500 then don't bother me with it but if there are ten items at $200 that now makes it $2,000 and the limit was say $1,500 then we can discuss). The SELLER usually has the right to say "ok, I'll fix it or we can split it or I'll give you a credit OR- nope... not gonna happen, go ahead and walk".
Then, the BUYER can make a decision.
However, if you are selling "AS IS" and it states that and the buyer wants to make a condition on an inspection... BEFORE YOU SIGN AND AGREE to the contract, you can say "no, you can't inspect or "sure you can... but it won't have any bearing on the sale (for your eyes only) OR you can say "sure but I don't want to know about it... you either move forward with the sale or don't - no questions asked". Give them the time to do the inspection and you either have a sale or don't.
That's how you "deal" with it. Obviously this is most used in the "sellers market" vs the "buyers market" but it doesn't matter.
If the property gets into a multiple offer situation that's the best way because you can say "highest and best" and that usually will get you some that will be "no contingencies". --67.253.xxx.xxx |
Inspections (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Sep 12, 2024 10:33 AM Message:
When I am selling, I go through before listing and fix anything that is obvious.
If the inspector finds anything that is a hidden issue, or a serious health risk, I fix it because once the inspector has told me about it, I have knowledge of it. Otherwise, I have to disclose it.
I go through the list of things that the buyer wants fixed and I mark them either yes or no. If it is something that a buyer could easily notice before making an offer, the answer is no. I figure that they saw it, wanted the property anyway, so they can take it like they saw it.
You do not have to fix everything that the buyer wants fixed. Just say no. Then hey can chose to to through with the sale or back out.
I wouldn't mind the inspection if the inspectors were competent, but too many of them don't have a clue about what they are doing. --76.178.xxx.xxx |
Inspections (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Sep 12, 2024 10:47 AM Message:
Last two that I sold I put as is where is. I allowed inspections if they were quick but I made it positive that I would not be doing any additional work on the places.
Both sold fast, as is, with no inspections and one was a cash offer as well.
It helps when they know there are multiple offers on the table.
If your realtor is good and has your back they will just tell the buyers realtor not to make silly requests. --107.147.xx.xx |
Inspections (by David [MO]) Posted on: Sep 12, 2024 3:11 PM Message:
The last home I sold was just as you described inspection from buyer was not to their liking, so they walked away. Buyer didn't even ask for a list of items to be fixed or repaired. They asked for earnest money release and I signed. Today's buyer can walk for any reason after inspections. I did however get the inspection a week later and fixed the items on the list and put it back on the market sold to a new buyer and a different inspector. It closed. Ask for a higher price not a reasonable price. This will give you room to repair or walk. --67.61.xxx.xxx |
Inspections (by Sisco [MO]) Posted on: Sep 12, 2024 3:15 PM Message:
Keep in mind that are selling rental properties, which are commercial property of sorts.
Commercial properties go under contract, then comes due diligence. Due diligence always results in negotiation on price.
It is commonplace. --149.76.xxx.x |
Inspections (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Sep 12, 2024 8:43 PM Message:
Past experience with building and fire inspectors they have to any faults to show they have inspected rental unit or house. Reality is that at time apartment building and house was built there were very few building codes. The last apartment building had seal up all fire suite doors with door seals along showed fire alarm, fire extinguishers were inspected where last time was to change out sprinkler heads so would go downward. Showed the house across the road with three hydro electric meters where checked property tax records that this once a single family converted where to triplex without getting building permit illegally. Most jurisdictions they force to bring up to proper building and fire codes like noticed basement window no egress was possible in the event of the fire. You are paying property taxes on a single family that is no longer a legal triplex. If anything happens the insurance will not cover as they get sued --216.110.xxx.xxx |
Inspections (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Sep 13, 2024 6:34 AM Message:
I posted last week about that first time home buyer that had an inspection done on the house and found they needed (wanted) a new roof. The current roof doesn't leak but it is about 22 years old on a 30 year shingle.
The truth I see -
It should get replaced in about three more years. That was one of the reasons I considered in selling this place. It is a class B place, the market is good here the place should get some significant updates after being a rental that long.
I priced this so I got a full price offer on it by them in a couple of weeks. They wanted an inspection, bank financing and insurance for contingencies. The inspection, I am not sure who did what but they came back saying they had two estimates for the roof. I believe one was $28,000 and the other was $35,000. The number that my roofer gave me was $12-15K With a probable price at $14,000.
So when the buyer countered back asking for the price reduction of $35,000, I responded that I would give them a new roof and they could increase the price $35,000 to pay for it. Sometimes tossing that same brick that can upset you back at them works. In this case, they came back and asked for $8,000 price reduction. I told them I need to check in with my business partners - they would be all kinds of upset. After checking in with my business partners - me, myself and I at a Tim Horton's Coffee shop, we countered back at $7,000.
The appraisal didn't find an issue. I am told that insurance company was going to do a walk around the building at 3 PM yesterday. I was tied up doing a move in on a place we bought the day before. So I might have another transaction scheduled to close for the 26th I believe.
Of all the skills I have made money with, the art of haggling has made me the most. The difference in this case was about 20% of the sales price. Thank goodness blue tooth exist now a days so people in the coffee shop don't think I am crazy as I talk to those invisable business partners --24.101.xxx.xxx |
Inspections (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Sep 13, 2024 8:44 AM Message:
I heard that one of your partners is a pretty good guy.
Might just be a nasty rumor though. --107.147.xx.xx |
Inspections (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Sep 13, 2024 10:13 AM Message:
It's all part of the waltz of selling. Just like it ain't rented 'til it's rented,it ain't sold 'til it's sold.
My dad used to pay for his own inspection and post it as part of the listing. Then in the listing notes he put this. "This property is offered as-is, inspection report is attached. No contract with an inspection clause will be considered. Buyer will consider contracts with a 7 day option fee of $1000 in place of an inspection clause." He then instructed his agent to reject any contract with an inspection clause. That strategy makes it worth your while to negotiate and puts the buyer in the hot seat to make the deal go through since he has $1000 on the line. Don't do this if you are trying to sell to owner/occupants though, they will think you are being shady and will bypass it. The investors know the "get you hooked and then negotiate" trick so they will understand what you are doing. --209.205.xxx.xx |
Inspections (by Lana [IN]) Posted on: Sep 13, 2024 11:31 AM Message:
I sold two of my houses to the long term tenants with low brokerage fees. The other four were all sold where my broker ALSO represented the buyer. My handyman who has worked for both myself and the broker(also a landlord) for years told me that the man and he were talking and if broker is able to knock the negotiated price down for buyer after inspection the buyer and he split the amount saved. --216.23.xxx.xx |
Inspections (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Sep 13, 2024 2:07 PM Message:
For that kind of money if there is one layer of shingles have roofer install 2"/1" wood strapping then bolt metal roof right in roof, Here Vic West metal roof has 40 and 50 year non prorated warranty on a steel roof. The straight panel seamless is best option where install a ridge vent. If concerned about cooling costs then use a light colour. The fancy metal roof with patterns are not worthwhile as more time to install along larger panels are stronger. Shingles are absolute waste of money as a landfill product then blow off in high winds then not fire proof like metal. By the time the prorated warranty runs out then the roof is almost finished. In the EU countries they absolutely do not use or allow shingle roofs or garbage fiber glass insulation. --216.110.xxx.xxx |
Inspections (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Sep 13, 2024 4:52 PM Message:
Given that the broker didn't disclose that information to you he was NOT acting as a seller's broker and in your interest. I'm not even sure he was acting as a dual broker. It sounds like he was acting purely as the buyer's broker which is not good for you and may be illegal depending on what kind of contract he signed with you. I would be ticked and finding another office to work with.
Next time, insist that the listing agent and broker are under contract exclusively as a Sellers' Broker and Agent. That way contractually, they have only your interests at stake. --209.205.xxx.xx |
Inspections (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Sep 13, 2024 4:58 PM Message:
I was thinking the same as Mike, if that were my selling broker i would never use him again and have nothing to do with him again --137.184.xxx.xxx |
Inspections (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Sep 13, 2024 6:11 PM Message:
Agree with MikeA and Ken. --76.129.xxx.xx |
Inspections (by tryan [MA]) Posted on: Sep 14, 2024 8:00 AM Message:
This is market dependent.
In a strong sellers market you can tell them to pound sand. And take the next offer.
Strong buyers market .... you results vary. --198.168.xx.xxx |
Inspections (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Sep 14, 2024 9:52 AM Message:
I would absolutely turn that broker in if I had any chance at proving it.
I would also tell everyone and their kid brother about those actions.
Hit him and make his insurance cough up a little money. Not for the money's sake as much as a ding on his record. --107.147.xx.xx |
Inspections (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2024 12:22 AM Message:
Lana,
The first priority of an inspector is to not get sued. So they seem to OVER analyze and makes extra comments, SCARING the buyer with phrases like "windows look old" refusing to say the windows have not problems, and "Set aside money to replace the 10 year old furnace."
I hire a pro inspector at realtor pricing ($350).
He inspects fully while we write down the list on the spot. He does not have to take photos or write his report. (hours saved)
We fix the stuff and he comes back to check the list.
He now writes a CLEAN inspection report - "Everything looks good".
The buyers still get their own inspection but it's minimal.
I do the same with an appraisal and hand it to the bank's appraiser.
BRAD --73.103.xxx.xxx |
Inspections (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2024 12:27 AM Message:
PS If the buyers are using an FHA loan - like most first time buyers do - there WILL be a strict inspection and the sellers to fix those items.
BRAD --73.103.xxx.xxx |
Inspections (by Hoosier [IN]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2024 2:58 PM Message:
I was a home inspector for 7 years. A few ideas/thoughts:
1) Listing AS-IS helps, but that does not legally prevent the buyer from offering a lower price after inspection.
2) I recommend disclosing known defects as part of the listing. If you do that, and the inspector finds them, then it's not reasonable for the buyer to come back and ask for a lower price because their initial offer was made KNOWING about the defects.
3) As a home inspector, I advised my clients that if they did ask for repairs to be made, ask for invoices showing that a PROFESSIONAL did the work...otherwise things are cheaply done. You wouldn't believe some of the "repairs" I saw homeowners try to do themselves to make a sale go through, only for me to note on a follow-up report that it was still defective.
4) Typically the sales agreement has some verbiage that says only "significant" findings are subject to getting out of a sale...so you can push back on the buyer asking for "minor" things to be fixed or compensated for...but there's no exact definition of "significant"...so it's a gray area.
Good luck. --64.38.xxx.xxx |
Inspections (by mike [CA]) Posted on: Sep 27, 2024 12:02 PM Message:
i LOVE demands for repairs and NEVER do any, i instead offer $$ in exchange for a release of liability, a hold harmless AND an indemnity clause. since it is a negotiated exchange with compensation courts are loath to set them aside. ask your lawyer about indemnity. one of my best friends was a litigator for a local Re/Max and now draws them for me. you'd be surprised how many people sign them. only had 2 parties say no to the indemnity...they were smart --76.176.xxx.xxx |
Inspections (by mike [CA]) Posted on: Sep 27, 2024 12:04 PM Message:
brad, in my area the FHA inspectors have gotten way better in recent years, VA guys too. they were killing deals like it was their job and were reined in apparently. --76.176.xxx.xxx |
Inspections (by mike [CA]) Posted on: Sep 27, 2024 12:16 PM Message:
in the states i deal in there is no such thing as "as-is"...there is "as disclosed". sellers are expected to be truthful about the shacks and buyers are expected to do suitable inspections to assess and discover conditions the seller may be unaware of. Woodsmoke is right about his style of fixing previously unknown defects as they are now known and disclosable to the next guy. the deal you have is the one to close...just paper the thing, act in good faith and make it fair and square. if at all possible i like the buyer to do the work AFTER close so the tradesman is his and the warranty, if any, is original to him. --76.176.xxx.xxx |
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