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Safe Reputation (by Hoosier [IN]) Aug 4, 2024 2:29 PM
       Safe Reputation (by NE [PA]) Aug 4, 2024 2:42 PM
       Safe Reputation (by 6x6 [TN]) Aug 4, 2024 4:29 PM
       Safe Reputation (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Aug 4, 2024 10:40 PM
       Safe Reputation (by Rick [IN]) Aug 5, 2024 5:42 AM
       Safe Reputation (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Aug 5, 2024 7:35 AM
       Safe Reputation (by zero [IN]) Aug 5, 2024 9:35 AM
       Safe Reputation (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Aug 5, 2024 11:46 AM
       Safe Reputation (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Aug 5, 2024 12:17 PM
       Safe Reputation (by zero [IN]) Aug 5, 2024 4:46 PM

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Safe Reputation (by Hoosier [IN]) Posted on: Aug 4, 2024 2:29 PM
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The topic on smoke alarms got me thinking...

We did a lot of things in our rentals for safety reasons. And there are multiple reasons to make the houses safe. The most obvious being that we don't want tenants to get seriously hurt or die in our rentals because of something unsafe that we could have addressed. But there is a secondary reason...it helps you develop a reputation as a quality and safe LL. IMO this would go a long way in court if anything ever DID happen.

Here are a few things we did that were "extra" in my view:

1) Hardwired smoke alarms

2) Photoelectric smoke alarms (pricier) vs ionization type

3) Reversed the swing of doors that swung into a basement stairwell

4) Tested all houses for radon and mitigated if levels were high

5) CO alarm in each house

6) Supplied small amount of salt to put on sidewalks if tenants were moving in during winter

7) Put put bedbug test traps between all tenants, photographed results (no bugs in traps) and showed traps to tenants, having them initial that no bedbugs were present upon move-in

8) All entry doors to house or garage were fire rated

9) Replaced any splash guard in kitchen sink to avoid people sticking hand down where disposal is (if house equipped with disposal)

10) Set water heater on electric water heaters to no more than 130 degrees to avoid scalding

11) When installing new exterior door locks, we used 3" screws for the strike plate that go into the stud, not just using the 3/4" screws that come with the strikeplate...this makes it more difficult to kick the door in

12) Security or motion lights on every house where appropriate

So...let's say tenant does get hurt in one of our properties and we are taken to court. There are no guarantees, and the specifics will determine the outcome...but if I can show in court via our attorney that we do all the above on our properties...IMO we are much less likely to come down on the wrong side of the case compared to a landlord that does none of those things.

Yes, these things cost money...but when we got out of the business and sold our houses...I like to think that we did get some of this back in terms of value. We sold five rentals and did not have a single safety issue show up on any of the inspection reports.

--64.38.xxx.xxx




Safe Reputation (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Aug 4, 2024 2:42 PM
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These safety things need to be worked into the lease signing. Check the boxes. I wouldn’t advertise how I go over the top for safety though, just incase something goes wrong. You don’t want to point out that you said or did this safety as possibly a selling point and whatever it was failed. --24.152.xxx.xx




Safe Reputation (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Aug 4, 2024 4:29 PM
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Thank you for sharing the list. --76.129.xxx.xx




Safe Reputation (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Aug 4, 2024 10:40 PM
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For water heater a tempering valve should be installed at the water heater where if hot water tanks gets to hot then the tempering valve will mix cold and hot together. Hard wired smoke carbon monoxide alarms with battery back up are safer as can easily checked as green light is on. If battery gets weak then will chirp. Grade one commercial dead bolts with a passage lock so a key must be used to lock door. If a common hallway then the tenant get back in where smoke is in the hallway. --216.110.xxx.xxx




Safe Reputation (by Rick [IN]) Posted on: Aug 5, 2024 5:42 AM
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I really don't think it will matter in a court of law what you did or do as long as you -- or your contractor -- follow the local building codes. Having a licensed contractor and/or have the local building inspector sign off on the repairs would help.

This is where before and after photos and your lease comes into play. Keeping logbooks of each rental building repair requests and your actions to these requests are also important.

After a tenant leaves and the contractor is finished, I have a local exterminator come in to do an inspection to make sure no bedbugs and roaches are present. A copy of this is given to the tenant upon lease signing. --75.104.xx.xx




Safe Reputation (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Aug 5, 2024 7:35 AM
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I appreciate what you are doing. We both know that not all landlords out there have "safe homes" In many cases tenants don't know what they are looking at. A deadbolt requiring a key to unlock it isn't safe during a fire if you don't have the key for example.

I believe NE is spot on, as an attorney will go out of their way to prove that someone getting hurt was your fault. This is where these rental inspections that I totally hate, help bail my butt out when I had an arson occur in my 41 unit.

I had a fire fighter burn themselves and I was providing fire extinguishers to each tenant without providing training to my tenants. The rental inspection required the extinguisher in every unit under the kitchen sink. The bottom line, if anything does wrong - even if it is not your fault and you follow the directions to the letter, you still be under the microscope. You will not be comfortable period after a mishap occurs.

You have the right mind set. In your monthly business minutes, make sure to list these extra safety steps you have. Also make sure your tenants sign off on your safety addendum outlining these safety features work and are installed.

--24.101.xxx.xxx




Safe Reputation (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Aug 5, 2024 9:35 AM
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I do not supply salt at all. If it doesn't work well and they fall they can sue you for it. If I supply nothing and they fall then they have to sue Mother Nature and she has better attorneys than I do.

That is a pretty extensive list. I have done some of those things in all my places but I have never done all of those things in any one place.

Thanks for sharing. --107.147.xx.xx




Safe Reputation (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Aug 5, 2024 11:46 AM
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The reason to keep a building as safe as possible is that it reduces the chances that a tenant (or a guest) will get hurt. Generally, lawsuits aren't stand-alone. They follow injuries. So eliminate situations that might cause an injury as much as possible. --76.178.xxx.xxx




Safe Reputation (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Aug 5, 2024 12:17 PM
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I love that he provides a small amount of rock salt. If you have a small container of rock salt available at the common doorway, and the tenant walks past it when they walk outside, then slip and fall.......who shared in exercising the bad judgement? --24.101.xxx.xxx




Safe Reputation (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Aug 5, 2024 4:46 PM
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With the same thought process if that person throws the salt out and still falls maybe you provided bad product? Maybe they fall while throwing your salt out.

I am talking about SFHs where there is one person responsible and that is the tenant. I have the same philosophy for my duplexes as well.

If I start being responsible for the salt then I need to get up and head over to the places when the temps are going to drop. I could hire this done as well but to what end?

When I walk out and see ice on my walk I do something about it. I don't call the treasurer's office and say since I am paying property taxes on the place they need to salt it for me.

Now in a multi I can see where you would need to do it. Can't expect one tenant to take care of the entire building. --107.147.xx.xx



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