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Rise in Hoarding (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Jul 5, 2024 2:10 PM
       Rise in Hoarding (by Richard [MI]) Jul 5, 2024 2:35 PM
       Rise in Hoarding (by NE [PA]) Jul 5, 2024 2:40 PM
       Rise in Hoarding (by ken [NY]) Jul 5, 2024 2:47 PM
       Rise in Hoarding (by MikeA [TX]) Jul 5, 2024 3:16 PM
       Rise in Hoarding (by RB [TN]) Jul 5, 2024 4:09 PM
       Rise in Hoarding (by Gene [OH]) Jul 5, 2024 4:27 PM
       Rise in Hoarding (by ken [NY]) Jul 5, 2024 4:32 PM
       Rise in Hoarding (by zero [IN]) Jul 5, 2024 5:09 PM
       Rise in Hoarding (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Jul 5, 2024 5:35 PM
       Rise in Hoarding (by ken [NY]) Jul 5, 2024 5:40 PM
       Rise in Hoarding (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Jul 5, 2024 7:54 PM
       Rise in Hoarding (by 6x6 [TN]) Jul 5, 2024 8:52 PM
       Rise in Hoarding (by zero [IN]) Jul 6, 2024 8:21 AM
       Rise in Hoarding (by NE [PA]) Jul 6, 2024 8:30 AM
       Rise in Hoarding (by MikeA [TX]) Jul 6, 2024 9:46 AM
       Rise in Hoarding (by don [PA]) Jul 6, 2024 2:34 PM
       Rise in Hoarding (by NE [PA]) Jul 6, 2024 2:43 PM
       Rise in Hoarding (by Busy [WI]) Jul 7, 2024 10:07 AM
       Rise in Hoarding (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Jul 7, 2024 7:54 PM
       Rise in Hoarding (by Small potatoes [NY]) Jul 8, 2024 10:03 AM
       Rise in Hoarding (by don [PA]) Jul 10, 2024 3:03 AM
       Rise in Hoarding (by zero [IN]) Jul 10, 2024 8:35 AM
       Rise in Hoarding (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Jul 10, 2024 4:37 PM
       Rise in Hoarding (by zero [IN]) Jul 10, 2024 6:02 PM

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Rise in Hoarding (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Jul 5, 2024 2:10 PM
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Today's headline: Hoarding concerns rise as America ages

"The rise in hoarding disorder as America ages requires a national response, a new Senate report shared first with Axios says.

...

Why it matters: The prevalence and severity of hoarding disorder increases with age — and the U.S. population is growing older, making this a crucial moment for policymakers to address the condition.

...(health & safety issues, complex mental "disorder", occupational therapy not covered by insurance...)

The bottom line: America's aging boom "will require the federal government to address issues that it has not previously prioritized," the report says. Hoarding disorder is one of them."

BRAD

--73.103.xxx.xxx




Rise in Hoarding (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Jul 5, 2024 2:35 PM
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Knock knock, knock!

Senior answers door.

Step aside - hoarding police

Then they go through all your stuff and they decide what needs to go and what you get to keep (weapons, tools, etc).(For your safety - after all, they decided you have a mental disorder.)

A truck with city employees (unionized) comes and picks up whatever the hoarding police want.

City sells the stuff and keeps the money(to cover partial costs). City bills senior for the pickup and all associated costs and adds it to the property tax bill.

If senior resists or protests, they are fined hundreds per day and possibly jailed for obstruction by the city and that is also added to the property tax.

A short time later, city forecloses and takes the house for unpaid property tax.

Think it can't or won't happen?

--172.58.xxx.xxx




Rise in Hoarding (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jul 5, 2024 2:40 PM
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The last people that I would want solving the hoarding disorder in this country would be the Senate. Actually, any problems for that matter.

Maybe Gene, Ohio will chime in on this. I read two of the books that he suggested, one of them was called when money, dies and another one. I can’t remember right offhand. But there was something in one of those books that said, when the collapses the Weimar republic began, and the dollar started Going crazy with inflation, “the dive into materials began”.

We might see that again with our dollar and economy. The fear of being priced out of being able to buy anything will cause people to go crazy with buying things right now in order to get it. This might be more than just hoarding. --24.152.xxx.xx




Rise in Hoarding (by ken [NY]) Posted on: Jul 5, 2024 2:47 PM
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Richard- I could see that happening, of course for the good of the hoarder --74.77.xx.xx




Rise in Hoarding (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Jul 5, 2024 3:16 PM
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You don't have to look far to see this trend. How many new self storage facilities have been built in the last 20 years. Fifty years ago there really wasn't such a thing as a storage unit you rented, it's a modern solution to the rise in hoarding. --209.205.xxx.xx




Rise in Hoarding (by RB [TN]) Posted on: Jul 5, 2024 4:09 PM
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Good poke at the very real truth, Richard. --69.130.xxx.xxx




Rise in Hoarding (by Gene [OH]) Posted on: Jul 5, 2024 4:27 PM
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NE, when money begins to have no value, then necessities will become more valuable. The number one necessities are water, food, and clothing. Those things will help one survive and can also be traded/bartered as necessary. --65.60.xxx.xxx




Rise in Hoarding (by ken [NY]) Posted on: Jul 5, 2024 4:32 PM
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MIKEA- I live in a small town and over the past few years we have had a lot of storage units going up,i joke there are more storage units than households but it is getting nuts.I ask friends if anyone has one and very few of my friends even have one, who is renting all these places? --74.77.xx.xx




Rise in Hoarding (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Jul 5, 2024 5:09 PM
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Most of my tenants are storage unit junkies.

Moved a family from a 2/1 apartment to a 3/1 that they use as a 4/1 with a 1.5 detached and a barn that is maybe 12x16.

They had a storage unit before. Then bumped up to a bigger one. I moved them to the house and they factored in the rent increase minus the storage unit.

Been there since Feb 2022 and still have the storage unit.

More space means buy more stuff.

Another reason I want to downsize my house. --107.147.xx.xx




Rise in Hoarding (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Jul 5, 2024 5:35 PM
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My Grandmother said that during the Depression it was called SAVING stuff cuz you might need it.

The MANY hoarders we have dealt with were poor/broke. Hard to give up stuff that might be worth a dollar. They saw everything as valuable.

I THINK the article was trying to suggest classifying hoarding as a disease, worthy of insurance/govt $ coverage for treatment.

The hoarders I encountered did not want any help with anything. One lost their 3 kids because they refused to clean up their house (even after WE cleaned/restored their bath and kitchen)

Locally MY city started to fine ME (property owner) $7500 for an unsafe/unsanitary home even tho she had moved out.

BRAD

--73.103.xxx.xxx




Rise in Hoarding (by ken [NY]) Posted on: Jul 5, 2024 5:40 PM
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Brad, you need to push back on that hard,now it is the landlords job to keep the tenants house clean? --74.77.xx.xx




Rise in Hoarding (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Jul 5, 2024 7:54 PM
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Inflation is causing incomes to drop where those on fixed incomes are often buying used, flea markets and online. For example shopping at Habitat for Humanity restore can buy some new items that are returns for fraction of the price of the big box stores without the 13 per cent combined harmonized sales tax. For locks can buy 5 or 6 at once then can install later. Paid 10 dollars Cdn for Grade one UL rated deadbolt which would have costed easily $60 dollars Cdn plus taxes. Later will take out porcelain tiles than install in a bathroom. Suppose there were 3 good electric stoves at the restore where buy each one for $50 dollars then use when a stove is required as with rentals it may only last 3 to 5 years then scrap metal. Shopping at restore where buy where a hour later is gone. Take electrical where can buy LED light fixtures, metal switch covers for a really reasonable price. I only have bought used appliances for house except fridge. --207.236.xxx.xxx




Rise in Hoarding (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jul 5, 2024 8:52 PM
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Depends on who's door they knock on. --76.129.xxx.xx




Rise in Hoarding (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Jul 6, 2024 8:21 AM
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The hoarders I personally know are not poor or broke.

As a matter of fact one is much better off financially than I am. Not a high bar, but it helps to show all walks can have it.

Hoarding and trashy do go hand in hand but are not the same. I have tried to assist but it is much bigger than me.

While I believe it is a mental thing I see no reason for the gov to get involved in yet another issue they can not deal with properly. --107.147.xx.xx




Rise in Hoarding (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jul 6, 2024 8:30 AM
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Yes, there’s no reason for the government to get involved. You can see clearly how they are able to handle other medical things over the past 4 years. Because stock piling will also be seen as hoarding. They don’t want people stock piling. --24.152.xxx.xx




Rise in Hoarding (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Jul 6, 2024 9:46 AM
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So then, how long before hoarding becomes a protected class since it is a disability. --209.205.xxx.xx




Rise in Hoarding (by don [PA]) Posted on: Jul 6, 2024 2:34 PM
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why in the world would this be a matter for the fed govt? --69.141.xxx.xxx




Rise in Hoarding (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jul 6, 2024 2:43 PM
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Lots of reasons Don. When they can paint different subjects with a wide enough brush that is subjective and puts everyone under the label of hoarding, they can use that legislation for nefarious purposes. --24.152.xxx.xx




Rise in Hoarding (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Jul 7, 2024 10:07 AM
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I think the mental illness that needs attention is lifetime politicians. --72.135.xxx.xx




Rise in Hoarding (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jul 7, 2024 7:54 PM
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If anyone has seen my garages, you would think I am a hoarder too - guilty.

So how does one police how much is too much? I like having my spare tools and parts --24.101.xxx.xxx




Rise in Hoarding (by Small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Jul 8, 2024 10:03 AM
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Being thrifty and saving parts and things is one thing. As a ll I would welcone assistsnce and levers to deal with tv show level hoarding. If I was the neighbor to one of those houses and you were renting to them, and did nothing, I'd have a case that you the owner are creating a nuisance. Same as if you let drug dealers live there and took no action to remove them. Either case is where it is appropriate for authorities to become involved. --172.59.xxx.xxx




Rise in Hoarding (by don [PA]) Posted on: Jul 10, 2024 3:03 AM
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Ray, I would say it is too much when it reaches levels that you will never use and/or it is so disorganized that you cannot get to it or locate it to use it. I am pretty much right at the edge of those levels. --73.165.xxx.x




Rise in Hoarding (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Jul 10, 2024 8:35 AM
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I have bought items that I knew I had but didn't want to dig thru to get them.

That was an aha moment for me. I still buy too much but I am more selective and I have become a little more organized. --107.147.xx.xx




Rise in Hoarding (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Jul 10, 2024 4:37 PM
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My city inspector got a search warrant to force entry to see the interior of the home. There was not hoarding on the outside, bothering neighbors.

Absolute govt intrusion.

BRAD --73.103.xxx.xxx




Rise in Hoarding (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Jul 10, 2024 6:02 PM
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The old county inspector would walk up and demand to see the inside of a home without a warrant.

County had a lot of trouble because of him.

He is the same one that wanted to see an empty of mine and said that after I took care of the problems... umm, you have yet to see it. He replied there are always problems.

There were none.

He also told me if I used a place for storage I would have to get it rezoned for commercial.

Man I sure do not miss that guy. --107.147.xx.xx



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