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IKEA for rentals? (by Chicago LL [IL]) May 17, 2024 7:33 AM
       IKEA for rentals? (by NE [PA]) May 17, 2024 7:39 AM
       IKEA for rentals? (by WMH [NC]) May 17, 2024 7:44 AM
       IKEA for rentals? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) May 17, 2024 8:05 AM
       IKEA for rentals? (by NE [PA]) May 17, 2024 8:17 AM
       IKEA for rentals? (by Vee [OH]) May 17, 2024 9:18 AM
       IKEA for rentals? (by NE [PA]) May 17, 2024 9:27 AM
       IKEA for rentals? (by Allym [NJ]) May 17, 2024 9:30 AM
       IKEA for rentals? (by Chicago LL [IL]) May 17, 2024 10:08 AM
       IKEA for rentals? (by NE [PA]) May 17, 2024 10:21 AM
       IKEA for rentals? (by Busy [WI]) May 17, 2024 10:33 AM
       IKEA for rentals? (by Chicago LL [IL]) May 17, 2024 10:46 AM
       IKEA for rentals? (by small potatoes [NY]) May 17, 2024 11:19 AM
       IKEA for rentals? (by mapleaf18 [NY]) May 17, 2024 12:17 PM
       IKEA for rentals? (by MAT [PA]) May 17, 2024 1:19 PM
       IKEA for rentals? (by Nicole [PA]) May 17, 2024 2:42 PM
       IKEA for rentals? (by plenty [MO]) May 17, 2024 3:28 PM
       IKEA for rentals? (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) May 17, 2024 3:38 PM
       IKEA for rentals? (by don [PA]) May 17, 2024 4:25 PM
       IKEA for rentals? (by Chicago LL [IL]) May 17, 2024 5:00 PM
       IKEA for rentals? (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) May 17, 2024 5:21 PM
       IKEA for rentals? (by Vee [OH]) May 18, 2024 6:16 PM
       IKEA for rentals? (by CJ [FL]) May 18, 2024 9:58 PM
       IKEA for rentals? (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) May 19, 2024 11:01 AM
       IKEA for rentals? (by Busy [WI]) May 19, 2024 12:04 PM
       IKEA for rentals? (by Chicago LL [IL]) May 20, 2024 6:57 PM

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IKEA for rentals? (by Chicago LL [IL]) Posted on: May 17, 2024 7:33 AM
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Hi fellow LL,

Since the inflation has gone rampaged recently, I'm considering using more durable things in the rentals. Hence they don't need to be replaced frequently. For example, I almost have to replace bath vanity every time when a tenant moves out because of water damaged (spilling from the sink). Part of it is because I get these bath cabin from big box stores like Home Depots, Menards, etc. I want to get a waterproof bath vanity (if they exists). After googling, it seems that PVC bath vanity exists but it's a tiny niche. I don't know whether it's a good solution.

A trip to IKEA the other day let me to the discovery to a few of their bath vanities that have part of cabinet exterior (drawers, doors, and side panels) made from or cover with plastic or plexiglass material which seem to be waterproof. The frame inside is real regular pine wood, not compressed wood like what Home Depot sells. What do you guys think about IKEA furniture? Would they last longer than Home Depot furniture? Any advice is welcome and appreciated. Thanks.

--99.128.xxx.xxx




IKEA for rentals? (by NE [PA]) Posted on: May 17, 2024 7:39 AM
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--24.152.xxx.xx




IKEA for rentals? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: May 17, 2024 7:44 AM
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We don't have the issues you have with the Big Box vanities we get (cheap ones too!) but we have used an IKEA sink in a couple of places where it needed to be tiny to meet code. They've held up fine and come in interesting sizes and designs.

We have HUGE IKEA glass doors on our closet, smaller versions on our pantry and smaller yet on kitchen cabinets in our own house. We are as hard on things as anyone and so far, 15 years or so and counting and no damage at all. My DH leaves the kitchen cabinets all standing open like the ghost in The Sixth Sense and when I am in a mood I slam them yet - no breakage yet. --173.28.xx.xxx




IKEA for rentals? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: May 17, 2024 8:05 AM
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There are some areas where I don't cut corners. One of them is vanities made of plywood. Under the sink just seems to get wet routinely. Because this occurs so much, the added cost is a solid investment around turn over time. --24.101.xxx.xxx




IKEA for rentals? (by NE [PA]) Posted on: May 17, 2024 8:17 AM
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What is going on that youíre changing vanities at turnover? I have particle board vanities and kitchen cabinets that have been in units for years with no problems. --24.152.xxx.xx




IKEA for rentals? (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: May 17, 2024 9:18 AM
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A few years ago Brad had shown me a vanity he painted a liquid seal to prevent the particle wood decay. NE, you are lucky the cabinets are lasting more then a few years, water seems to ruin the bonding adhesive that make the fake plywood. --184.59.xxx.xx




IKEA for rentals? (by NE [PA]) Posted on: May 17, 2024 9:27 AM
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I understand that Vee, but where is all the water coming from? You have a vanity top. The back of it has a bead of silicone on it. Your faucet should have plumbers putty around it. Does everybody have a bunch of leaking traps? --174.240.xxx.xxx




IKEA for rentals? (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: May 17, 2024 9:30 AM
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I used some IKEA for myself years ago and found that the drawer bottoms collapsed and the screws came out and it wobbled and eventually came apart. I got bathroom cabinets from a cabinet installation place for my rentals and they have been used for twenty years now, repainted a little here and there and no problems. --173.61.xxx.xxx




IKEA for rentals? (by Chicago LL [IL]) Posted on: May 17, 2024 10:08 AM
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Thanks everyone for your reply.

WMH[NC]. Which big box store and vanity brands do you buy (that don't have the water damaged problems)? I would like to try them. I prefer to US standard when it comes to sizing and support USA businesses over IKEA.

Ray-N-Pa[PA]. Yep, agree. Aren't vanities made of plywood also susceptible to water damage (even though they're better to withstand water than compressed wood)?

NE [PA]. I never had problem with kitchen cabinets. Just bath valinities (the base under sink) that seem to get wet and damaged by water all the time. Don't you have this problem?

Vee [OH], Liquid seal? That sounds like a cool solution. What's the brand of liquid seal? I want to try it.

Allym [NJ], good idea. Actually all my kitchen cabinets came from a cabinet store. Their product material is higher quality. I should use their sink cabinet as well and coat it with liquid seal as Vee[OH] said.

Anyone knows the brand of liquid seal that Vee[OH] mentioned? --99.128.xxx.xxx




IKEA for rentals? (by NE [PA]) Posted on: May 17, 2024 10:21 AM
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No, I donít have that problem. I canít help but wonder if youíre getting leaks vs having tenant damage. --24.152.xxx.xx




IKEA for rentals? (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: May 17, 2024 10:33 AM
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I've had a lot of what could be described at tenant damage, or could be described as cheapo materials. The particle board cabinets just don't hold up well for me either. And, I don't like having to ding tenants' security deposits for something that SHOULD hold up. I'm planning on asking my husband to build plywood cabinets for my four little houses when he retires.

One of the thing I know does contribute to the water damage: the compression fit pvc. I don't glue because so many of my tenants get frequent clogs. I prefer to open the p trap occassionaly . But then, when a tenant leans against the sink, the fittings can loosen.

Glad you are asking this Chicago LL. I'm having these same issues. --72.135.xxx.xx




IKEA for rentals? (by Chicago LL [IL]) Posted on: May 17, 2024 10:46 AM
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Thanks for your reply.

NE[PA]. If this happens to only a few tenants, I would blame it on them. However this water damaged problems seem to happen to almost all tenants after they move out. So I blame the products. Most of my tenants (90%) are women. Usually women love taking long hot shower which creates lots of steam. Particle boards cannot withstand everyday heavy steam. We have lots of cold days in Chicago. Hence more steam from hot shower.

Busy[WI]. I'm with you. I hate to ding tenants' security deposit for something that should hold up. My theory is that steam from hot shower damages bath vanity (see my detailed reply for NE[PA] above). My next bath vanity would be more water resistance materials (solid wood, PVC, metal, etc) and liquid seal as Vee[OH] mentioned. --99.128.xxx.xxx




IKEA for rentals? (by small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: May 17, 2024 11:19 AM
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Here I was hoping to learn about advertizing a vacancy at Ikea! have only considered Ikea for small space solutions.

I have not had newer vanities fall apart as OP mentions. I typically caulk the gap all the way around the sink top. I also find shimming the unit a 1/4" or so off the floor prevents water from getting absorbed by the carcass. On the inside I put extra linoleum of such to catch any leaks. --67.240.xx.xx




IKEA for rentals? (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: May 17, 2024 12:17 PM
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We keep our eye open on Craigslist for people gutting older cabinets then buy them. They are solid and durable. --64.246.xxx.xx




IKEA for rentals? (by MAT [PA]) Posted on: May 17, 2024 1:19 PM
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Iím likewise perplexed. Iíve only ever had a bathroom vanity start to come apart when there was some sort of ongoing leak. Never had them fall apart just from steam. --108.52.xxx.xxx




IKEA for rentals? (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: May 17, 2024 2:42 PM
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For quite a few years when bathroom vanities need replaced I have been going with pedestal sinks.

Under kitchen sinks I use sheet vinyl flooring. --98.237.xxx.xx




IKEA for rentals? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: May 17, 2024 3:28 PM
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Pedestal sink sounds like an excellent solution. Also are you taking this damage out of security deposits? Do your bathrooms have fans? We have been covering the side next to the toilet with a sheet of white plastic and putting little leveling feet in the bottom to raise them off the floor. Maybe your tenants stay in the place a long long time. It seems like it would takes years for this to happen. --172.59.xxx.xxx




IKEA for rentals? (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: May 17, 2024 3:38 PM
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Any vanity that connects to floor there will always be problems with bottom absorbing water. Ikea vanities should wall mounted where put a 1/2Ē plywood then with 2/4' reinforce onto plywood as vanity must be able with with stand if someone sits on vanity. Ikea products are metric where converted to imperial measurement. It more expensive but recommend a porcelain sink as if someone puts a lit cigarette then no damage. It can take some time to assemble a Ikea vanity where if do in stages then should be easy. I like to support local products but if products do not suit needs then will buy elsewhere. A lot of manufacturers are using offshore for parts or materials. Ikea vanities can buy legs where it is better to have vanity completely wall mounted. When installed a double Ikea vanity made sure where will never be a rental that plywood along 2/4í supports vanity. Try out a Ikea vanity where will find out if that is the future. Like everything else in rentals there will always be a tenant who causes destroys things. Having commercial grade locks, steel receptacle covers minimizes that. --207.236.xxx.xxx




IKEA for rentals? (by don [PA]) Posted on: May 17, 2024 4:25 PM
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The IKEA material may be more waterproof, but the IKEA products are generally so weak at the attachment points that I still would hesitate to put them into a rental. --73.141.xxx.xxx




IKEA for rentals? (by Chicago LL [IL]) Posted on: May 17, 2024 5:00 PM
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Thanks everyone for your reply.

small potatoes [NY], haha sorry to disappoint you :-)

mapleaf18 [NY], yep CL is a good source of solid wood furniture. The only drawback is the wait time. When tenants move out, I want to fix it quick and rent ASAP.

MAT [PA], it's not quite fall apart, but it's pealing and worn. I can't rent the apartment out with that worn-out condition. Compressed wood is to blame.

Nicole [PA], yep I use pedestal sinks as well, but only in cheaper and smaller units.

plenty [MO], yes I use pedestal sinks as well, but only in cheaper and smaller units. No, the bathroom doesn't have a fan. It only has a big window. Yes, normally if anyone stay in the apartment more than 5 years, I need to replace bath vanity after they move out.

Robert,OntarioCanada [ON], thanks for all the wisdom words.

don [PA], Finally someone said this "the IKEA products are generally so weak at the attachment points". That's my concern. IKEA products are known for affordability and looks, but not durability... --99.128.xxx.xxx




IKEA for rentals? (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: May 17, 2024 5:21 PM
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Once vanity is assembled if use 2/4í before mounting to wall then vanity is reinforced. There is some space behind vanity to allow for drain pipes and water pipes. It is good time to 1/4 turn ball valves so no leaks or difficulty when water needs to turned off. Ikea faucets have low flow aerators where it takes some time to fill up sink. Also the sinks do hold a lot of water. Before installing sink then check all drains for leaks. A plywood base where the vanity can be supported at a few different points. Construction glue used on vanity than screws into plywood. View some videos on how to install a Ikea vanity where there maybe a few different options. --207.236.xxx.xxx




IKEA for rentals? (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: May 18, 2024 6:16 PM
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I have noticed some of my posts are not holding, that stuff I mentioned is called Flex-seal, brush it over the particle wood edges. Posted Saturday afternoon 6PM EST --184.59.xxx.xx




IKEA for rentals? (by CJ [FL]) Posted on: May 18, 2024 9:58 PM
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Not a furniture comment, but on how to save the cabinet. We have two methods: 1. Provide water leak detectors for inside the kitchen and bathroom cabinets. They cost about $10 each. Amazon carries them. They have saved 2-3 kitchen cabinets and 1 bathroom cabinet in the last 3 years, also we place them at water heaters, toilets ( saved us a broken water line at an toilet recently) and at washing machines. Another thing we do at the cabinets is buy those peel and stick flooring pieces that look like wood. Cut it to fit the bottom of the cabinet. They are thick and create a barrier to water. It also freshens up and creates a higher end looking cabinet as well as hides the stains. And it looks much better than just a painted surface (which we used to do between tenants). --174.225.xx.x




IKEA for rentals? (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: May 19, 2024 11:01 AM
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A floating vanity that is attached to the wall is the best option where any vanity that connects to the floor will always have problems. With a 2/4í Ikea and any vanity can be reinforced. Mounting with 1/2Ē plywood then connecting with 2/4í where the vanity can support a lot weight. When renovated bathrooms installed a Schluter ditra membrane then installed porcelain tiles on top where other then installing a floor drain. Ikea vanities have larger drawers where the drain pipe is concealed behind sink where the big box stores have a cut out space in the drawer for drain pipe. If there is sufficient space then s double vanity can be installed where for a main bathroom that is a major improvement. For rentals would only use a porcelain sink as some stupid tenants put lit cigarettes which leaves a burn mark. --207.236.xxx.xxx




IKEA for rentals? (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: May 19, 2024 12:04 PM
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Iíve had the peeling that Chicago LL mentions at one property. There is a Panasonic bathroom vent fan, goes on with the light switch. However that one was installed by an electrician, and it is noisy. My other ones were installed by ZHvAC, wired up by electricians, and they are quiet. I do know that the electrician did not cut the hole in the roof nearly as high up as the other ones, and Dang! Iíve had that house reroofed.

But, also, the house that has particle board cabinets peeling in bathrooms also had more people, including teenagers. So, probably more/longer showers.

I have trimmed off loose pieces of the finish material and painted the underneath particle board same as cabinet. Looked better, but not great. Within six months, more was peeling. I did figure out that I need to go over and clean vent fan grill probably every six months with some tenants, to ensure vent fan can draw air. Not something I really want to do. Most people no longer have canister vacuums with extensions to reach, and none of my tenants have owned a stepladder.

My thought with IKEA furniture is the printed finish layer will probably peel. Iíll have to ask my daughter-she put an IKEA vanity in her bath, painted it first. With her big family, lots of showers. --172.59.xx.xx




IKEA for rentals? (by Chicago LL [IL]) Posted on: May 20, 2024 6:57 PM
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Thanks everyone for your reply.

Robert,OntarioCanada [ON], thanks for the 2x4 and drain installation tip.

Vee[OH], Flex-seal it is! Thanks.

CJ[FL]. Leak detectors? Interesting. Yes, it sounds like a good idea only if I could convince my tenants to not tamper with them (most tenants took off the batteries of smoke/CO detectors). Cool peel and stick tip.

Busy [WI], glad to learn that someone has the same problem that I have. I think the steamy bathroom happens more frequent in the cold climate. I'll try buying a better quality vanity and seal it with Flex-seal as Vee[OH] mentioned. Let's see how long that make the cabinet last :-) --99.128.xxx.xxx



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