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Lead paint (by Dan [PA]) May 15, 2024 7:19 PM
       Lead paint (by 6x6 [TN]) May 15, 2024 7:49 PM
       Lead paint (by 6x6 [TN]) May 15, 2024 7:51 PM
       Lead paint (by 6x6 [TN]) May 15, 2024 7:52 PM
       Lead paint (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) May 15, 2024 8:19 PM
       Lead paint (by ken [NY]) May 16, 2024 12:18 AM
       Lead paint (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) May 16, 2024 1:03 AM
       Lead paint (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) May 16, 2024 1:06 AM
       Lead paint (by plenty [MO]) May 16, 2024 7:33 AM
       Lead paint (by zero [IN]) May 16, 2024 8:25 AM
       Lead paint (by Vee [OH]) May 16, 2024 9:09 AM
       Lead paint (by Robin [WI]) May 16, 2024 9:36 AM
       Lead paint (by mapleaf18 [NY]) May 16, 2024 9:41 AM
       Lead paint (by tryan [MA]) May 16, 2024 12:23 PM
       Lead paint (by Busy [WI]) May 16, 2024 2:59 PM
       Lead paint (by Steve [MA]) May 16, 2024 3:14 PM
       Lead paint (by Phil [OR]) May 16, 2024 5:27 PM
       Lead paint (by 6x6 [TN]) May 16, 2024 6:25 PM
       Lead paint (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) May 16, 2024 8:58 PM
       Lead paint (by Robert J [CA]) May 17, 2024 2:50 AM
       Lead paint (by don [PA]) May 21, 2024 8:41 PM
       Lead paint (by don [PA]) May 21, 2024 8:41 PM
       Lead paint (by zero [IN]) May 22, 2024 8:28 AM
       Lead paint (by Nicole [PA]) May 22, 2024 1:26 PM

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Lead paint (by Dan [PA]) Posted on: May 15, 2024 7:19 PM
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Tenant called today that her son tested positive for lead paint.

I told her to look at her lease. It states: Tenant reads and understands information on lead based paint and/ or lead paint based paint hazards.

The house is old and has been repainted several times.

She said the house has to be tested and taken care of.

Any suggestions as to how to move forward? --76.72.xxx.xxx




Lead paint (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: May 15, 2024 7:49 PM
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That doesn't sound good. Someone is looking for a free check.

Makes you wonder why the law requires us to put a copy of the Lead Form in the lease if it doesn't have any bearing on renting the place.

I will follow to see what others say. --76.129.xxx.xx




Lead paint (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: May 15, 2024 7:51 PM
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My guess would be that the son didn't test positive for lead paint, but for lead. Who knows wee he got that dose of lead from. --76.129.xxx.xx




Lead paint (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: May 15, 2024 7:52 PM
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wee = where --76.129.xxx.xx




Lead paint (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: May 15, 2024 8:19 PM
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The most common is the older wooden windows where it is better to replace as removing paint is difficult. Eventually will have to solve problem which is going to be expensive. They banned lead paint before the Us where not very common now. --207.236.xxx.xxx




Lead paint (by ken [NY]) Posted on: May 16, 2024 12:18 AM
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In my state it means someone from the health dept will go to the house and test it,if the test shows lead it doesnt matter if he got the lead at grandmas house you are still dealing with it.We do what the health dept says to do and they test again andd that is the end of it.If they go to a lawyer the lawyer asks to see your insurance policy, assuming your policy does not provide money for lead the attorneys drop it because as one told me we are looking for the low hanging fruit and that is insurance money.It is easier now than when insurance provided money and a defense, i got sued for $90 million once for lead and state farm after years ended up paying,this was after the attorney assigned to my case proved they had lead before moving into my house --74.77.xx.xx




Lead paint (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: May 16, 2024 1:03 AM
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Dan,

Here's how it happened to me...

Child acting up at school. Teacher suggests having him "tested" (for mental etc) so parent takes him to a doctor who does a blood test. Yup, the reason Little Johnny is acting up in class is LEAD POISONING, not the fact he is ADHD or learning impaired or his parents are divorcing...

This automatically triggers an alert to the Health Dept who comes to test Johnny's HOME (not his school, his daycare, the babysitter's house, HIS toys or clothes...)

The test includes samples of the dirt where he plays, wipe tests of the floor where he watches TV, kitchen floor, kitchen counters, window sills, and dig a picket knife thru the paint on the window trim down into the wood.

Do yourself a FAST favor - go NOW before the Health INsp gets there and scrub/wash down these surfaces and shampoo the TV carpet. A few years ago Chinese miniblinds emitted lead so change out any old blinds.

Not joking. Just a trace in any of these areas make YOU guilty of all Johnny's problems.

Get busy NOW to protect yourself.

BRAD --73.103.xxx.xxx




Lead paint (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: May 16, 2024 1:06 AM
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AND paint over any lead "alligator" cracked paint. The test will show lead in the underlying layers but the report will hopefully show it was encapsulated in latex paint.

BRAD --73.103.xxx.xxx




Lead paint (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: May 16, 2024 7:33 AM
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Sorry to read this. I would be awake all night worrying. Brad20k seems like he's been thru this. Good idea to be concerned and part of the solution. Kids spend time other places too, like Grandma's house. Show you care and start documenting everything, the first phone call, the day you were informed, kid's behavior you have observed at move in, etc. A daily log of what happens and actions. --172.59.xxx.xxx




Lead paint (by zero [IN]) Posted on: May 16, 2024 8:25 AM
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Kids who are on gov assistance and under a certain age automatically get tested.

Selling house on contract to another investor. He moved kids with infant in. They went to doc and kid got tested. Positive. Old windows and the yard were the main culprits even tho the kid was barely able to crawl and never in the yard.

I told the state about the sell on contract and they cut me loose. I did try and set up a meeting with another state agency that would use grants to assist in encapsulating or removing the lead. They never got back with me, go figure.

For windows I think replacement is the best option. Replace all the trim you can, wrap the outside with aluminum.

Painted stuff, from what I barely understand, has to be encapsulated. You can't just cover with regular paint. Maybe it seeps thru? I would think for walls you would save money by slapping 1/4" drywall over and finish as normal.

The encapsulating paints are pricey to say the least. Maybe it is like with the radon scares a couple decades ago. Again I am not sure. I know there are some on here that have done it.

I do agree that cleaning, wiping down everything and maybe even adding topsoil before the state tester comes will benefit you the most. As mentioned just because you have lead doesn't mean you are the only place the kid has contacted it from, but you will be the bad guy. --107.147.xx.xx




Lead paint (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: May 16, 2024 9:09 AM
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Lead is a 4 letter word that spells trouble, school age children get tested until they are 7 years old, your place will be tested in the window troughs, the floor below the windows, 2 ft out and 4 ft wide, 2 entry doors the floor same size as window floor test - it is a EPA controlled test, I have been doing this since 2003 and recently many metropolitan cities have been requiring this on homes built before 1978, the peeling-chippin-cracking pained surfaces are the biggest offendors, kids hold window sills looking outdoors when they are young, unfortunately dogs chew this same surface leaving particles that kids eat getting them sick almost a easily as kissing or sleeping with the dog who brings it inside from contaminated soil. The soil in the big cities has been contaminated by furniture, milk - ice, mail delivery and service trucks so the topsoil covering help contain that part, I get in heated discussions with health care and city officials often, the best answer I have came up with is going to a virgin planet, when can we get on board? --184.59.xxx.xx




Lead paint (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: May 16, 2024 9:36 AM
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I'm going through this right now. Tenant's two-year-old just tested positive for lead poisoning. She's a single mom with six kids under the age of 12 and supervision is minimal at best. (No toys in the house and I've heard reports of them playing in the trash carts.)

The county came out and did a thorough inspection, without my knowledge. They used a gun and took dust samples to identify problem areas. I then got a seventy-page report identifying the problem areas and ordering me to cure them within the next 90 days. All work to be done by a licensed lead contractor.

The good thing is, the inspector is reasonable. There are so many houses around here with lead that they really do seem to be focused on problem-solving rather than crucifying the greedy landlord.

Problem is, there aren't enough contractors to go around, because ALL the houses here were built in the early 1900s. God is good, though. Turns out one of my trusted handymen took the lead classes and passed, just never got his license. And another guy I know who DOES have his license but doesn't have time to do the work will supervise and sign off. God is good.

The work in my case was minimal: replace the two exterior doors and three basement windows, and address the paint on the coal chute door. In fact, the inspector said he'd never seen a property in such good condition. We'll get it done in the next few weeks and move on.

A couple of things I've found out in the process:

1) Lead poisoning from dust takes months if not years to develop. They've been in my property six months.

2) Lead poisoning from eating paint chips requires eating a LOT of paint chips. One of the doors was flaking a little bit. No way they got it from that.

3) The county has inspectors that may drop by to make sure the work is being done properly and that the tenants have vacated whie the work is being done. You have to notify the state of the specific dates that the work is being done so they know when to come by. So my guy schedules his work to be done on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. He says in 28 years of doing this he's never seen an inspector. :)

4) The advantage of having tenants from other countries is that they are less likely to sue!

--104.230.xxx.xxx




Lead paint (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: May 16, 2024 9:41 AM
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They uses those XRF guns now so no amount of painting over, etc. will clear the issue.

P.S. lead is actually in chocolate.

We have old houses so I'm sending DH to "lead school" next month. Should be interesting. There's a youtube video "Section 8 Queen from Detroit" that goes over the lead abatement process. These zealots don't care WHERE the kid got the lead nor other factors such as 24/7 crack smoke, screens, junk food, etc. --64.246.xxx.xx




Lead paint (by tryan [MA]) Posted on: May 16, 2024 12:23 PM
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I said on another thread ... my lead suit was from a DELEADED unit. Little Johnny spent all day with a baby sitter whose house was not deleaded.

Case closed. In MA in the hood lead paint poison means lawyer-up . Your results may vary. --198.168.xx.xxx




Lead paint (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: May 16, 2024 2:59 PM
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When I went through a tenantís child having lead, I quickly went over with ANOTHER copy of the lead handbook, and a big box of supplies, cleaning supplies, foods that are known to help ( off top of my head: oatmeal, I brought the fruit assortment that my kids liked, baked beans, yogurt tubes, string cheese) paper towels, Spic n Span. I showed them in the booklet where the food suggestions were, where the cleaning suggestions were. Then I told them to let me know when the inspector was coming, I wanted to learn more about what I should do. I did say I was sorry your child is going through this, relayed the story of my godson who is now grown and fine, but tested high enough to need chelation treatment at six years old. They did tell me when inspector was on the way, so I met them at the unit.

I KNOW others will tell you to absolutely NOT say you are sorry this happened. I just believe differently.

Anyway, end result, I chose to replace all windows, though only the two that were replaced in late 1970s had lead. Older ones apparently did not. At the time, my city was NOT following EPA protocol, or HUD protocol or whatever federal agency oversees this. City got in trouble for their mishandled program.

Child tested lower and lower at successive tests. Childís preschool, grandparentsí homes were also tested. One grandma was evicted. Not sure of details. The city inspector and the parents were happy with how I handled things. Nothing further came if it.

--172.59.xx.x




Lead paint (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: May 16, 2024 3:14 PM
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As my fellow MA LL Tyran said it's time to lawyer up. IMO when it comes to a child testing positive for lead poisoning, you're guilty until proven innocent. Even though for the most part lead rules & regulation are federally driven the enforcement of them varies not only from state to state but from areas to areas within the same state.

If you do end up getting legal counsel to represent you, I strongly recommend that you discuss the possibility of instituting a counter suit against the parents for allowing their child to live and or visit a place where lead paint was used. --96.233.xxx.xx




Lead paint (by Phil [OR]) Posted on: May 16, 2024 5:27 PM
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Make sure that you provide the lead paint booklet and HAVE TENANTS SIGN THE official EPA LEAD PAINT DISCLOSURE. Keep a copy attached to the contract...

If you don't have a signed lead paint disclosure--you can be in deep ###t.

Had a Federal agent come and go thru my files once...I passed just fine. The prior property management company (prior to me buying) did not fair so well. That Agent spent MONTHS going thru their files. --76.138.xxx.xxx




Lead paint (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: May 16, 2024 6:25 PM
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"Make sure that you provide the lead paint booklet and HAVE TENANTS SIGN THE official EPA LEAD PAINT DISCLOSURE. Keep a copy attached to the contract."

Shouldn't that keep someone from being able to sue you?

If not, then what is the point? --76.129.xxx.xx




Lead paint (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: May 16, 2024 8:58 PM
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Are you RRP certified? If so now is to check your paperwork to make sure its up to date --24.101.xxx.xxx




Lead paint (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: May 17, 2024 2:50 AM
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If you want to know who's fault this was, just look in a mirror.

I purchased a 4-plex back in 1997, built in 1922. Lead paint everywhere. Didn't matter that I make my tenants read and sign "Lead Safe Practices" handbook. I had to deal with the lead paint, either thru encapsulation or removal.

So I removed my 4 tenants and got to work. I installed 1/4" thick drywall over all walls and ceilings. With all of the wood molding, trim, doors and windows, I used special techniques to Sand, Seal, Prime and Paint over those area with a flexible paint and primer. These bonded to the old surfaces and would not peal and could contract and expand with the weather. I then used an orange peal texture over the drywall and then painted over it.

No my hunk of junk property shined and I got double rents. --47.155.xx.x




Lead paint (by don [PA]) Posted on: May 21, 2024 8:41 PM
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Get an experienced attorney. Damages from lifelong mental impairment of a child are much bigger than construction costs. The renovations must be done the right way or else you could dump MORE lead dust into the situation.

Does not help you now, but this is why when I buy a place and renovate it I remove and replace all of the woodwork, doors, and windows. Those items are where lead paint was usually used. I do not test them, as I do not want to KNOW it is lead-----I am just doing it as part of my remodeling.

I don't care if the moulding was hand carved by Leonardo Da Vinci and brought over from ancient Italy, if it has paint on it it is getting ripped out and tossed away! --73.141.xxx.xxx




Lead paint (by don [PA]) Posted on: May 21, 2024 8:41 PM
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Get an experienced attorney. Damages from lifelong mental impairment of a child are much bigger than construction costs. The renovations must be done the right way or else you could dump MORE lead dust into the situation.

Does not help you now, but this is why when I buy a place and renovate it I remove and replace all of the woodwork, doors, and windows. Those items are where lead paint was usually used. I do not test them, as I do not want to KNOW it is lead-----I am just doing it as part of my remodeling.

I don't care if the moulding was hand carved by Leonardo Da Vinci and brought over from ancient Italy, if it has paint on it it is getting ripped out and tossed away! --73.141.xxx.xxx




Lead paint (by zero [IN]) Posted on: May 22, 2024 8:28 AM
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Don, I agree with just replacing the old stuff.

On the other hand if I had the proof that Da Vinci had done the work I would sell it all and get the funds for a full rehab. --107.147.xx.xx




Lead paint (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: May 22, 2024 1:26 PM
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... I strongly recommend that you discuss the possibility of instituting a counter suit against the parents for allowing their child to live and or visit a place where lead paint was used...

how could you possibly do this? You don't have standing. What would your damages be? Perhaps, as so often, I am confused --98.237.xxx.xx



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