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Entitled Much (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) May 14, 2024 10:10 AM
       Entitled Much (by RB [TN]) May 14, 2024 10:43 AM
       Entitled Much (by Richard [MI]) May 14, 2024 10:53 AM
       Entitled Much (by plenty [MO]) May 14, 2024 10:54 AM
       Entitled Much (by Phil [OR]) May 14, 2024 11:29 AM
       Entitled Much (by Allym [NJ]) May 14, 2024 11:31 AM
       Entitled Much (by Dupexer [IL]) May 14, 2024 11:55 AM
       Entitled Much (by NE [PA]) May 14, 2024 11:58 AM
       Entitled Much (by ken [NY]) May 14, 2024 12:08 PM
       Entitled Much (by Vee [OH]) May 14, 2024 1:28 PM
       Entitled Much (by plenty [MO]) May 14, 2024 2:19 PM
       Entitled Much (by Busy [WI]) May 14, 2024 3:39 PM
       Entitled Much (by ken [NY]) May 14, 2024 3:49 PM
       Entitled Much (by NE [PA]) May 14, 2024 3:51 PM
       Entitled Much (by Busy [WI]) May 14, 2024 4:10 PM
       Entitled Much (by ken [NY]) May 14, 2024 4:19 PM
       Entitled Much (by mapleaf18 [NY]) May 14, 2024 4:33 PM
       Entitled Much (by Busy [WI]) May 14, 2024 4:36 PM
       Entitled Much (by 6x6 [TN]) May 14, 2024 8:46 PM
       Entitled Much (by 6x6 [TN]) May 14, 2024 8:50 PM
       Entitled Much (by 6x6 [TN]) May 14, 2024 8:58 PM
       Entitled Much (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) May 14, 2024 9:29 PM
       Entitled Much (by 6x6 [TN]) May 14, 2024 9:42 PM
       Entitled Much (by 6x6 [TN]) May 14, 2024 9:45 PM
       Entitled Much (by ken [NY]) May 14, 2024 9:48 PM
       Entitled Much (by 6x6 [TN]) May 14, 2024 9:54 PM
       Entitled Much (by zero [IN]) May 15, 2024 9:14 AM
       Entitled Much (by NE [PA]) May 15, 2024 9:49 AM
       Entitled Much (by plenty [MO]) May 15, 2024 9:54 AM
       Entitled Much (by zero [IN]) May 15, 2024 5:49 PM

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Entitled Much (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 10:10 AM
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I have a vacancy coming up. An executive level house that is the most expensive rent listed as available in the entire county. So I get a call from a Section 8 tenant, wanting to know if I will rent the house to them.

Seriously. With a straight face, this person apparently honestly believes that they deserve a very expensive big custom built house in an exclusive neighborhood and paid for by the taxpayers.

The rent happens to be almost $800 more than Section 8 allows for a three bedroom house but obviously, that was not even taken into consideration. I didn't bother to ask how they intended to pay the rent. I just said "sorry, but no"

Probably believes that they deserve to live in a house that nice. --76.178.xxx.xxx




Entitled Much (by RB [TN]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 10:43 AM
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More of this going on than anyone could possibly imagine. --69.130.xxx.xxx




Entitled Much (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 10:53 AM
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Next they will likely try to have their free lawyer take the place from you because ... --172.58.xxx.xxx




Entitled Much (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 10:54 AM
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I would have said the same however note that section 8 has some programs for their clients to get them into high opportunity areas. And I have two of those families who are higher educated and higher goals and are extremely responsible. It's maybe not so much entitlement as it is if you have a good property in an excellent area everyone will want that. Your discernment is key --172.59.xxx.xx




Entitled Much (by Phil [OR]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 11:29 AM
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What, she didn't ask you to reduce the rent because hers is "guaranteed" to be paid? --76.138.xxx.xxx




Entitled Much (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 11:31 AM
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Kind of makes me think they have a "side hustle" that would easily make up the difference. Something that no one knows about. --173.61.xxx.xxx




Entitled Much (by Dupexer [IL]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 11:55 AM
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So this person can't work a regular job and pay for their housing like everyone else.... but they want all of us to chip in for a Section 8 voucher so they can not just have a free place, but a free place in a better neighborhood than all the other people who are working and paying their mortgages or rent?

And some agency apparently agrees. "High Opportunity Areas",

So they can hopefully be boosted above them in lifestyle? Will they work then?

OMG.

--23.123.xx.xxx




Entitled Much (by NE [PA]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 11:58 AM
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We need a parallel society. Leave them to their own demise. --174.249.xx.xx




Entitled Much (by ken [NY]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 12:08 PM
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plenty highly educated and higher goals but they are on section 8, still losers in my book --74.77.xx.xx




Entitled Much (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 1:28 PM
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The Ray Charles case workers would not catch this - good thing you did. 6-10 years ago my area sec8 was allowing this stuff, then the inspectors had HUD cars towed out of the tenants snowed in units while the TV news took footage, we are at it again but now it is maintenance trucks taking the kids to school. Bring popcorn... --184.59.xxx.xx




Entitled Much (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 2:19 PM
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Ken, nope. I challenge your thinking. I have two young ladies who are section 8 excelling. Working and going to college. One will because dentist. But she needs the program as it "has her back" they both speak well and will break be transition generation of their family tree. They keep a nice house, they take responsibility for any damage their kids cause, they keep themselves well groomed and their kids are polite. I had to say "no" to about 25 section 8 applications before I got this family. It's a high opportunity areas and they stepped up to the plate. --172.59.xxx.xxx




Entitled Much (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 3:39 PM
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Plenty, glad to see that. My daughter and her husband took advantage of Foodshare, Wic, whatever they could when they were first married. She was going to school, working part-time, and having babies. He worked full-time, but wasn’t making much. Once she finished school, she worked full-time, and then some, he went to school. And, they had more babies. Now they both have good jobs, probably have paid back in taxes all the benefits they got by now. They had bought a house that very first year, used the energy assistance program to update weatherization, and help pay the bills early on.

So many young women put off having children for schooling and getting career going, then when they want to have a baby, its too late. That biological clock doesn’t care if you want to get a masters. Had they not gotten assistance, I don’t think they’d have their good jobs. If they’d not had all those kids, they wouldn’t be as driven to succeed.

It might be a crazy way to do things, but it sure worked. --172.59.xx.xxx




Entitled Much (by ken [NY]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 3:49 PM
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and that is why our taxes our so high. anyone making me pay there bills is a loser as far as i am concerned --74.77.xx.xx




Entitled Much (by NE [PA]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 3:51 PM
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I agree. Dental school and on Sec 8? Come on. --24.152.xxx.xx




Entitled Much (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 4:10 PM
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So, only the wealthy can get into dental school? Or, have a lifetime if debt? Lordy, I am becoming more liberal/socialist as I get older. Thought it was supposed to work the other way?

Come to think of it, my dad was always proud to be conservative. Yet, he accepted social security in retirement even though, as a farmer, I don’t believe he contributed. He accepted price subsidies, and even participated once in leaving some of his fields fallow and got paid for that.

In both my daughter’s case, and the young woman becoming a dentist, both will have paid back everything they got in benefits with just their first dozen or so years of work, at much higher than average wages. They’ll continue to pay taxes, so others benefit.

What riles me, chaps my hide are the people collecting benefits but NOT using that time for bettering their job skill sets. Obviously, someone completely disabled might not, but that is unusual. My daughter and her husband weren’t out partying, or just hangin’ out. --172.59.xx.xxx




Entitled Much (by ken [NY]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 4:19 PM
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dont have to be wealthy to get into dental school,could take student loans,quite frankly i dont care if they go or not but i dont see why it should cost me money. they could still be productive without going to college,they will pay it back in taxes is just an excuse --74.77.xx.xx




Entitled Much (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 4:33 PM
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There was a time that I qualified for discounted school lunch for my kids, daycare, etc.

I did not stay on these programs but continued to climb the ladder so I wouldn't need it anymore. And no, I received no child support although doing a whack a mole, especially with my first ex husband.

I have a problem with those who stay on it for their entire lifetime or worse yet, generations but have an illegal side hustle.

And no, these S8 tenants shouldn't be demanding the Taj Mahal. --64.246.xxx.xx




Entitled Much (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 4:36 PM
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Used to be one could take student loans for dental school an expect to pay it back at a reasonable time. Unfortunately, and probably because if student loans, now dental and medical costs are so high that graduates might not be out of debt by retirement. Not that that is an excuse, and I absolutely do not want student debt forgiveness.

But, just as theSection 8 program raises rents, so do student loans raise tuition. How to fix this? I don’t have the answer. I would just much, much rather have the people receiving benefits to be working their but off to get an education rather than not doing anything to further their job prospects. Hhhhmmmm … I think good old governor Tommy Thompson called that workfare. --172.59.xx.xxx




Entitled Much (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 8:46 PM
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If you keep kicking someone down, do they have a chance to get up?

Several thoughts run through my mind while reading this post and responses. This is one of those post that I will ponder for days and nights.

I am not 100% sure, but rather about 99% sure, that when I was growing up, we must have been on Section 8. I know for a fact that we got help from others, mainly church people, because I remember walking to places sometimes to get food or other assistance. I remember my older sister and myself rocking in rocking chairs one night around midnight very hungry because we didn't have anything to eat, and we were waiting for someone from church to bring us food. I remember that right after my parents got a divorce, living in a shelter home for women and kids and walking to school each day. I moved around my whole childhood and early teens and went to several different schools. It is practically impossible to keep up with school education and you have few friends. The friends you do make are short lived because you end up moving again. I grew up in an isolated environment at home because of little interaction with family or friends. Things like this do not leave your mind and are not easy to overcome. Luckily, most of my childhood I don't remember. I do however remember setting goals when I was a young teen because I knew that I did not want this life as an adult. These were not elaborate goals as I didn't know how to have those. They were simple, like; I want a house when I turn X age, or I want to have a truck when I turn X age. I didn't even really realize what I was actually doing and that it was something that everyone should do. But I did it and it worked. As the years went by and I looked back at things that I remembered and I started realizing certain things about what the reality was, I became very bitter and angry. I see things so differently now that I have learned some things about life and reality.

For these reasons, I have no desire to go back and relive my life, however, I would like to get a closer look at things back then with the Knowledge that I have now. I wouldn't be able to change parents' bad decisions, but it may give me a clearer picture of the facts.

This is also why that I can see both sides of the argument. On the one hand, if it were not for help from others, would I be here today? On the other hand, people should not have kids if they can't afford them. They should not become dependent on others to provide their way in life. I have watched a few live their whole entire lives this way and still are. In fact, it makes me mad. Why? Because I am proof that it doesn't have to be that way. So, I can see the argument from all sides. I see Plenty's and Busy's point of view, and I see Ken's and lots of others point of you. I see Plenty's as extreme in one direction and Ken's as extreme in the other. I understand them both. I was not taught Ken's point of view, but somehow picked it up in my early teens, thus the goals. Just to note, I like everyone on here who has posted, so I hope I don't offend anyone if I say something out of place. I find Busy's response to be middle ground. Because of the way that I started seeing things as an early teen, I tend to think like Ken. For the same reasons, I also tend to think like Plenty.

It is difficult to make a decision as whether to help someone or not. I feel really sorry for the kids in these situations and want to help, but 2 things hold me back. I know that I am not life educated enough to be a good resource for the kids, and I think about how, in most cases, the parents are where they are due to their own doings. On one hand, if you help someone it could be all the difference in the world, and on the other hand, it could lead to teaching them to be even more dependent. I grew up watching the latter. I am torn. That said, I am sooooo glad for my teenage thinking and the opportunity to learn here. I will follow this post to learn and grow more. Sorry for the long response.

6x6 --76.129.xxx.xx




Entitled Much (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 8:50 PM
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Ken, if you heard all the things that I heard growing up, you would be even madder. I am. That said, although it is really flawed thinking on their part, it is because they don't know any different. --76.129.xxx.xx




Entitled Much (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 8:58 PM
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And to the OP's title of the post, that is exactly what happens sometimes IMO. Dependency becomes entitled. --76.129.xxx.xx




Entitled Much (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 9:29 PM
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I think I was poor as a kid. I really wasn't sure either though. As a child you really don't have much of an idea about the concept of money.

I am inclined to believe though, we came from the other side of the tracks. The street I grew up the first 10 years of my life has only one house missing. Yep - it was ours. It was in so bad shape that someone along the way, torn it down.

From humble roots you learn to brush off the dirt that is gets kicked up at you. You become a much stronger leader from having those roots --24.101.xxx.xxx




Entitled Much (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 9:42 PM
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Busy, it seems that part of the problem may be that those on welfare, and without an education or degree, can make as much or more money from the government than if they got the low paying job that they could get. However, if the assistance were not available, these people may likely then work or starve, their choice. --76.129.xxx.xx




Entitled Much (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 9:45 PM
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Ray, I'll agree. --76.129.xxx.xx




Entitled Much (by ken [NY]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 9:48 PM
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6x6 you are a good example for kids,it is not a childs fault if the family is dependent on the govt, that is on the parents,do what you can in a manner of helping to teach them how to do for themselves.The govt should not be providing, it just leads to dependence.Back in the day it was family and churches who helped each other, the govt took that away with all the freebie programs which have created and taught dependence on the govt and told them to keep getting the free stuff they need to vote for the correct party. --74.77.xx.xx




Entitled Much (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 9:54 PM
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True, Ken. It is not the kids' fault, but rather the parents. And as Ray said, kids have no concept of money, thus teaching them to do for themselves is a good plan. --76.129.xxx.xx




Entitled Much (by zero [IN]) Posted on: May 15, 2024 9:14 AM
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From my limited experiences with all the handouts the vast majority do not need them.

I stopped accepting S8 because the office handling it in my area is so screwed up it is almost a crime, and the fact that I would see how these people lived, what they did or didn't do and it upset me.

There needs to be a line drawn, but I fear it is well beyond that. --107.147.xx.xx




Entitled Much (by NE [PA]) Posted on: May 15, 2024 9:49 AM
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Of course it’s past the point of fixing it, Zero. You will see government handouts increase as the dollar devalues. How else will they have people keep maintaining the faith it? Enjoy the ride to the bottom! --174.249.xx.xxx




Entitled Much (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: May 15, 2024 9:54 AM
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Zero, I considered it a way to get some of tax money back! Lol. Screening is huge, I can offer my house to some one who is helping themselves. Easy to recognize those applications that are generational voucher holders. And milking the system. I require them to work and have a bank account and make $1500 $$ a month in income. I say no to allot of applicants as they still believe my screen list doesn't apply to them. Next! As you image I have the cream of the voucher holders. --172.59.xxx.xx




Entitled Much (by zero [IN]) Posted on: May 15, 2024 5:49 PM
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Plenty, good for you. It is nice that someone still cares enough to weed out the bad ones from the ones who really need the assistance.

I am just done with it. Maybe if the office that controls this area was more professional I would not have been turned off so much.

As far as getting your tax money back I feel that if I get a tenant who works for the rent then I shouldn't have to pay so much in taxes to support those that do not.

But as mentioned I am a bit jaded. --107.147.xx.xx



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