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Smoke Alams (by plenty [MO]) May 13, 2024 4:35 PM
       Smoke Alams (by Phil [OR]) May 13, 2024 5:32 PM
       Smoke Alams (by NE [PA]) May 13, 2024 5:37 PM
       Smoke Alams (by Bonanza [NC]) May 13, 2024 5:51 PM
       Smoke Alams (by 6x6 [TN]) May 13, 2024 7:45 PM
       Smoke Alams (by plenty [MO]) May 13, 2024 8:36 PM
       Smoke Alams (by 6x6 [TN]) May 13, 2024 8:57 PM
       Smoke Alams (by MikeA [TX]) May 13, 2024 9:13 PM
       Smoke Alams (by plenty [MO]) May 13, 2024 9:16 PM
       Smoke Alams (by NE [PA]) May 13, 2024 9:18 PM
       Smoke Alams (by plenty [MO]) May 13, 2024 9:29 PM
       Smoke Alams (by 6x6 [TN]) May 13, 2024 9:31 PM
       Smoke Alams (by NE [PA]) May 13, 2024 9:32 PM
       Smoke Alams (by 6x6 [TN]) May 13, 2024 9:33 PM
       Smoke Alams (by Vee [OH]) May 14, 2024 6:42 AM
       Smoke Alams (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) May 14, 2024 7:11 AM
       Smoke Alams (by plenty [MO]) May 14, 2024 7:59 AM
       Smoke Alams (by zero [IN]) May 14, 2024 9:37 AM
       Smoke Alams (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) May 14, 2024 8:54 PM
       Smoke Alams (by Steve [MA]) May 15, 2024 7:28 AM
       Smoke Alams (by zero [IN]) May 15, 2024 9:54 AM
       Smoke Alams (by Plenty [MO]) May 15, 2024 10:01 AM
       Smoke Alams (by zero [IN]) May 15, 2024 5:50 PM
       Smoke Alams (by Jim [CA]) May 23, 2024 5:07 PM

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Smoke Alams (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: May 13, 2024 4:35 PM
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I am considering passing forward some of the expenses I've been providing, specifically smoke detectors and carbon dioxide detectors however they are getting more and more expenses. I've been thinking maybe this is a way to charge a fee at move in for such much like a key fee, IS anyone else already doing this?

--172.59.xxx.xx




Smoke Alams (by Phil [OR]) Posted on: May 13, 2024 5:32 PM
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REQUIRED in this state. No way to charge for them at move in. If the tenant REMOVES or DISABLES-- there is a $250 charge....per ORS90 --76.138.xxx.xxx




Smoke Alams (by NE [PA]) Posted on: May 13, 2024 5:37 PM
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I also charge substantially for replacing these at move out. I know you’re not supposed to technically “make money” off of security deposit repairs, but this is one thing that gets filed underneath the “I do not care” category. If you are dumb enough to remove the smoke alarms while you live in the unit, you’re dumb enough to pay to replace them. --24.152.xxx.xx




Smoke Alams (by Bonanza [NC]) Posted on: May 13, 2024 5:51 PM
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You could charge a lease initiation fee $75 or a lease renewal fee $50

That would cover a detector or two. --65.188.xxx.xxx




Smoke Alams (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: May 13, 2024 7:45 PM
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Are you having trouble with tenants removing or damaging them? --76.129.xxx.xx




Smoke Alams (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: May 13, 2024 8:36 PM
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I have an issue with the detectors ageing out and needing to be replaced. More recently HUD is changing where the cardon dioxide detector is located. After a few weeks the family cooked dinner and the alarm went off and they exited the house and called 911 and the gas company. They rest to find the oven is leaking and needed to be replaced along with the detector. At $40 each. I'm thinking I need to pass this onward to the resident and replace after each turn over. The new package reads good for five years and has an alarm to replace. Just getting to be expensive to replace all at today's prices. --172.59.xxx.xx




Smoke Alams (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: May 13, 2024 8:57 PM
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Hud detector fee? No, that wouldn't work.

What if you up the rent by $10 a month?

Do you currently charge an administrative fee?

Gives me another reason not to accept HUD. If they can just change things like that then they should pay for the change. Maybe they do?

HUD leasing fee? Nope, discrimination.

Maintenance fee?

I'm also thinking, just because HUD changed where they are to be located, I would still get as many years use out of them as possible.

And, surely HUD isn't requiring them in the kitchen now? They will probably be going off all of the time just like smoke detectors in a kitchen. --76.129.xxx.xx




Smoke Alams (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: May 13, 2024 9:13 PM
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Just make it generic. When I go the a mechanic he charges a small fee for "shop supplies", I have no idea what that is other than an income source for him. I'm sure if I asked him he would say something like cleaning rags, electricity, or some other BS that makes it sound legit.

Maybe something like "initial expendables". That could cover batteries, filters, the first roll of toilet paper, etc. --209.205.xxx.xx




Smoke Alams (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: May 13, 2024 9:16 PM
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Yeap, they never required such Carbon dioxide detector, even in a house with gas but I always put them in according to the directions in the package. Now they are going to require them, in the next wave of changes, and they must be on the first floor in the hallway outside the bedrooms mounted near the ceiling. However the instructions read mount close to the floor, so we moved our cardon dector from the basement to the first floor near the ceilingsl outside the bedrooms.... And now all this. --172.59.xxx.xx




Smoke Alams (by NE [PA]) Posted on: May 13, 2024 9:18 PM
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I think this is one of those costs you’re just going to have to eat. --24.152.xxx.xx




Smoke Alams (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: May 13, 2024 9:29 PM
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Thinking outside the box. They can't get OC permit without our detectors so why not let them buy their own and put up? --172.59.xxx.xxx




Smoke Alams (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: May 13, 2024 9:31 PM
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Have you brought it to their attention as to what the manufacture instructions say? Not that they would listen or care. --76.129.xxx.xx




Smoke Alams (by NE [PA]) Posted on: May 13, 2024 9:32 PM
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Who’s responsibility is it to get the OC permit? --24.152.xxx.xx




Smoke Alams (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: May 13, 2024 9:33 PM
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Do you trust a HUD tenant to install correctly? --76.129.xxx.xx




Smoke Alams (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 6:42 AM
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I would ask the fire dept staff if HUD is taking over the job of the fire dept regarding placement and have the fire dept come assess what you have and make a recommendation, keep HUD doing HUD. I have added a/c powered brk 9120 smoke alarms and there is a direct plugin co version, I buy bulk for 22 bux.

Also time to consider replacing gas stove with electric, no leaky appliance connector and fumes in general go away, younger moms always told me they were afraid of flames so I listened to them and went elctric years ago and in the student rentals same concept - no flames for science experiments. Charging to replace emergency equipmrnt tampered during the occupancy will show anyone you are being proactive to have safe places for your residents, OH does not allow access to the deposit until occupancy has ended so add to the next rent cycle here - many landlords here have no understanding of the laws and they eat these damages - don't be that landlord. --184.59.xxx.xx




Smoke Alams (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 7:11 AM
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Cost of doing business.

You can not not cut corners on safety - ever. Just raise rent as this is a routine maintenance item. If you are considering this, you are not looking at market rents enough. Your competitors aren't cutting corners there --24.101.xxx.xxx




Smoke Alams (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 7:59 AM
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It would be a move in cost . A fee that would replace all the detectors with new ones. They can take them with them to their new place when they move out. When they have some skin in the game they appreciate things. If they are responsible for their own safety they batteries will get replaced yearly and not removed at Christmas. Anyways once the OC is obtained they do what they want, I can't really police everything they do in their homes anyways. If they have some responsibility for themselves then they do better. Much like my resident with the clogged toilet who said she learned her lesson on what things cost and I bet I never have a toilet issue there ever again as long as she lives there. Why not pass on the cost? They can get free detectors from the fire department ... $300 for me to furnish a SFH home with detectors. It's for their safety. --172.59.xxx.xx




Smoke Alams (by zero [IN]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 9:37 AM
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I have to supply smoke detectors and have the T sign off that they work. In the past I have had batteries and entire units removed. Poor cooking, smoking inside, too cheap to buy a new battery.

My lease states they are responsible for replacing batteries or entire units if they are sealed. They must replace with same or better quality. I don't want off brand dollar store stuff that only lasts a week in there.

I could see an admin fee that includes new detectors. Word it as a safety concern maybe?

Also I do not end up having to replace all the detectors at every turnover. So with that said my creative accounting could be saving $300 each turnover. --107.147.xx.xx




Smoke Alams (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: May 14, 2024 8:54 PM
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plenty,

Interesting idea.

I have not seen the new HUD requirements.

My applicants have trouble coming up with move in funds so I'm not sure I could add more.

Small tip: SDs must be 12" on center from the ceiling or wall because smoke rolls where the wall meets the ceiling. That area will be clean after a fire.

My state requires the LL install them and the res sign to acknowledge and accept responsibility to maintain them during occupancy.

We install a combo smoke/CO detector and the cheap $7

SDs from Lowes.

We charge $50 to replace missing SDs, $100 for the combo.

(Costco has the combos at $54 for a 2 pack).

BRAD --73.103.xxx.xxx




Smoke Alams (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: May 15, 2024 7:28 AM
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In tenant friendly MA, we LLs can't charge an application fee as well as all sorts of other things. At move in we can

charge a lock / key fee. When I first started doing lock / key fees my fee was $25.00 then over the years I went up to my current fee of $100.00. The lucky applicant who is allowed to move into my next vacancy will be paying $150.00 for the lock fee. --96.233.xxx.xx




Smoke Alams (by zero [IN]) Posted on: May 15, 2024 9:54 AM
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Brad, I started (last year) supplying the sealed units. I used to buy the cheap battery units from Lowes and figured I would update the places with fancy detectors.

Now I am wondering if it was worth the expense. I did get them in bulk at auction but once in there do I want to swap back to the cheap versions?

Interesting tidbit to ponder. --107.147.xx.xx




Smoke Alams (by Plenty [MO]) Posted on: May 15, 2024 10:01 AM
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Note the new detectors have a five year life span and a light and sound when need to be replaced. The one Carbon monoxide detector that I just replaced, the one that went off and alarmed the residents to leave the house, was dated 2009. So go figure. I'm thinking of these are disposable and such a liability, it may be wise to pass on he responsibility to the tenant, and he cost. I can still require and check but in order to get keys it must pass OC and the detector must be installed. Not sure I'd ever get 100% away from coordinating the process but I remove myself from the cost and put the liability back on them for their own safety. Like seat belts in a car or child safety seats. --172.59.xxx.xx




Smoke Alams (by zero [IN]) Posted on: May 15, 2024 5:50 PM
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I wasn't aware that they were moving them to a five year lifespan. The sealed units I have boast about a ten year life, but I would be happy with five. --107.147.xx.xx




Smoke Alams (by Jim [CA]) Posted on: May 23, 2024 5:07 PM
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Smoke detectors are cost of doing business as a landlord. If a tenant damages one, then I charge him for the replacement. --169.150.xxx.xx



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