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I've Had It! (by OREO [WI]) May 10, 2024 9:14 PM
       I've Had It! (by plenty [MO]) May 10, 2024 10:03 PM
       I've Had It! (by NE [PA]) May 10, 2024 10:04 PM
       I've Had It! (by OREO [WI]) May 10, 2024 10:25 PM
       I've Had It! (by NE [PA]) May 10, 2024 10:28 PM
       I've Had It! (by ken [NY]) May 10, 2024 10:31 PM
       I've Had It! (by OREO [WI]) May 10, 2024 11:01 PM
       I've Had It! (by OREO [WI]) May 10, 2024 11:09 PM
       I've Had It! (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) May 10, 2024 11:54 PM
       I've Had It! (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) May 10, 2024 11:56 PM
       I've Had It! (by OREO [WI]) May 11, 2024 12:30 AM
       I've Had It! (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) May 11, 2024 2:14 AM
       I've Had It! (by Steve [MA]) May 11, 2024 6:14 AM
       I've Had It! (by NE [PA]) May 11, 2024 6:44 AM
       I've Had It! (by MC [PA]) May 11, 2024 7:13 AM
       I've Had It! (by OREO [WI]) May 11, 2024 7:16 AM
       I've Had It! (by NE [PA]) May 11, 2024 7:44 AM
       I've Had It! (by RB [TN]) May 11, 2024 7:58 AM
       I've Had It! (by OREO [WI]) May 11, 2024 8:14 AM
       I've Had It! (by NE [PA]) May 11, 2024 8:20 AM
       I've Had It! (by Vee [OH]) May 11, 2024 8:46 AM
       I've Had It! (by plenty [MO]) May 11, 2024 9:09 AM
       I've Had It! (by plenty [MO]) May 11, 2024 9:18 AM
       I've Had It! (by DJ [VA]) May 11, 2024 10:34 AM
       I've Had It! (by Steve [MA]) May 11, 2024 12:07 PM
       I've Had It! (by Mapleaf18 [NY]) May 11, 2024 1:00 PM
       I've Had It! (by OREO [WI]) May 11, 2024 2:53 PM
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       I've Had It! (by OREO [WI]) May 12, 2024 8:51 AM
       I've Had It! (by Small potatoes [NY]) May 12, 2024 12:39 PM
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       I've Had It! (by NE [PA]) May 12, 2024 1:59 PM
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       I've Had It! (by OREO [WI]) May 13, 2024 12:10 AM
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I've Had It! (by OREO [WI]) Posted on: May 10, 2024 9:14 PM
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Tenant is upset because he temporarily can't use the basement due to mold remediation, or his porch because his porch chairs and other furniture is pointy and the new porch is rubber.

Same one who was complaining about his heat being so high, when in fact it is low by any standards and he is out of touch.

I pointed him to his lease and gave him the "happy clause". I sure hope he takes it; another case for month to month leases.

--75.11.xx.xx




I've Had It! (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: May 10, 2024 10:03 PM
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Happy Clause .... It's a good thing! --172.59.xxx.xxx




I've Had It! (by NE [PA]) Posted on: May 10, 2024 10:04 PM
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Whatís the deal with the furniture? --24.152.xxx.xx




I've Had It! (by OREO [WI]) Posted on: May 10, 2024 10:25 PM
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We are looking for something thick to properly protect the surface of the rubber porch. Any ideas of what others have used?

NE (PA) There are four chair legs. They are rather thin and sharp; sitting on them would poke through the rubber without decent protection. The table is similar. Different porch furniture would not poke through the rubber...like lawnchairs with no legs, rather they fold up and have a continuous metal bottom. He could buy new furniture, but it appears he wants to use what he has. It's cheap furniture but to repair the rubber porch per the contractor is $750 just for them to show up, in addition to the repair. --75.11.xx.xx




I've Had It! (by NE [PA]) Posted on: May 10, 2024 10:28 PM
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Well, if I was the tenant I would want to use my own furniture as well. Just saying. What kind of rubber floor is it? --24.152.xxx.xx




I've Had It! (by ken [NY]) Posted on: May 10, 2024 10:31 PM
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At least the guy realized his furniture would cause a problem,most tenants wouldnt care even if they realized it to begin with --74.77.xx.xx




I've Had It! (by OREO [WI]) Posted on: May 10, 2024 11:01 PM
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The rubber is made in two thicknesses, 30 and 60. We bought the 60 mil. Don't remember what they called it. We have it on the three car garage roof, same property. We put it on because all contractors we talked to said it was the best for water tight, but not if poked through, and the point was to prevent leakage into the room beneath the porch.

Should we just buy him a couple of chairs and table? It's very likely his current furniture scratched the previous porch up.

We don't have a fence up yet; the fence that was there is no longer sold by the manufacturer and other fences are not compatible with the posts. What we need is special order now.

Perhaps my largest problem is that I've lost all trust in this tenant. When he moved in I emphasized that he had more responsibility being on the top floor as what he does can affect the lower. He took all the strainers off the drains and immediately clogged drains twice in the first two months. Then same with the kitchen sink pulled the plumbing apart instead of calling us to clear a clog, then called us due to the leaking, and he hadn't cleared the clog and accused us of clogging it. Lastly he put tape around all the windows, which is forbidden in the lease and now has chosen to turn his heat completely off; it was winter when he was doing this. That's why I've had it! --75.11.xx.xx




I've Had It! (by OREO [WI]) Posted on: May 10, 2024 11:09 PM
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KEN: He didn't realize his furniture would be a problem until I told him. He reamed me out for choosing what I did. And I don't think he does care. --75.11.xx.xx




I've Had It! (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: May 10, 2024 11:54 PM
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OREO,

It sounds like this is a roof deck with EDPM black Firestone rubber roofing.

Perfectly OK to say he cannot use chairs that would damage the material. He KNOWS they are a problem. Like ya can't use ice skates on a wood floor.

Basement: how long has it been? Remediation should take a day or two unless your are tearing out material and re-building.

Don't let this get under your skin, he's just being a jerk. (Unless the basement is an integral part of the home such as a finished room advertised as part of the home)

Heat: no sweat (get it...I made a pun!) People like to complain. Know you did the right thing and move on.

Happy Clause is proactive and fine if it gives you peace of mind. It often stops the complaining.

BRAD

--73.103.xxx.xxx




I've Had It! (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: May 10, 2024 11:56 PM
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PS Sometimes it just feels good to take back control!

Being a good manager means making the hard decisions that others don't like.

PPS A proper Happy Clause needs a firm deadline such as May 31.

BRAD --73.103.xxx.xxx




I've Had It! (by OREO [WI]) Posted on: May 11, 2024 12:30 AM
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BRAD: Thanks for helping keep me sane. Yes that is what it is just hadn't pulled out the paperwork.

The rubber roof was the first thing we did to stop water from getting in the room below. Second thing was to tear out most of the wood in the entire basement as it tested a specific mold older and very young are susceptible. Third thing we did was to have asbestos removed and mold remediation done in the room under the rubber roof once the room had been completely, professionally dried out. Asbestos tiles had to be removed so the drain tile could be done safely. Then drain tile put in; that was where the problems began as the company did not come when they said they would; yes things happen, but threw off all the other contractors. So the mold remediation in the basement won't happen until the drain tile company finishes up. Then, yes a day for basement mold remediation.

The first two days of drain tile work uncovered a previous drain tile had been done, not surrounding the outer wall edge as is usual, but two feet in. Much more work than expected by everyone. The company knew what to do as they see one of these every 10 years they said. At any rate the old drain tile was no longer working as it was clogged.

No matter what, everything we did had to be done for the longevity of the building. With rains and weather getting

more unpredictable. My plan is not to rebuild; hubby has his ideas. The room under the rubber roof will be a total rebuild as we had to remove all walls due to the leaking.

Will post more as things unfold. --75.11.xx.xx




I've Had It! (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: May 11, 2024 2:14 AM
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What have to be down if install a well then sump pumps to remove water below the foundation along with solid board insulation on basement walls where that end mold buildup. Next option is dig around basement walls where a contractor will install a membrane on wall down to the footing that will keep moisture from the wall. Where along solid board insulation the condensation on basement will stop. In the meantime recommend a dehumidifiers in basement to bring the humid level. --207.236.xxx.xxx




I've Had It! (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: May 11, 2024 6:14 AM
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EDPM roofs even with 2 layers are not designed to have furniture of any type placed on them. They are also not intended to be walked on except for the occasional service work being performed.

There are special walk pads made that can be placed on top of rubber roofs. it's very common to see them on large rubber roofs to provide a way to access & to provide a puncture resistant work area for roof top air handlers & other equipment. You could use the same or similar pads to help prevent damage to the new rubber roof from furniture, high heels, dropped items, etc.

Try searching for rubber floor mats to protect rubber roofs. Any wholesale supplier of rubber roofing would have them. However, most of the big box stores as well as Target & Walmart carry similar interlocking mats that could be used for this at a more reasonable cost.

One last thought does this roof deck / porch have a proper rail sytem to prevent someone from falling off of it? --96.233.xxx.xx




I've Had It! (by NE [PA]) Posted on: May 11, 2024 6:44 AM
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Iím still confused here. Did you put rubber roofing down as a porch floor or is he accessing a rooftop for his furniture? --174.249.xx.xxx




I've Had It! (by MC [PA]) Posted on: May 11, 2024 7:13 AM
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Is he taking the Happy Clause? --73.230.xxx.xx




I've Had It! (by OREO [WI]) Posted on: May 11, 2024 7:16 AM
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NE (PA) To clarify, put down as a porch floor. The company work is high quality and not the only company we had to assess the situation.

STEVE (MA) The rail system had to be taken down to put the rubber roof down. We carefully removed it but it no longer fits the space. We could have modified it, but would have needed more fence, so we tossed it. The company who makes the fence no longer has the color (cream to go with the house trim) and the same fence is special order in white or black. Other fence manufacturers are not compatible. We continue our search. --75.11.xx.xx




I've Had It! (by NE [PA]) Posted on: May 11, 2024 7:44 AM
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You put roofing down as a porch floor? --174.249.xx.xxx




I've Had It! (by RB [TN]) Posted on: May 11, 2024 7:58 AM
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Sounds self-inflicting. --69.130.xxx.xxx




I've Had It! (by OREO [WI]) Posted on: May 11, 2024 8:14 AM
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It's done frequently here in Wisconsin, I know of several as I write. We could have put a tin floor on, like what was in good shape and taken off, but they need more attention and end up leaking. Either way it's a catch 22.

BRAD: You mentioned you have had this done in another thread. Do you continue to, or did you find a better option? --75.11.xx.xx




I've Had It! (by NE [PA]) Posted on: May 11, 2024 8:20 AM
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Well now you know not to do it on a rental again. --174.249.xx.xxx




I've Had It! (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: May 11, 2024 8:46 AM
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I think a garage sale would be my stop and provide the porch furniture at least temporarily, but it really sounds like this tenant took control awhile ago - the happy clause may be the best medicine. --184.59.xxx.xx




I've Had It! (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: May 11, 2024 9:09 AM
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Can those rubber squares for kids play spaces be put down? Otherwise they make a cedar clock together 18ď or so square of wood slates for decking over such. He can buy those and take them with him or buy new patio furniture appropriate for were he lives now or move now or perhaps you invest in these outdoor wooded go over floors so you don't have to deal with this again. --172.59.xxx.xxx




I've Had It! (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: May 11, 2024 9:18 AM
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I first saw this decking on This Old House. They have 12x12 at Home Depot and such --172.59.xxx.xxx




I've Had It! (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: May 11, 2024 10:34 AM
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Those hook-together square pads like plenty mentioned might work.

How about just laying down some plywood? maybe 3/8", sanded smooth on the bottom & round off the bottom edges --68.229.xxx.xxx




I've Had It! (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: May 11, 2024 12:07 PM
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Oreo [WI], for clients we've built wooden decks on top of rubber roofs. We use a piece of scrap rubber to go under each floor joist / sleeper. This act as a slip sheet to lessen the chance of the deck framing abrading the rubber roof. We also assemble it so it can be easily removed for maintenance.

On my own house above our kitchen, we have a fiberglass deck that you can access from the second floor. Other than occasionally power washing it, it's been trouble free since I installed it over 40 years ago.

Hopefully you've secured the door to prevent access to this roof deck until you at least have a proper railing system in place. --96.233.xxx.xx




I've Had It! (by Mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: May 11, 2024 1:00 PM
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In our area we put tore down the two-story porch/deck. It was dilapidated due to neglect and not worth rebuilding because of just such type tenants you mention here --172.56.xx.xxx




I've Had It! (by OREO [WI]) Posted on: May 11, 2024 2:53 PM
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NE (PA: Too late NE! We have a rubber deck on another upper rental for years. We put the rubber squares together as some have mentioned. Just went over now to recheck them. Altho they pop apart in places, she put a thick rug over them to keep them mostly in place. No damage there, but she also has different furniture that is not pointy.

We purchased a couple roll coverings that may work, but I'd want him to then put something rubber on each leg of his furniture. I like the round pcs idea. Depends how many people he is planning on having over at a time on that deck.

STEVE: Never heard of a fiberglass deck; interesting. We do have the door secured with CAUTION tape in place until we find a railing system that will work.

MC: Tenant got back to me saying we don't need to talk about moving yet, but if he doesn't have a storage area and patio we will need to discuss a new lease or cost per month if I won't have those anymore like I am saying.

I didn't say those things; I said we are looking at options and that options take time. Then I replied, the only option I am offering is to let you out of your lease. He knows he has a good deal and wants to renegotiate. NO, just get off my back already (I'm thinking this, not saying it; remaining professional.)

We purchased something from Menards that is rather thick. We will need to unroll it to see if it offers enough room for protection for their furniture. I would also advise they put rubber over all the furniture as a nice wind (happening alot lately) could blow their cheap plastic furniture off the proection and scrape the rubber. --75.11.xx.xx




I've Had It! (by zero [IN]) Posted on: May 11, 2024 3:22 PM
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If the rubber is that fragile I would think it best for you to find a more permanent alternative.

Little chance that a tenant is going to care about tearing the rubber. Either something needs to cover it for protection or lock the access door for good.

Going back to repair water damage again in five years will not be worth it.

Maybe if you want to renegotiate tell him that he will not get the full rent increase that was planned because he can no longer use the porch. Then increase as you see fit anyhow. --107.147.xx.xx




I've Had It! (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: May 11, 2024 11:24 PM
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OREO,

I am cornfused. Is this EDPM black rubber the surface for a ground level deck, perhaps used to shoo the water away from the house?

or a second story walk out deck over a roof?

Steve is right - even the 60 weight is not meant for foot traffic let alone chair feet of ANY kind. MY EDPM is installed over styrofoam to "cushion and protect" the bottom side of the EDPM.

If you want this area to be available for people, get it covered with a thick outdoor rug, Astroturf, or those heavy duty rubber pads that lock together like the ones under the lifting weights in a gym.

Lowes sell heavy, thick rubber patio squares near the pavers. They also have some jazzy plastic woven rugs for outdoors.

Putting pads on his furniture feet will fall off or he will refuse. YOUR solution must work for any furniture, his and future residents.

Hang in there and install something that will protect your investment, endure stupid tenant tricks, and let your sleep at night.

BRAD --73.103.xxx.xxx




I've Had It! (by OREO [WI]) Posted on: May 11, 2024 11:30 PM
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ZERO I don't think it is that fragile, but I like your idea if he isn't conducive to taking care of it I can offer him that.. There is a 10 year warranty on it; our other rubber roof has lasted over the 10 years with no damage or leaking below.

We picked up a protective covering today to lay on the porch to test with his furniture, and ordered the porch rails. We've really not had a decent weather day that he wasn't working to sit out yet. Lots of rain, but no water leaked into the room below. --75.11.xx.xx




I've Had It! (by OREO [WI]) Posted on: May 12, 2024 12:17 AM
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BRAD: This is a second story walk out porch over a bedroom. I will need to double check this with hubby, but when we met the project manager, he said there would be foam, I think styrofoam, under the rubber roof. I remember wondering why they would do that as it seemed odd to me.

We continue to look; we need to go to Lowes for the rock wool that ROBERT (Ontario) told us about for insulating the room below so we'll check out the patio squares and rugs you mention.

--75.11.xx.xx




I've Had It! (by MC [PA]) Posted on: May 12, 2024 7:40 AM
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Did you give him a date that the Happy Clause expires? Is he M2M? --73.230.xxx.xx




I've Had It! (by OREO [WI]) Posted on: May 12, 2024 8:51 AM
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BRAD: Just checked with hubby and yes, the roof was properly installed with a foam underlayment on top of the plywood covering the porch, and then the rubber roof for longer wear. That still does not absolve a tenant for care in how he or his guests use the porch.

MC: He is not M2M. I did not give him a date yet. I don't want him there period. So if my happy clause expires, then he can stay and make life miserable. I have nothing to evict him on at this moment, however during his tenancy he has ignored parts of his lease that compromise the building. When discovered I did a face to face reminding him of that. He pushed back on that. Another thing he accused us of doing and yelled at us. So I don't expect anything different with this. Kind of a three strikes and you are out.

He is getting married in October and my happy clause was professionally put that he would find a much better situation somewhere else, better parking, more spacious, etc. I don't feel the place is big enough for them with her things as it's overfull now with his, even though he is clean, he's a PITA. --75.11.xx.xx




I've Had It! (by Small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: May 12, 2024 12:39 PM
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If you get rid of this tenant, remove the door and close off the porch since it is really roof. --172.59.xxx.xxx




I've Had It! (by OREO [WI]) Posted on: May 12, 2024 1:20 PM
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SMALL: Ding, ding, ding! You have won the prize for my favorite answer yet! --75.11.xx.xx




I've Had It! (by NE [PA]) Posted on: May 12, 2024 1:59 PM
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Just make sure you donít eliminate it as an egress incase of a fire. --24.152.xxx.xx




I've Had It! (by OREO [WI]) Posted on: May 12, 2024 3:07 PM
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NE (PA) There is a front hallway exit to outside and a back hallway exit to outside, so that may not apply?

At our house, there is a back exit and our front porch is the only exit so we couldn't do it there. --75.11.xx.xx




I've Had It! (by zero [IN]) Posted on: May 12, 2024 4:17 PM
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As long as you have a window of proper size you have egress.

Removing the door sounds best. Put a window in there if you still need the second escape route. --107.147.xx.xx




I've Had It! (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: May 12, 2024 8:19 PM
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Can you buy him a throw rug to protect the floor? --24.101.xxx.xxx




I've Had It! (by OREO [WI]) Posted on: May 13, 2024 12:10 AM
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We're looking at buying some thicker rubber to put down and then I could buy a thick rug to put down to keep the additional rubber in place. It would behoove him to meet with us so we get an idea of how large a space on the porch they feel they would occupy for purchasing correctly. I sent an email that we would be available tomorrow, his day off; haven't heard back. If he's just stargazing with his fiance or hosting numerous formal parties where women wear slender heels on their shoe --75.11.xx.xx




I've Had It! (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: May 13, 2024 7:04 AM
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OREO [WI], the fiberglass roof that I mentioned having at my own house was actually made in place from resin & mat & gelcoat similar to the way you'd made a boat.

I'm curious does this tenant or his guests ever smoke on this rooftop deck? I know of several roof top deck fires that were caused by butts being dropped onto leaves that hadn't been cleared from the roof.

IMO if they do smoke, then the sooner you eliminate the deck & replace the door with an egress size window the better.

--96.233.xxx.xx




I've Had It! (by OREO [WI]) Posted on: May 13, 2024 6:51 PM
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Steve: I agree.

We don't allow smoking anywhere on the property. The porch roof included. While he doesn't smoke and neither did the last tenant, that didn't prevent the last one from putting a fire pit on there. And would he tell friends not to smoke?

The ball is in his court. I'm hoping he spent the last couple days looking for a new place instead of with some lawyer.

--75.11.xx.xx



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