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'Green Mortgages' ??? (by Tony [NJ]) Apr 2, 2024 10:15 AM
       'Green Mortgages' ??? (by Busy [WI]) Apr 2, 2024 10:33 AM
       'Green Mortgages' ??? (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Apr 2, 2024 11:10 AM
       'Green Mortgages' ??? (by NE [PA]) Apr 2, 2024 12:18 PM
       'Green Mortgages' ??? (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Apr 2, 2024 12:53 PM
       'Green Mortgages' ??? (by Allym [NJ]) Apr 2, 2024 2:25 PM
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       'Green Mortgages' ??? (by DJ [VA]) Apr 2, 2024 8:21 PM
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'Green Mortgages' ??? (by Tony [NJ]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2024 10:15 AM

new smax.com

'Green Mortgages' Set to Take Off as US Makes Homes Fit for Future

Carey L. Biron, Thomson Reuters Foundation

6–7 minutes

Jules Fishelman had ambitious plans to green up his century-old home in Burlington, Vermont, but the cost and logistics felt overwhelming.

"I've had in mind dozens of things I really wanted to do to make it more comfortable, but also to deal with the energy footprint - how much energy it uses," Fishelman said by phone from the converted duplex he has called home since 2001.

Given Vermont's icy winters, pipes can freeze easily, said the 50-year-old father of two, making for steep heating bills.

Then a few years ago, he stumbled on an option he had not realized even existed: a local credit union was running a pilot program letting participants roll the cost of energy-efficiency upgrades into their home mortgage.

He signed up, agreeing to spread his payments over 15 years.

After spending about $25,000 on works – a new electric heat pump to replace the legacy gas system, better insulation and more – the Fishelman family is warm as toast this winter, the first since the project ended.

"My mortgage rate stayed pretty manageable, and my house got twice as comfortable."

With billions of dollars in federal subsidies soon expected to start flowing in a push to make housing more sustainable, some experts expect interest in green mortgages to boom.

"People are realizing we have a lot of inefficient housing stock, and upgrading the efficiency of our housing is important at a time when the costs of energy are only becoming greater," said Simeon Chapin, head of social impact at VSECU, part of the New England Federal Credit Union that worked with Fishelman.

Green mortgages could become an important way for homeowners to pay for that work, said Kevin Kane, chief economist at Green Homeowners United, a Wisconsin-based firm that helps homeowners cut their carbon emissions.

"If we can figure this out, this is huge for residential energy – and we're so close to making it happen."

Kane said he gets near-daily calls about the new subsidies.

"In my mind, mortgage lenders and Realtors (real estate agents) are a hidden weapon to help fight climate change, and these green mortgages are the way we'll help make this happen."


Consumer green lending in general has been rising, said Neda Arabshahi, senior vice president of the Inclusiv Center for Resiliency and Clean Energy, which works with credit unions in under-served markets.

Over the past three years, the center has helped train more than 700 community financial institutions on how to help clients finance a host of green initiatives, from solar panels to EV charging stations, she said.

"When we started talking to people three years ago, no community lenders were doing this," she said. "Now we're seeing a lot of movement."

The energy think tank RMI estimates a $2-trillion green mortgage market could grow within a decade, upgrading 8.7 million homes – saving consumers about $12 billion and averting 57 million tons of carbon emissions.

The idea of an energy-efficiency mortgage has been around for decades but has hit repeated industry resistance, said Richard Faesy, principal at Energy Futures Group, a consultancy that co-led the VSECU pilot project.

"There's a lot of financing around clean-energy programs, but really the niche that I think has the potential for tremendous change is with mortgage financing."

The Mortgage Bankers Association said it does not track energy-efficiency mortgages, and that it opposes some federal measures to help homeowners pay for green upgrades.

The green-mortgage market has grown overseas, too.

European interest was initially sparked by U.S. moves but the trend has since taken hold, with efforts now afoot to expand the market globally, said Luca Bertalot, secretary general of the European Mortgage Federation – European Covered Bond Council, which manages all mortgage lenders in Europe.

"In Europe we have to retrofit 250 million houses," said Bertalot, who also coordinates a European Union green-mortgage initiative spanning 70 lending institutions across the bloc.

Now the push is on to help countries far beyond Europe set up similar projects, from Kenya to Malaysia and Colombia.

Climate change "will not be solved in Europe – this is a global problem," Bertalot said.


The Vermont pilot was made possible with a Department of Energy grant that helped offer lower interest rates for clients and opened the door for consultants to coordinate their works.

VSECU wants to build on its pilot and pick the green mortgage program back up - but obstacles remain, said Laurie Fielder, its vice president of green lending.

Today's high interest-rate climate aside, such mortgages require specialized, additional work, she said.

"It's about getting the financial institution into a position where they can feel as though they can put the resources into this," Fielder said.

It is also hard to ensure that new, green features are accurately reflected in a home's overall value, she said.

U.S. real-estate value is shaped by third-party appraisers, typically brought in by a lender to analyze their risk.

But the appraisal industry has been slow to keep up with greener construction techniques, said Sandra K. Adomatis, president of the Appraisal Institute, an industry association.

"Building science has changed dramatically," she said.

Adomatis said it was up to lenders to hire appraisers with know-how - but ultimately the market must drive change.

"The public is still not familiar enough to understand the benefits" of energy efficiency, she said, so real estate agents and developers often don't advertise those features.

While the institute has run classes on energy efficiency for more than 15 years, appraiser uptake remains slow, she said.

"They'll say, 'A lender never asks if I have that. When they start asking, I'll start taking the classes.'"


'Green Mortgages' ??? (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2024 10:33 AM

Difference in comfort of our house from when we bought this 1950s ranch home back in the 1990s to now is substantial. Started with my husband adding extra layer of insulation to the attic, then we both continued making improvements. Last things that made a large difference were the new front door and large bank of windows. Slightly reduced size of the windows, and got triple-pane with shades between the glass, and argon filled. Toasty!

Knowing that energy improvements can be tacked on to a mortgage is great. As this article mentioned, energy-efficiency isn't top of a home buyer's list. But, a couple of years of energy bills can change their focus. Flippers maybe don't focus on energy-efficiency, as their buyers won't appreciably notice, so making it an add-on, when the homeowner finally appreciates caulk and insulation makes sense.

Maybe it's the banks' version of, "Do you want fries with that?" Or, maybe it's dessert, as the mortgage was already closed. --72.135.xxx.xx

'Green Mortgages' ??? (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2024 11:10 AM

Annnd the lawsuits for breathing/asthma etc issues will be just around the corner due to making homes too tight. --64.246.xxx.xxx

'Green Mortgages' ??? (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2024 12:18 PM

Back room money shuffle. --174.249.xx.xx

'Green Mortgages' ??? (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2024 12:53 PM

A net zero building will not require a HVAC system at all as the inside temperature will room temperature all year round. A lower energy house will increase in valve. In the house installing the two can DIY spray foam kits where the house is becoming more air tight. When was using wood stove there back draft as was using natural gas clothes dryer. At a point will require a heat recovery ventilation system which will connect to the furnace. Spray foam no mold then completely air tight. A net zero building does not to be connected to the grid where can use solar panels for energy. Houses before the solution for heat loss and heat gain was the HVAC system where as envelop is improved the HVAC system can be down sized than will last longer. --207.236.xxx.xxx

'Green Mortgages' ??? (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2024 2:25 PM

Need something to go on the outside of the house that will not block the sight of the attractive siding, windows, etc. I visualize and very clear plastic that will cover and seal up cracks and possibly fasten together with clips. --173.61.xxx.xxx

'Green Mortgages' ??? (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2024 6:32 PM

As Brad says, give people what they want and they will pay for it.

Seems more like a scam to me.

Oh, I have an idea! Why don't I fall for the idea of saving $50 per month on my utilities bill and pay $100+ more per month on my mortgage?

At some point a person should check to see what the lesser of two evils is.

Of course, the banks want a new type of mortgage to offer, and the government wants involved. --76.129.xxx.xx

'Green Mortgages' ??? (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2024 8:21 PM

Well, that's a cute, new, trendy, politically correct name.

But, you've been able to do the same thing already with a home equity loan --68.229.xxx.xxx

'Green Mortgages' ??? (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2024 9:01 PM

Energy retrofit is where existing heating system is working then why replace until parts or not worthwhile fixing. If spend $10,000 where improving the envelop then every year make other improvements. A existing gas boiler can be up graded by radiant floor heating along installing a indirect stainless steel hot water tank where can connect up boiler to provide heat for the immersion coil in the indirect hot water tank. Cutting down heat loss and heat gain will produce results the first year. If ever selling house then the value of house goes up as less to heat and cool. --207.236.xxx.xxx

'Green Mortgages' ??? (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2024 9:41 AM

Dj, that doesn't help as much tho.

Bank gets homeowner to refinance and add the 10k upgrade into a new 30 year loan this way.

Your way means the homeowner takes an interest only loan out for the same 10k with no closing costs and no long term increase to the loan. They can buckle down and pay the HELOC off as fast as possible. Thus saving them money in the long run.

Don't you care for the well being of the lender? --107.147.xx.xx

'Green Mortgages' ??? (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2024 12:55 PM

Good point, DJ.

Though whatever wakes people up to energy efficiency is maybe a bit good. But, who am I kidding? People that don’t have the smarts to improve energy efficiency on a home they own …shaking head… humphf! Yep, bank is selling fries with that. --172.58.xxx.xxx

'Green Mortgages' ??? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Apr 4, 2024 8:47 AM

You can buy green energy too - and it cost about 70% higher locally than non green power.

So I am sure there is some type of government incentive to encourage someone from over paying for money. There is some irony though, print up more money to help save the environment. I am sure someone will say more money doesn't kill more trees - they will say its mostly electronic. Doesn't electronic money require power to run that computer? Are the banks paying extra for E-money? --24.101.xxx.xxx

'Green Mortgages' ??? (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Apr 4, 2024 11:11 AM

Servers/ data bases are one of the largest users of energy in the world, or so I heard. --72.135.xxx.xx

'Green Mortgages' ??? (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Apr 5, 2024 8:38 AM

My oldest kids two hour showers is a close runner up. --107.147.xx.xx

'Green Mortgages' ??? (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Apr 5, 2024 11:05 AM

zero, do you know how to fix that?

Put in a smaller HWH. --76.129.xxx.xx

'Green Mortgages' ??? (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Apr 6, 2024 8:31 AM

Ha, she lives on her own so it doesn't cost me a thing. Her water bills were higher than any other I knew of. Thought there was a leak but checked multiple times. Then she fessed up.

My house has a tankless so nearly always hot water here. --107.147.xx.xx

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