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Here we go again (by Doogie [KS]) Mar 29, 2024 10:04 AM
       Here we go again (by Peacegarden [ND]) Mar 29, 2024 10:12 AM
       Here we go again (by plenty [MO]) Mar 29, 2024 10:16 AM
       Here we go again (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Mar 29, 2024 10:19 AM
       Here we go again (by S i d [MO]) Mar 29, 2024 10:45 AM
       Here we go again (by MikeA [TX]) Mar 29, 2024 11:06 AM
       Here we go again (by RB [TN]) Mar 29, 2024 11:16 AM
       Here we go again (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Mar 29, 2024 11:55 AM
       Here we go again (by Doogie [KS]) Mar 29, 2024 11:57 AM
       Here we go again (by Doogie [KS]) Mar 29, 2024 12:13 PM
       Here we go again (by Renne [TX]) Mar 29, 2024 12:43 PM
       Here we go again (by MC [PA]) Mar 29, 2024 2:20 PM
       Here we go again (by Pat [VA]) Mar 29, 2024 2:49 PM
       Here we go again (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Mar 29, 2024 5:35 PM
       Here we go again (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Mar 29, 2024 5:37 PM
       Here we go again (by Vee [OH]) Mar 29, 2024 6:11 PM
       Here we go again (by Lucy [IN]) Mar 29, 2024 7:45 PM
       Here we go again (by 6x6 [TN]) Mar 29, 2024 8:03 PM
       Here we go again (by CJ [FL]) Mar 31, 2024 8:26 AM
       Here we go again (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Apr 1, 2024 7:52 PM

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Here we go again (by Doogie [KS]) Posted on: Mar 29, 2024 10:04 AM

People these days, I swear! This might be medium long, so I apologize in advance.

I had a tenant that was not taking care of the house. A couple examples of this was their dog tore all the screens on the screened in back porch it could reach, very dirty (and they had to live in it), Their dog chewed the wire on the back of the ac and they pitched a fit and refused to pay for it, you get the idea. The kicker was when they called for a furnace not working. HVAC guy found the filter so clogged that it was totally cutting off air supply. Before he got there, they had flipped the filter the other way and turned the furnace back on. This took everything that was on the filter and sent it straight into the coil. The HVAC guy gave me the "I don't want to clean this" price. Not really a choice, so had to get it done. This was the final straw and I decided they were moving. (Before you say anything, I do take blame for part of this and I have also added filter changing to my house inspections so I know it will get done at a min of a few times a year. Should have been doing this before, but I wasn't.)

I had reason to evict them for lease violations, but I was nervous that they would tear it up even further on the way out. So, I just gave them a 30 day non-renewal letter. The wife texted and begged to stay. I told her that I couldn't do that and wanted to go a different direction with the house. Made it sound like selling it was a possibility. They did move out on time and that was that.

I then proceeded to remodel the house. I spent a ton of time and a lot of money. New flooring, new paint, a couple plumber visits, multiple dump runs, etc. (Funny side note, they placed a TON of trash at the curb. Trash men wouldn't take it. They came to do a pick up on their weekly schedule and I ran out to apologize to the guy. He was looking at me like I'm an idiot, but once I explained that it was the tenant that just moved out and I would take care of anything he couldn't, he laughed and understood then.) So now we are on the market for rerent.

During this remodel, I sent them the accounting statement. I took it very easy on them. I could have added so much more and I just decided it wasn't collectable, so I would just make sure there was more than enough on there to keep their deposit. I went on the market with it yesterday. I get a message from a property manager in town that I know with a screenshot of a Book of Faces post from my former tenant. It said "Do no, I repeat do NOT rent from Doogie's Properties!" This property manager apologized for sending it and hoped that he was helping instead of hurting the situation. He went on to say they have had these types of posts before and it was usually after someone moved out and they kept the deposit. I responded thanking him and also letting him know that he had figured out the situation to a T. They had cost me thousands in repairs, so I kept the deposit. He responded once more saying he figured that was the case and apologized she was handling it this way. I did really appreciate him letting me know, even though I can't really do much about it.

Last night, someone commented on my ad on the Book of Faces Marketplace. They said something to the effect of this was not at all what the house looked like, there was mold everywhere inside, the LL is a scumbag, house was not worth the price, don't rent this place, etc. Thankfully it's not like Google and I could just delete that and be done. I'm guessing it's one of the former tenant's friends that did it.

It's not like I haven't been through this type of thing before. I'm sure it'll happen again. Just sucks that people are so against LL's and the tenant is never wrong. Pretty sure they know they are wrong too. One person had commented on her post asking what happened and she said "I'll text you". If it was so bad and you were so in the right, why not just lay it out there for anyone to see? Pretty sure she didn't want someone replying "That doesn't sound like the LL is to blame here."

Anyway, if you're still reading, thank you. Just had to vent a tad and out of anyone, I know you folks would understand. It didn't knock me down. The house was raised up to market rent and I'm getting plenty of action on it. I sincerely love my job and I'm on to tackling the next house. Hope you all have a good day and better weekend!

Here we go again (by Peacegarden [ND]) Posted on: Mar 29, 2024 10:12 AM

Funny how after tenants trash a house it's alwase the landlord is a slum lord. The house was trashed when I moved in.

Here we go again (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Mar 29, 2024 10:16 AM

Even the negative comments are "read between the lines" by both other bad tenants and other LL. I do find most houses are "forgiving" however the money from Security deposit rarely covers all.

Here we go again (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: Mar 29, 2024 10:19 AM

At the LL meeting the other evening, the attorney said if there's a dispute about how much rent is owed, the judge will invariably side with the tenant.

Here we go again (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Mar 29, 2024 10:45 AM

It should be obvious to people that the landlord doesn't introduce mold into a house, nor does he punch holes in the walls and doors, nor does he (insert laundry list of other DAMAGES).

The tenants do that stuff.

Even the worst of the worst slum lords doesn't purposefully damage his or her own properties. Slum TENANTS do the damage. The only time the LL is at fault is if something breaks and he doesn't fix it, which then exacerbates the problem.

Tenants damage houses and turn them into slums. Landlords, at worst, may be guilty of neglect. And why would you fix something just to have the same kind of people destroy it again and again?

This is why screening is important, including the 2-minute in home inspection. Check out CDM's post from yesterday "First two-minute visit" and how well that gives one peace of mind when you take that one little extra step to ensure you're not renting to a house wrecker.


Here we go again (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Mar 29, 2024 11:06 AM

Venting is often helpful. The important part is that you recognized you had a part in this so you can learn and grow. It's unlikely they just started these behaviors when they moved into your place. So, what screening processes are you going to change to get a different outcome.

Here we go again (by RB [TN]) Posted on: Mar 29, 2024 11:16 AM

Tenant Lifestyle Issues -

Any one problem in their lives,

could turn your rental into a disaster.

Keep fresh batteries in your Acme Craziness Detector.

Here we go again (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Mar 29, 2024 11:55 AM

I doubt that postings like that stop anyone from renting. You'll have photos of the renovation up on your ad and the tenants will at least go to look to see why the tenants comments are so at odd with the photos.

Of course, I have the landlord's perspective but I always think,"if it was so bad, why did you rent it in the first place?"

Here we go again (by Doogie [KS]) Posted on: Mar 29, 2024 11:57 AM

Thanks for responding all. I knew you'd understand.

Sid and MikeA - I did do a 2 minute home inspection on these folks. No issues at all. This is one of those that they are great until they're not. What changed? Kids came along after they moved in. They didn't take care of them well and stopped taking care of the dog in the process. This is why I gave them a non-renewal letter. It was bad, but it was headed to terrible. I didn't want it to get to terrible.

Here we go again (by Doogie [KS]) Posted on: Mar 29, 2024 12:13 PM

Oregon - that's ALWAYS my question. Sure, there's slumlords. There's one well known one that has properties in 3 different cities within the state, one of those cities being the one I'm in. HOWEVER, no one ever tells someone they HAVE to rent a place or else! This tenant toured my place, liked it, lived there since 9/20. She also asked to stay after I gave her the 30 day notice. Obviously, the house wasn't THAT bad. I did a spruce up before she moved in too, so it was looking pretty good. So if it was THAT bad, I can tell you who is to blame. Hint, it's not the guy I see in the mirror.

Here we go again (by Renne [TX]) Posted on: Mar 29, 2024 12:43 PM

Now that burden is off your shoulders, you'll feel renewed tackling your next project. Good job! Onwards and upwards!

Here we go again (by MC [PA]) Posted on: Mar 29, 2024 2:20 PM

As all the court shows say: "you didn't have to stay". Yep, we were wonderful until we weren't. You get over it. Most people will ignore one or 2 bad reviews as mad people.

Here we go again (by Pat [VA]) Posted on: Mar 29, 2024 2:49 PM

It's so many "nut jobs" out there that it is impossible to avoid them all. And you are so right, you find out what they really think when it doesn't go their way!

I've had a woman post on our ad that she couldn't remain silent and let someone else get sick like she did living in that mobile home! She also claimed it had mold. Well, I guess it did, the heat had gone out and for some unknown reason (she smoked real bad) she had not advised us of this very important fact. She also had dogs that had peed and pooped on the carpet. She was worried about getting her deposit back and I felt like we treated her more than fair and she still tried her best to ruin us.

This was someone that had allowed her kids to be molested and they were taken from her. I thought she had gotten her life together and was doing better (older /wiser) but she was still trash.

Here we go again (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Mar 29, 2024 5:35 PM


Thanks for posting all that! Newbies need to learn this happens.

Congrats for getting them out when you spotted trouble.

BookFace - when it became "the thing" I tried LOGIC to defend my crew. I posted a copy of the court damages letter signed by the judge. Got blasted for it.

Posted a few pics of the filth. Got blasted for it.

"How could you do this to people!!" was the basic and popular response.

57 negative entries by other people. I clicked on some of their avatars and MANY of the commenters lived in DIFFERENT STATES! *I* was fueling the fire.

I mentioned this to our local Sec8 director and she trained me - "Don't feed the trolls! We get PLENTY of negative comments but don't respond to ANY comments. In a few hours those negative posts are just pushed down by newer posts."

Social media frequenters can read between the lines and spot trolls. I don't want people who would pay attention to stupid posts.

Your photos of a good looking home will attract the right people.

Landlord on!


Here we go again (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Mar 29, 2024 5:37 PM

Phase 2...

You need GOOD reviews to offset the bad ones for when your good applicants search your name.

I pay $20 for a res to post a good reveiw


Here we go again (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Mar 29, 2024 6:11 PM

I don't know why you did not send an accurate accounting statement and follow thru with collection and/or court but never show the photos to anyone until the judge observes them first and asks the tenant for a description of why.

Here we go again (by Lucy [IN]) Posted on: Mar 29, 2024 7:45 PM

Know exactly how you feel! I just delete the ones talking crap on the book of faces, and post a new ad. But yeah, one of my "best" long time tenants. Uh hadn't inspected the property...basically trusted them. MISTAKE! SLAP MY FACE!! Got a new roof a few years ago...she said there was a leak, called the roofers back..never heard another word about a leak. Assumed (made an (Ass of me) it was aok. Inspection recently revealed it was NOT. Water pouring in thru the ceiling of the bathtub, floor rotten and the fridge was dead with ants filling it instead of food. Gave them a notice to move out. Dreading so hard the rehab to come. I plan to call a contractor and get him to figure out the roof leak and call the roofing company back to fix that, but he'll have lots of other things to replace...floors, ceilings and who know what all. Really makes me wanna say forgetaboutit and sell it as is. but I won't. I can't. ughh Glad you got yours taken care of. Of course they can't take any responsibility for the disrepair of the place. so sad. --64.184.xx.xx

Here we go again (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Mar 29, 2024 8:03 PM

Will you charge for all the damages next time?

Seems it wouldn't have made any difference as they would bash you either way.

You did well on getting them out and re-renting.

Here we go again (by CJ [FL]) Posted on: Mar 31, 2024 8:26 AM

I believe you can turn off comments on Book of Faces so that trolls and others do not post misrepresenting comments about you and your property.

Here we go again (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Apr 1, 2024 7:52 PM


My trash guy likes Monster Energy drinks since he is up so early working. An occasional can on top of the trash can has bought incredible good will with Marc. It is people like him that make my day easier or can make me take aspirin

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