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HUD/ section 8? (by Markl g [MA]) Feb 28, 2024 11:25 AM
       HUD/ section 8? (by plenty [MO]) Feb 28, 2024 11:30 AM
       HUD/ section 8? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Feb 28, 2024 12:08 PM
       HUD/ section 8? (by mark g [MA]) Feb 28, 2024 12:10 PM
       HUD/ section 8? (by Steve [MA]) Feb 28, 2024 12:32 PM
       HUD/ section 8? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Feb 28, 2024 12:39 PM
       HUD/ section 8? (by Vee [OH]) Feb 28, 2024 1:20 PM
       HUD/ section 8? (by RentsDue [MA]) Feb 28, 2024 1:42 PM
       HUD/ section 8? (by S i d [MO]) Feb 28, 2024 1:50 PM
       HUD/ section 8? (by jonny [NY]) Feb 28, 2024 2:51 PM
       HUD/ section 8? (by Bonanza [NC]) Feb 28, 2024 3:56 PM
       HUD/ section 8? (by tryan [MA]) Feb 28, 2024 4:54 PM
       HUD/ section 8? (by zero [IN]) Feb 28, 2024 6:07 PM
       HUD/ section 8? (by Mapleaf18 [NY]) Feb 28, 2024 6:52 PM
       HUD/ section 8? (by Mapleaf18 [NY]) Feb 28, 2024 7:01 PM
       HUD/ section 8? (by plenty [MO]) Feb 28, 2024 7:26 PM
       HUD/ section 8? (by mark g [MA]) Feb 29, 2024 12:10 PM
       HUD/ section 8? (by tryan [MA]) Feb 29, 2024 12:38 PM
       HUD/ section 8? (by Steve [MA]) Feb 29, 2024 12:38 PM
       HUD/ section 8? (by plenty [MO]) Mar 1, 2024 9:44 AM
       HUD/ section 8? (by Markl g [MA]) Mar 2, 2024 2:51 PM
       HUD/ section 8? (by Markl g [MA]) Mar 2, 2024 2:55 PM

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HUD/ section 8? (by Markl g [MA]) Posted on: Feb 28, 2024 11:25 AM

So I wrote a while ago about trying to get rid of a section 8 cranky/miserable tenant.

So she rents a big unit, 3 bedroom and 2600 sq apt of which in order to get an apt that big, she claims her granddaughter lives there plus ,the grand daughter's child as well as the primary tenant ,..We find the grand daughter actually lives 12 miles away with her boyfriend for years and only visits her son a few times a week.

My contractor who is doing work inn that unit says there are only 2 beds, the middle bedroom is used for storage.

So I'm told that when/if this is discovered by housing she will have to move elsewhere, by their rules..

I have faxed the local office alerting of this but they are notorious for not acting on anything., citing lack of personnel and resources.

I was wondering if to contacting HUD or threatening to do so if it might get them to act.but I was wondering if HUD and local housing are connected? From this site I saw where HUD enforces things much better.

Are they really connected? If so do you think it would be worthwhile to contact them?


HUD/ section 8? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Feb 28, 2024 11:30 AM

Not sure why you want to do this. Higher pay,,less wear and tear.

HUD/ section 8? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Feb 28, 2024 12:08 PM

I agree with plenty on this. It is never a good idea for you to be the sleeping police - especially when the complaint is you don't have enough people living at your place.

HUD/ section 8? (by mark g [MA]) Posted on: Feb 28, 2024 12:10 PM

Because she has been making our lives miserable, I can rent that unit for at least that price to a better person, and I really don't want to be of a part of fraud.

HUD/ section 8? (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Feb 28, 2024 12:32 PM

IMO, it would be a waste of your time trying to get the regional HUD agency to force your local PHA to do anything.

As far as them verifying that it is as a 2 instead of a 3-bedroom unit, when was the last time that S8 did an inspection? When they do their yearly inspections do they notify you before it & allow you to be there?

If you want to get the local PHA to do their job, just be aware that you may win the battle over this tenant, but you will most likely lose the war.

I've found that when dealing with a PHA or even a tenant, it's important to document everything & follow up on it. For instance, in this particular case, I would first call & speak with their case worker & follow it up with a letter or Email to the caseworker as well as their supervisor basing stating that I was confirming our phone conversation of Monday (or whatever day) regarding my tenant Mary Smith of unit 1 at 123 Main Street in Boston & state whatever the issue was. Then if I didn't get an appropriate response within a week or so I would follow up with another Email / letter cc to the caseworker & CC to their supervisor stating in large print across the top Second Request followed by my complaint. If I still didn't get an appropriate response I would do it again with THIRD REQUEST written across the top sent to not only the case worker & their supervisor but to each member of the local PHA.

I've never had to go any further than this but if I did, I would most likely send a letter to the editor of the local paper as well as the mayor / selectmen / state representative asking them if they could tell me how to get a response about a matter involving one of my S8 tenants from the local PHA. Make sure that you do not name the actual tenant if you have to go this far.

HUD/ section 8? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Feb 28, 2024 12:39 PM

If you believe there is fraud going on, you can always reach out to your state's IG office and explain it.

Where you IDing how many times someone sleeps at a place is tough for you to prove, the IG can look up where the car is registered to.

Now I have plenty of clients that are a PITA. But I understand that they are a PITA in the beginning. The best training up front isn't going to change most people. It is my opinion that being a landlord is an instructor position. So, I see this as an opportunity for you find a lease violation for them to correct. When they don't correct, you need to reach out to the housing office and file - especially if it is a safety issue

HUD/ section 8? (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Feb 28, 2024 1:20 PM

Trying to turn in the tenant will not be easy or cheap, afterall you approved the contract and signed it with this family and the HUD staff which is layered with legal teams to bring your story to the news how they will ask for a refund of the citizens funds illegitimately paid for housing at your place - it is always best to follow the law - legal fees are the highest hourly rate we in this business ever experience.

HUD/ section 8? (by RentsDue [MA]) Posted on: Feb 28, 2024 1:42 PM

I have done this successfully, sort of. In my case there were extra people living there. Once I had prove the case worker could not ignore it. Your easiest route is probably to prove where the other person is living. When I have had to do this, I send one of those bubble mailers with the hearts on it ( they canít resist seeing who loves them) and I send it so that it has to be signed for. Put something nice inside. No return address. This insures they will fall for it again. They will have a hard time explaining why they are receiving mail at a different address. You can also get their junk mail out of the recycle bin, but that comes with risks. --68.191.xx.xx

HUD/ section 8? (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Feb 28, 2024 1:50 PM

Be careful if you plan on keeping any kind of cordial relationship with your local Sec 8 provider. Bureaucrats are notoriously vindictive, and they will circle the wagons to protect their own (and keep things quiet so their higher up bosses don't go poking around).

If possible, I would simply non-renew their rental contract and give no reason. Otherwise, find a substantial lease violation and evict for that.

Don't rely on HUD to get you out of a mess. 99% chance it will backfire somehow.

HUD/ section 8? (by jonny [NY]) Posted on: Feb 28, 2024 2:51 PM

So I don't know what or how this tenant is "being a pain" (I can imagine) but if they are doing or saying things that are against your lease "rules", etc... then that's what you act on.

For Section 8 there are landlord statements they require on a yearly basis or whenever there is a change in tenant, rental amount change, ownership, etc.

When was the last time you completed one? I agree with the others... just keep collecting your rent and mind your business. If the tenant is doing or saying something that isn't something that you need to address and they are just "complaining" then just ignore them. If they are indicating something needs to be fixed and it does... then fix it. If they are breaking it... then charge them or move them out.

When the lease / agreement is up... don't renew.

HUD/ section 8? (by Bonanza [NC]) Posted on: Feb 28, 2024 3:56 PM

why are you messing around with section 8? Is it required to accept it in MA?

Tell section 8 and the tenant you are moving in a different direction and their lease ends in 60 days (or whatever it is).

HUD/ section 8? (by tryan [MA]) Posted on: Feb 28, 2024 4:54 PM

You'll be wasting your time ... I had a S8 peep kicked off the program. She appealed. Months later a "payment plan" was established for her to replenish the funds she received from HUD while not claiming her sons FULL TIME EMPLOYMENT income as household income.

As I said before, simply raise the rent above the allowed amount then reject the lower rent.

HUD/ section 8? (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Feb 28, 2024 6:07 PM

Lat S8 tenant I had played the game very well for her. I got tired of her kids selling drugs out of the apartment.

I did the non-renewal, The HA balked at first but admitted it was legit. I told the T that I didn't want anything to do with the 5 second visitors and she denied it all. I didn't care.

She moved out to a different place. This was in December of 2019. I gave her extra time past Christmas because I am a dummy. But she kept the place clean and was a good tenant otherwise.

Now I am still getting letters from the HA saying I owe money because she said she left on the 17th instead of after the holiday.

What a fight that is taking place.

I am so completely done with the organization.

Sorry... rant over for now... --107.147.xx.xx

HUD/ section 8? (by Mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: Feb 28, 2024 6:52 PM

Non renew. That is all. The HA I used to work for was NOT interested in prosecuting fraud. Probably bc they still are getting busted for fraud themselves. I was personally told by my former boss that they "don't get administrative fees for booting people off the program; look the other way and keep cutting those checks."

HUD/ section 8? (by Mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: Feb 28, 2024 7:01 PM

I should also add that we would have clients come in to recertify that had Regional Transit Worker (bus driver) employee ID badges hanging around their neck and no caseworker bothered to query about their employment status. These were mostly protected class clients... rubber stamped through.

A long time ago I qualified for low cost school lunch for my kids. My youngest happens to be bi-racial. Every year I would get financially audited by the school lunch program on behalf of my oldest who was not bi-racial. My youngest application would go sailing through, no questions asked ever despite the same household. No one at the school could explain why when I asked about this descrepancy.

HUD/ section 8? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Feb 28, 2024 7:26 PM

Are you asking for rent increases yearly? When renewal come up, don't renew. It's pretty simple. But don't be passive aggressive towards the situation, play the game. Read your paperwork, put some dates in the calendar and move thru it. You'll get no where with your current anger.

HUD/ section 8? (by mark g [MA]) Posted on: Feb 29, 2024 12:10 PM

I think the problem in Ma is the tenant if we raise the rents beyond what housing approves that this tenant will just stop paying anything,..Then if we try to get her ot by using non payment, she will apply to RAFT, and then we are not allowed to evict her.

I think the same if we do the non renewal way.

Also because she contantly complains to the BOH about things that she has mostly caused herself or won't allow to fix these minor things tht she will claim its retailation.

HUD/ section 8? (by tryan [MA]) Posted on: Feb 29, 2024 12:38 PM

Another one I had in S8 in NH .... her kid turned 18 so she lost a BR and the $$ that went with it. I was told she can stay BUT must pay the difference herself. She begged/borrowed/stole for a couple months. Then fell behind.

I evicted never telling S8 so I could at least collect thier portion, She was a no show at court and moved before the set out. Staying in S8 program.

HUD/ section 8? (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Feb 29, 2024 12:38 PM

It appears to me as though you are afraid to either terminate her lease or to raise her rent because of what MIGHT happen & not what actually happens. I think that you are spending way too much time & energy trying to figure out what to do & are hoping that someone else is going to solve this problem. IMO that as long as you've maintained a proper paper trail of the events that have happened, you shouldn't be too concerned about her falsely claiming retaliating.

If I was in your situation & thought that if I properly terminated her lease that she would continue to stay there & that the PHA would stop paying their portion of her rent, I would do as MA LL / Tenant law requires send her & the PHA a notice to quit along with an offer of a new tenancy at a much higher rate. I'd make this new rent at least $500.00 or more likely $1,000.00 more than her current rent. If I'm being forced to endure her BS, I at least want to be compensated for it. You would also need to use the PHA's required form requesting a rent increase.

A couple of final thoughts;

When does her existing lease end?

Are you a member of Mass Landlords? Have you taken any of their LLing courses or participated in any of their zoom sessions? If not, why not?

HUD/ section 8? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Mar 1, 2024 9:44 AM

Sorta a catch 22. I would not assume she can't pay her share of the rent. I'm finding these folks have more money that they care to show. Overall exit when you can, don't renew the contract with section 8. Read all the findings print and exit according to the paperwork. Your state does not sound like one to do business with section 8. Applaud you for trying, housing is short for these voucher holders. She knows the game, she's your teacher. Be a fast learner amd remember you are the deed holder.

HUD/ section 8? (by Markl g [MA]) Posted on: Mar 2, 2024 2:51 PM

Mark Now they owe 12K have been to our local LL assoc

and have used both of their lawyer recommendations, far I have spent over 15K on lawyers and the tenant is still there ,..they previously applied for RAFT which paid for some of their rent and we were not allowed to evict them all that time.

They applied for RAFT again as they are going to court this week,..we informed them that we don't want to use them.

They have good income but yet were approved for tens of thousands.Apparently using all the rent not paid to buy expensive stuff.

Now again, they have built up an arrears of around 12k.

This lawyer said not to go for the past arrears because when they get accepted under Raft we can't evict them, and we want them out. looking at the RAFT site, its amazing how many resources they can use to thwart and eviction.

Yeah I'm a bit shell shocked

HUD/ section 8? (by Markl g [MA]) Posted on: Mar 2, 2024 2:55 PM


The husband has left and living in another town, however he is still on the lease/rental contract and together make a good income.

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