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BARD HVAC units? (by WMH [NC]) Feb 26, 2024 3:53 PM
       BARD HVAC units? (by plenty [MO]) Feb 26, 2024 7:39 PM
       BARD HVAC units? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Feb 26, 2024 11:16 PM
       BARD HVAC units? (by Bonanza [NC]) Feb 27, 2024 6:10 AM
       BARD HVAC units? (by zero [IN]) Feb 27, 2024 8:12 AM
       BARD HVAC units? (by gevans [SC]) Feb 27, 2024 8:40 AM
       BARD HVAC units? (by Vee [OH]) Feb 27, 2024 9:00 AM
       BARD HVAC units? (by WMH [NC]) Feb 27, 2024 10:16 AM
       BARD HVAC units? (by Vee [OH]) Feb 27, 2024 10:59 AM
       BARD HVAC units? (by WMH [NC]) Feb 27, 2024 2:30 PM

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BARD HVAC units? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Feb 26, 2024 3:53 PM

For those who might know, why are we NOT using Bard units on our tiny homes instead of through-wall units or even larger places where we have to install air handlers, outside units, etc?

BARD HVAC units? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Feb 26, 2024 7:39 PM

Inquiring minds want to know!

BARD HVAC units? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Feb 26, 2024 11:16 PM

ummm...are you spelling my name wrong?!


BARD HVAC units? (by Bonanza [NC]) Posted on: Feb 27, 2024 6:10 AM

I've never heard of BARD HVAC. Tell us more.

BARD HVAC units? (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Feb 27, 2024 8:12 AM

I wasn't aware that they were still in business. Nobody around me uses them that I know of.

Never heard anything bad about them. --107.147.xx.xx

BARD HVAC units? (by gevans [SC]) Posted on: Feb 27, 2024 8:40 AM

Referring to the wall hanging package units you frequently see on temporary mobile buildings, metal buildings, and gyms.

Pros: self contained unit that does not require an HVAC license to install.

Cons: Unless you have a single open room, ductwork is still required. Cost: these units are much higher cost than standard package units. Mounting: requires a substantial wall with equipment that will lift several hundred pounds into place. Repairs: can be more expensive than some of the more common units. Efficiency...typically much lower. And...kinda loud.

Bottom line: if I had an open space building and found one at a reasonable price, I would not hesitate to use it. But then I install HVAC anyway. --69.80.xx.xx

BARD HVAC units? (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Feb 27, 2024 9:00 AM

Alright, I did some research to satisfy my own curiosity because the founding of the company is not very far from where I spent birthdays and holidays as a kid in the Ohio farming community along the lake Erie Basin where we went fishing as kids with our cousins who lived year round on the farms there. There was an electronics company born out of Bryan Ohio that took my interest as a teenager tinkering with broadcast radio and TV stations equipment, none of my living relatives can remember anyone who worked at Bard, Lennox had a large facility nearby where some staff may have transplanted from Bard, Lennox had a pulsing gas fired furnace when the energy crisis evolved from the midle east Opec countries. Bard buildst heat transfer equipment aimed at the communications industry to be quiet as to not interupt the studios where news and weather stories go up the tower to keep the area informed. Bard uses Copeland compressors like many HVAC companies and Aspen coils but where they go ahead of the others is using noise isolation mounting so the protective skin is not a sounding board for the vibrations inside like a drum head, Carrier did this toward the end of the 80 percent equipment designs - Carier equipment has a slow start on the fan motors so they would be quieter and now with the DC motors all manufacturers use this idea which reduces starting torque saving energy as a side effect. Armstrong has a system called walpak that operates in a thru the wall opening - similar to the motel industry PTAC system where the whole thing is in a drawer for easier service without the need to take the assembly to the shop, Armstrong has the cooling tray seperate from the heating section which stays in the wall while the cooling drawer goes into the shop.

BARD HVAC units? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Feb 27, 2024 10:16 AM

Nice history lesson!

I was thinking where we WOULD put a through-wall, you COULD put a BARD. They are no louder than a through-wall unit and because they are everywhere on commercial buildings, schools, construction trailers, etc. there are people who work on them. I was reading on an HVAC forum that they are easy to work on but a bit harder to install (heavy.) However, they last forever.

If there is existing ductwork you can tie into that. If not and the place is "open concept" you can just go through a hole in the wall, as we do with the Amanas.

Difference is we can install the Amanas ourselves. And they are a lot cheaper but also disposable: no one works on them.

I was just wondering if anyone here had any experience with them. Sounds like not really...

BARD HVAC units? (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Feb 27, 2024 10:59 AM

I have lots of Armstrong walpaks, they are pretty easy to service, gas parts same as many house furnaces, the chiller drawer fits into my caravan and I have a wiring harness I plug into a dryer 220 outlet to make the drawer run for recharge pressures. Why not fix Amana, should be goodman/janitrol stuff inside.

BARD HVAC units? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Feb 27, 2024 2:30 PM

Vee, the Amanas are about $1k these days. We used to spend $4-500. They last 5-6-10 years. When they have issues, the repair costs are not worth it.

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