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ESA Madness (by Doogie [KS]) Feb 12, 2024 6:20 PM
       ESA Madness (by Ken [NY]) Feb 12, 2024 6:36 PM
       ESA Madness (by RB [TN]) Feb 12, 2024 7:00 PM
       ESA Madness (by Scott [IN]) Feb 12, 2024 7:38 PM
       ESA Madness (by Larry [MN]) Feb 12, 2024 7:40 PM
       ESA Madness (by NE [PA]) Feb 12, 2024 7:43 PM
       ESA Madness (by ned [AL]) Feb 12, 2024 8:07 PM
       ESA Madness (by 6x6 [TN]) Feb 12, 2024 10:15 PM
       ESA Madness (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Feb 12, 2024 11:08 PM
       ESA Madness (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Feb 12, 2024 11:08 PM
       ESA Madness (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Feb 12, 2024 11:16 PM
       ESA Madness (by DJ [VA]) Feb 13, 2024 1:08 AM
       ESA Madness (by Jim in O C [CA]) Feb 13, 2024 4:30 AM
       ESA Madness (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Feb 13, 2024 6:46 AM
       ESA Madness (by S i d [MO]) Feb 13, 2024 7:59 AM
       ESA Madness (by zero [IN]) Feb 13, 2024 9:03 AM
       ESA Madness (by Jim In O C [CA]) Feb 13, 2024 10:09 AM
       ESA Madness (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Feb 13, 2024 2:10 PM
       ESA Madness (by Allym [NJ]) Feb 13, 2024 2:40 PM
       ESA Madness (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Feb 14, 2024 11:49 AM

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ESA Madness (by Doogie [KS]) Posted on: Feb 12, 2024 6:20 PM
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Got an inquiry on a place I have listed. I gave them the canned response of go to my website and fill out the showing request. I'm hoping that will be just enough to get rid of them.

On the inquiry message, they listed they have an ESA and doctor's prescription to go along with it. At first, I was thinking that at least they knew what they were talking about. Most folks just say "service animal" and they are "registered". However, they went on to say it's a Great Dane that is 6 months old. Oy vey! I'm sure this dog is an ESA because they know that no LL is going to allow it as a pet. Great Dane's are HUGE! To top it off, this one is a puppy! They have no clue what they are doing at that age!

If they apply, I will of course follow all guide lines and accept the ESA with no extra fees/deposit. I might have to do more frequent inspections and issue notices to cure for every issue I find. Digging in the yard would be enough from what I've seen on other Great Dane pups. Love the dog to be honest, but there's also a reason I don't have one.

--45.17.xxx.xxx




ESA Madness (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Feb 12, 2024 6:36 PM
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You will find another reason to deny, if you cant an in home inspection will probably find damage or odor --74.77.xx.xx




ESA Madness (by RB [TN]) Posted on: Feb 12, 2024 7:00 PM
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Next ! --69.130.xxx.xxx




ESA Madness (by Scott [IN]) Posted on: Feb 12, 2024 7:38 PM
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Had a Great Dane in one of my places years ago. It constantly ran the perimeter of the fenced back yard. After 1 year of that, the grass on its path was dead. The dirt was compacted like concrete. After getting rid of the tenant, I had to dig up the soil and aerate before getting grass to grow there again.

If you accept them, plan ahead for lots of yard damage. --107.141.xx.xxx




ESA Madness (by Larry [MN]) Posted on: Feb 12, 2024 7:40 PM
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I don't understand the mentality of someone who is a renter getting a great dane puppy. Might as well hang a sign around your neck saying "don't rent to me". What other poor choices do they make?

Buy your own place and you can do whatever you want. --172.56.xx.xxx




ESA Madness (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Feb 12, 2024 7:43 PM
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First world problems. New age B-S. How did we ever survive for 1,000ís of years without them? How did we sail the seas and settle this nation without them? --24.152.xxx.xx




ESA Madness (by ned [AL]) Posted on: Feb 12, 2024 8:07 PM
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find another reason to deny --74.132.x.xx




ESA Madness (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Feb 12, 2024 10:15 PM
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I wonder if all these animals would rather just be free instead of under human control? --73.190.xxx.xxx




ESA Madness (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Feb 12, 2024 11:08 PM
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Doogie,

The doctors will give anyone a letter. Their assistant pulls the stock letter from the digital file, inserts name, print, and signs.

I wonder if they charge for it.

You already know - document the inquiry and that you invited her to apply.

Reminder: My application states 'Note: Misrepresenting a service animal is fraud by state law and may result in up to $5000 fine and possible jail time.' ESAs are now super rare.

BRAD

--73.103.xxx.xxx




ESA Madness (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Feb 12, 2024 11:08 PM
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Doogie,

The doctors will give anyone a letter. Their assistant pulls the stock letter from the digital file, inserts name, print, and signs.

I wonder if they charge for it.

You already know - document the inquiry and that you invited her to apply.

Reminder: My application states 'Note: Misrepresenting a service animal is fraud by state law and may result in up to $5000 fine and possible jail time.' ESAs are now super rare.

BRAD

--73.103.xxx.xxx




ESA Madness (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Feb 12, 2024 11:16 PM
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PS

I have been thinking about factoring in the affordability calculations the number of persons and animals. Each adds to the cost of living, just like large vehicle payments.

A great Dane would be triple the normal dog cost.

BRAD --73.103.xxx.xxx




ESA Madness (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Feb 13, 2024 1:08 AM
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Can't you still require ALL animals - ESA or pet - to be at least 1 year old?

And other reasonable things like neutered?

As long as there is no additional rental fee --68.229.xxx.xxx




ESA Madness (by Jim in O C [CA]) Posted on: Feb 13, 2024 4:30 AM
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FYI , my last ESA German short hair puppy did $2000 damage by the time it was 6 months old. --146.70.xxx.xx




ESA Madness (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Feb 13, 2024 6:46 AM
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I often wonder about this - the law say for example a service animal could be a mini horse........but what happens when you are offering a small flat of an apartment. Small horses typically don't belong indoors to begin with, but especially not in a small apartment.

So you have a dog that is just under the size of a small horse - now what? We consider quality of life for our tenants and are told to treat ESAs like people - well what about the animals welfare? Maybe its time to ask this question to the humane society asking if there are minimum space requirements for huge dogs or small horses. --24.101.xxx.xxx




ESA Madness (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Feb 13, 2024 7:59 AM
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I believe the LL can refuse an ESA if it would cause undue hardship for the property and/or other tenants. For example, having a rooster in an apartment.... loud crowing. Or a mini-pig that is stuck inside all da with no place to go wander around.

Check with your attorney to be sure, but you might have an out due to the size of the dog. If not, as others have said... SCREEN! Keep in mind: a person who cannot function normally in the most stable environment in their life (i.e. their home, where they control everything from the temp to the noise level) is likely going to have some other problems functioning normally. Find those problems: credit, landlord history, criminal background, etc. --184.4.xx.xxx




ESA Madness (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Feb 13, 2024 9:03 AM
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My sister and her deadbeat got a Dane pup. They camp in their RV all over so they decided to get ESA paperwork so they could still take the mutt with them to non animal friendly parks.

I heard thru the grapevine that even though they have a giant bus type RV the dog is too big.

I don't talk with them any more because of the ESA crap and the handicap placard they kept when her mother-in-law died.

People cheat the system, so now we have to find work arounds for the cheating. --107.147.xx.xx




ESA Madness (by Jim In O C [CA]) Posted on: Feb 13, 2024 10:09 AM
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I just filled a vacancy with a no pets young couple. I considered a no pets discount but thatís probably illegal. --146.70.xxx.xx




ESA Madness (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Feb 13, 2024 2:10 PM
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DJ,

As I have been taught we cannot use ANY criteria for support animals - age, shots, fees, etc.

To SID's point about bothersome animals - he's correct but that would be a HUGE uphill battle dealing with the Fair Housing office who fight for people's rights to ESAs.

BRAD --73.103.xxx.xxx




ESA Madness (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Feb 13, 2024 2:40 PM
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The only scenario for a Dane ESA would be if previous Dane died horribly and they were mentally disabled from the event. Maybe they ran over it? For me, dogs are necessary but I live in a house and it's mine. Someday I may have to live where there are not dogs, say, in a nursing home or a room but I will have to cope with that not make a mess. I had an Irish Wolfhound I rescued at age 4 from the original well known judge and breeder. They had kept her since she looked like her dad who had a magnificent head but she was not breeding material since her legs were too short. Wonderful dog, kind and affectionate, but her meds were hugely expensive even for anything like worming, since she weighed 120 lbs. She lived to be 12 which is very unusual for a dog that size and then her heart failed. I rescued a Shih Tzu after that happened. Her spirit was in my husband's van. She loved to go riding with him. Both of us could feel her spirit in there and he didn't believe any of my "stuff". --173.61.xxx.xxx




ESA Madness (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Feb 14, 2024 11:49 AM
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[[[[[....... As I have been taught we cannot use ANY criteria for support animals - age, shots, fees, etc......]]]]

If you are in an area where state or local law requires a rabies vaccination for all dogs, you can require a current rabies vaccination for a dog and that is about the only thing you can require of a support animal.

You are allowed to reject if the dog is vicious or more than normally destructive. And that individual dog must show violent tendencies and not just be of a breed that might be violent.

So, you are right, there is precious little that you can reject a service animal for and there is darn little that a tenant has to do in order to legally have one... Or two, or three, there is no limit to the number of service animals they can have. --76.178.xxx.xxx



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