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Twice the taxes (by Duplexer [IL]) Feb 9, 2024 4:58 PM
       Twice the taxes (by RB [TN]) Feb 9, 2024 5:04 PM
       Twice the taxes (by plenty [MO]) Feb 9, 2024 5:13 PM
       Twice the taxes (by Duplexer [IL]) Feb 9, 2024 5:17 PM
       Twice the taxes (by Richard [MI]) Feb 9, 2024 5:21 PM
       Twice the taxes (by plenty [MO]) Feb 9, 2024 5:25 PM
       Twice the taxes (by Ken [NY]) Feb 9, 2024 7:22 PM
       Twice the taxes (by MAT [PA]) Feb 9, 2024 8:25 PM
       Twice the taxes (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Feb 9, 2024 9:34 PM
       Twice the taxes (by zero [IN]) Feb 10, 2024 7:43 AM
       Twice the taxes (by tryan [MA]) Feb 10, 2024 8:26 AM
       Twice the taxes (by Marv [IL]) Feb 10, 2024 10:20 AM
       Twice the taxes (by jonny [NY]) Feb 10, 2024 12:00 PM
       Twice the taxes (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Feb 11, 2024 7:19 PM
       Twice the taxes (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Feb 11, 2024 7:20 PM
       Twice the taxes (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Feb 12, 2024 6:54 AM

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Twice the taxes (by Duplexer [IL]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2024 4:58 PM

Property taxes for my duplex rental suddenly more than doubled.

However all the houses around me on the street stayed the same(??!).

I can see the amount they were billed on the County website- and the single family unit being rented next to me (the owner of which had sold me the duplex) was paying less in taxes BEFORE mine doubled. Now he is paying less than half.

They're all about the same size, the houses on each side a little bigger at least from the street as far as I can see. I wasn't allowed in them to see or know anything more.

So I filled out a property tax protest, which was a huge amount of paperwork which had to be submitted in 5 plicate (5 copies). They finally summoned me months later in front of the tax board today. I am relatively low income and only have two rentals which I renovated and maintain myself, so this bill increase is a big deal. Also I finally have decent renters who have limited income. So I am loathe to raise their rent at all.

Anyway when I went in front of the board most of them were reasonable, except this horrible woman on the left. She didn't say anything until the end of my plea, and then tanked the whole thing.

She asks, "What are you charging in rent?" I told her the rent amounts, which are very reasonable for the city. She then told the guy in charge, "He can cover his taxes with just one month."

The board murmured approval to this, and they basically kept the taxes the same, doubled. Next, bye bye.

Yeah, if the only bill I had were taxes!!! How does that logic even make sense. And if income is the measure..... I only have two rentals and the outfit that owns the one next to me has over a hundred, as well as having a maintenance staff. They are way wealthier and paying less than half the tax.

Two other houses who are neighbors are also paying half as much.

Has anybody experienced something like this? It really seems strange and unfair to me. That I have to pay twice as much as everyone else around me, with an almost identical sized house. With the explanation "He can afford it"..?

I'm at a loss. I protested and apparently thats all I can do, they simply say no they're not budging.

Twice the taxes (by RB [TN]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2024 5:04 PM

Because they can.

Twice the taxes (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2024 5:13 PM

Illinois is odd about taxes. Can you object or file another appeal? Is there another step?

Twice the taxes (by Duplexer [IL]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2024 5:17 PM

Has anyone protested their taxes, and had them do that though?

I thought they're supposed to tax you on the value of the house.

Instead they said, "You're a duplex, so you'll paying 2x the taxes."

So why was the rental company who owned the exact same duplex before me paying half as much, when it was also a duplex?

Maddening. You have this belief that somehow the government has to be fair to everyone. But then why do they have to be fair right, if they don't have to.

Twice the taxes (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2024 5:21 PM

When the govt gives themselves the ability to put their hand in your pocket, they often get greedy.There is no limit to what they will take - because they can.

If you don't roll over and pay, they will take your property, your bank accounts and possibly your freedom.

They don't care.

They have endless needs and family and friends that need to be on the payroll.

Your part in this is to work until you can work no more.

What gets me is this: if they can just push a button on a computer and create money for themselves why do they need us?

Aahhh! The answer is because they need people to do the grunt work, to work in the factories making the things they use. You don't think that they want to do factory work or cleaning up, hauling away trash and stuff like that do you? --75.7.xx.xx

Twice the taxes (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2024 5:25 PM

They always ask what are the rents in my state too

Twice the taxes (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2024 7:22 PM

You can sue them.I wish my rents covered the tax bill with 1 month of rent --74.77.xx.xx

Twice the taxes (by MAT [PA]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2024 8:25 PM

Around here, school taxes account for the lionís share of property taxes. If yours is a duplex, maybe their reasoning is that you have two units that could be feeding kids into the school. Are the other nearby houses youíre comparing to also duplexes, or are they single family?

Twice the taxes (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: Feb 9, 2024 9:34 PM

Recently they have a new shell game here. They increased the property taxes but supposedly decreased the water bill.

Ken same here. They bill the school taxes September 1st then the property taxes January 1st. One-Two punch. Wipes out any profit until almost mid year.

Twice the taxes (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Feb 10, 2024 7:43 AM

Could some of the properties you are comparing be owner occupied? Having a homestead credit reduces property taxes a lot around here. Plus they cap OO at 1% and rentals at 2%.

I have fought increases in the past. Usually I get my realtor to pull comps. That won't work now with all the houses being sold for so much more. I agree that you need to see what other options you have.

Also in this area if you did any work to the property and they find out they will increase the value and thus your taxes go up. --107.147.xx.xx

Twice the taxes (by tryan [MA]) Posted on: Feb 10, 2024 8:26 AM

We can Monday morning quarterback this thing .... what rent you charge is irrelevant. Whether you can or can't afford it is irrelevant. It's the neighboring comps that support your claim. Need to to stick to that argument.

Twice the taxes (by Marv [IL]) Posted on: Feb 10, 2024 10:20 AM

Illinois real estate taxes are based on the value of the property. If you think your property is overvalued, protest the tax and get comparison values to back up your objection.

Twice the taxes (by jonny [NY]) Posted on: Feb 10, 2024 12:00 PM

EXACTLY what tryan MA said... it does not matter what anything is (what if you lived there? who cares?). Did ALL of the 2+ buildings (multi, apt houses, etc) go up that same way?

Meaning, if there is a 5 unit.. .are they now paying 5X the taxes? That's not how it works (and if it does then who the heck voted that in??)

Twice the taxes (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Feb 11, 2024 7:19 PM

First off Federal, Provincial and Municipal elections most tenants do not vote so the politicians know this so tenants will end paying higher taxes. Six or more rental units the tax multiplier changes to commercial where it takes four months rent just to pay property taxes. A typical luxury Condominium would pay the equivalent of one months rent even if rented. The extreme leftist who do not even represent 0.01 per cent of population keep talking about huge profits; with rentals where some of chair actually own their own houses. They went against a property tax appeal that would reduce rent as property taxes would go down. The leftist mayor in the city of Toronto has closed to double digit property tax increase on all types of housing where the tenant think they are protected against rent increases under rent control where once the property taxes go up then rental housing will make a application for a above guideline increase for higher rent where may include other operating costs such as utilities beyond rent control threshold. Before the election the Socialist mayor said modest tax increases where tenants believed this lie. A Socialist never looks for on ways to reduce costs rather just increases taxes.

Twice the taxes (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Feb 11, 2024 7:20 PM

So in the end pass the increases in operating cost onto tenants or go bankrupt. Let then tell the politicians they are not cash machine.

Twice the taxes (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Feb 12, 2024 6:54 AM

I would recommend getting an appraisal done for tax reduction purposes and submitting that.

One of the rules of thumb that I use is having the ability to pay the taxes within two months of rent collected and insurance in one months rent.

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