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New Years Rant (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Jan 1, 2024 9:17 AM
       New Years Rant (by Frank [NJ]) Jan 1, 2024 9:23 AM
       New Years Rant (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Jan 1, 2024 9:26 AM
       New Years Rant (by WMH [NC]) Jan 1, 2024 10:26 AM
       New Years Rant (by Scott [IN]) Jan 1, 2024 10:33 AM
       New Years Rant (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Jan 1, 2024 10:56 AM
       New Years Rant (by RB [TN]) Jan 1, 2024 10:56 AM
       New Years Rant (by NE [PA]) Jan 1, 2024 11:02 AM
       New Years Rant (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Jan 1, 2024 11:20 AM
       New Years Rant (by S i d [MO]) Jan 1, 2024 12:52 PM
       New Years Rant (by jonny [NY]) Jan 1, 2024 1:49 PM
       New Years Rant (by Nicole [PA]) Jan 1, 2024 2:00 PM
       New Years Rant (by RB [TN]) Jan 1, 2024 2:01 PM
       New Years Rant (by Ken [NY]) Jan 1, 2024 2:19 PM
       New Years Rant (by Nicole [PA]) Jan 1, 2024 2:28 PM
       New Years Rant (by Sisco [MO]) Jan 1, 2024 3:07 PM
       New Years Rant (by tim [CA]) Jan 1, 2024 3:24 PM
       New Years Rant (by WMH [NC]) Jan 1, 2024 4:51 PM
       New Years Rant (by NE [PA]) Jan 1, 2024 4:57 PM
       New Years Rant (by wmh [NC]) Jan 1, 2024 8:37 PM
       New Years Rant (by WMH [NC]) Jan 1, 2024 8:50 PM
       New Years Rant (by NE [PA]) Jan 1, 2024 9:03 PM
       New Years Rant (by WMH [NC]) Jan 1, 2024 9:16 PM
       New Years Rant (by NE [PA]) Jan 1, 2024 9:41 PM
       New Years Rant (by WMH [NC]) Jan 2, 2024 10:01 AM
       New Years Rant (by NE [PA]) Jan 2, 2024 10:06 AM
       New Years Rant (by WMH [NC]) Jan 2, 2024 2:22 PM
       New Years Rant (by Simplify [NY]) Jan 2, 2024 3:19 PM
       New Years Rant (by zero [IN]) Jan 2, 2024 4:06 PM
       New Years Rant (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Jan 2, 2024 5:46 PM
       New Years Rant (by Jack [TX]) Jan 2, 2024 6:46 PM


New Years Rant (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: Jan 1, 2024 9:17 AM
Message:

For those of you who live in a "scammer/squatter" friendly area and one only needs to "prove residency" by providing an Amazon package delivery address, WHY oh WHY do many mainstream rental ad agencies REFUSE to mask/hide exact street addresses?

I've already had one scammer due to apartments.com advertise the exact street address and I'm extremely small time! I also refuse to take photos of the outside of the building; an open invitation to scammers/squatters!

The town I own in, although near a rural area is the county seat and has a HUGE DSS presence. It is rather low socio economically. so a few silly property owners put out "for rent" signs. Churn and burn.

Exposing the street address to me is the same as saying "please break in here and stay for free!"

What say you?

--64.246.xxx.xxx




New Years Rant (by Frank [NJ]) Posted on: Jan 1, 2024 9:23 AM
Message:

I say "buy in areas that do not have these issues."

--172.58.xxx.xxx




New Years Rant (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: Jan 1, 2024 9:26 AM
Message:

Frank, would love to but out of our price range. DH is just 3 days away from getting his ex off the payroll after 19.5 years. --64.246.xxx.xxx




New Years Rant (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jan 1, 2024 10:26 AM
Message:

I don't advertise empty houses. Unless it's a recent purchase but that's not an everyday occurance.

I also don't use services that insist on publishing the address. --173.28.xx.xxx




New Years Rant (by Scott [IN]) Posted on: Jan 1, 2024 10:33 AM
Message:

Call me silly. I advertise on Zillow and provide an address. I also use a sign in the front yard. My places are in C/D neighborhoods. Never had a squatter, and I have been doing this a long time. There are ways to minimize this problem --107.141.xx.xxx




New Years Rant (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: Jan 1, 2024 10:56 AM
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Scott, you are in a RED state which makes all the difference. I was told by a NYS Trooper (state police) that all someone needs to prove residency is an Amazon street address for delivery and NOT a lease/rental agreement!

--64.246.xxx.xxx




New Years Rant (by RB [TN]) Posted on: Jan 1, 2024 10:56 AM
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Comes with the territory. --69.130.xxx.xxx




New Years Rant (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jan 1, 2024 11:02 AM
Message:

Haha wowÖ we donít advertise empty houses, aka vacancies & we donít post the address so our potential tenants can view our vacancies? What nonsense. But we fill them in 24 hours. Unicorn fairy dust.

I find myself shaking my head in disbelief at this forum more and more all the time. --174.240.xxx.xxx




New Years Rant (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: Jan 1, 2024 11:20 AM
Message:

NE, would love to be you! In NY the tenant has ALL the rights. I don't want to have to hire security to guard my vacancies. And I don't want to have to put in a security system.

I want an ad with cross streets that is all. If the lowly craigsl1st can do this and seeing that scammers and squatters have exploded in number exponentially due to insane legislation, then ad companies would be foolish not to offer this option.

Coming to an area near you! --64.246.xxx.xxx




New Years Rant (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Jan 1, 2024 12:52 PM
Message:

Sell your NY rentals and invest in Missouri. With the much more affordable options here, you'll probably get 3 houses for every one you sell. Plenty of extra rent to hire a long-distance property manager and still not have to put up with shenanigans. Same money, more units, very little hassle.

What's stopping you?

--184.4.xx.xx




New Years Rant (by jonny [NY]) Posted on: Jan 1, 2024 1:49 PM
Message:

I don't know if they can just provide an address and they become squatters... wouldn't they have to actually be INSIDE the property?

If you are in an area that your property is broken into often when it's vacant... who would want to live there? I mean.. at some point if these people leave their apartment... they would know it would be broken into and then leave anyway. Right?

What am I missing here? --69.201.xx.xxx




New Years Rant (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Jan 1, 2024 2:00 PM
Message:

Sorry but I can't imagine even new York can't be that left. You are saying if I send myself a $5 amazon purchase to your home I have rights as a resident? --98.237.xxx.xx




New Years Rant (by RB [TN]) Posted on: Jan 1, 2024 2:01 PM
Message:

NE, I heard that and agree. --69.130.xxx.xxx




New Years Rant (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jan 1, 2024 2:19 PM
Message:

Nicole- If someone breaks into a house and moves in and gets mail and the owner calls the police the squatter will say i live here and the police will say it is a civil matter you have to do an eviction.It has never happened to me,i have heard of it happening a few times to landlords with no clue of how to deal with problems.If you call the police ask them to run warrants on everyone and likely they will be taking them away for that.I just dont tolerate anyone trying to give me a hard time and would remove them myself or have someone squat on them. --74.77.xx.xx




New Years Rant (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Jan 1, 2024 2:28 PM
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okay - I misunderstood. I didn't realize she meant they had to be physically inside - I thought just something with the mailing address was what she meant. --98.237.xxx.xx




New Years Rant (by Sisco [MO]) Posted on: Jan 1, 2024 3:07 PM
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Disregard SIDS post. Missouri is full. Move along. --149.76.xxx.x




New Years Rant (by tim [CA]) Posted on: Jan 1, 2024 3:24 PM
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knowing what you know, why oh why would you use an outfit that posts addresses? --108.201.xx.xx




New Years Rant (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jan 1, 2024 4:51 PM
Message:

NE, if you and RB are talking about my post, remember we follow Jeffrey's teachings about filling vacancies as Job #1 - our houses don't *go* empty between tenants. We advertise 60 days out - old tenant is still there - we show about 45-50 days out - old tenant is still there - and we have a lease signed well before the old tenant moves out.

This has pretty much been true since I first heard Jeffrey speak about it, in 2010, in Jacksonville at our first Convention. And just recently his newsletter (or was it X?) reiterated that FILLING VACANCIES is Job #1.

We took his advice to heart and it has worked for us.

We don't advertise the address because a$$$holes will go by and try to peek in windows or knock on doors, upsetting the current residents as you can imagine!

The only time we advertise truly "empty" places is the first time, on a new place just put in service. --173.28.xx.xxx




New Years Rant (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jan 1, 2024 4:57 PM
Message:

When the rubber meets the road when it comes to theory and practice there is always gaps. Nobody is always that lucky in their turnovers. I donít care who you are. --24.152.xxx.xx




New Years Rant (by wmh [NC]) Posted on: Jan 1, 2024 8:37 PM
Message:

NE do you call it luck when you properly fix a pipe?

But I've OFTEN said that we are super-lucky to live in an area where so many people want to live - and there's not enough housing for them all. I don't know how we'd fill our spaces if we were COMPETING with anyone!

We actually have very little competition. A few luxury apartment complexes (very few, maybe two or three, all owned by the same company) and random private houses and downstairs apartments scattered about. The HUGE houses are not our competition. House like ours stay full at all times.

In fact, I think it was YOU who said they are not building 2/1 SFHs anymore. That's our bread & butter! Hard to get because they are scooped up, knocked down, and another 10-bedroom house built in their place... --173.28.xx.xxx




New Years Rant (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jan 1, 2024 8:50 PM
Message:

I just checked - the last time we had a truly empty place between tenants was also our only eviction that ever went to lock-out, years ago. I filed on September 1st for the eviction, and it wasn't for non-payment of rent as he had already paid September's (waited till he paid to file.) But there were a few weeks after that of waiting for mandatory appeal to end, etc. so October was lost.

However, I had 1.5 months of rent for a deposit, so according to the final accounting, we lost minimal money: had to replace a faucet and a used fridge (punch marks.)

It was re-rented by November 1st.

Again, lucky to live where we live, but not lying about not going empty. --173.28.xx.xxx




New Years Rant (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jan 1, 2024 9:03 PM
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If you have no downtime, youíre probably leaving money on the table. Youíre not so streamlined that your tenants are high fiving each other as the pass in and out of your vacancies. Iím not saying youíre lying, Iím just calling BS. I know your reputation is the ď24 hour turnover QueenĒ but your 24 hour turnovers and pre signing of leases leave no room for the inevitable variables of everyday life.

Damages, move out delays, job losses, contractor delays, midnight move outs, incoming tenant who donít follow through, utility delays, remodels and on and on. --24.152.xxx.xx




New Years Rant (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jan 1, 2024 9:16 PM
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24-hour turnovers only work if you follow Jeffrey's advice of getting into the place as soon as you receive notice and work on the place while still rented. We don't sign a lease on Tuesday and someone moves in Wednesday! That's not what a 24-hour turn-around means.

As noted many many times, we require 60 days notice, we pre-screen heavily, we schedule appointments to show with current resident's cooperation and have signed a lease and collected 2 month's rent as deposit prior to taking anything off the market.

Why does that seem like fairy dust and unicorns? --173.28.xx.xxx




New Years Rant (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jan 1, 2024 9:41 PM
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Itís not normal or common course of business. Youíre not in there remodeling occupied units or changing carpet, painting, etc. You wonít have all your departing tenants beon board with you going in there ON YOUR SCHEDULE and doing whatever for repairs and showing units to strangers leading up to the turnover. Your not in there fixing their damages and calling those damages out potentially putting yourself in harms way with a tenant who disagrees with what you call damage. Hogwash. Maybe sometimes or once in a while, but certainly not all the time. Especially when LL/T relations have soured with the departing tenant. I know it sounds good, but itís not realistic. Especially when you get a whole bunch of turnovers at once. Too many moving parts for it to work as smoothly as you claim. --24.152.xxx.xx




New Years Rant (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jan 2, 2024 10:01 AM
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NE, Happy New Year. Tell you what, I promise that when a turnover falls apart, I will come here and faithfully report all the gory details for your reading and vicarious pleasure. --173.28.xx.xxx




New Years Rant (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jan 2, 2024 10:06 AM
Message:

Please do! You will have countless firsthand experiences to draw from here to help you through it. Every day, landlording kind of stuff. --174.240.xxx.xx




New Years Rant (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jan 2, 2024 2:22 PM
Message:

NE, we've had our share of nightmares! We've been doing this since 2003, and have about 40 doors. So you know we've had some bad move-outs and destroyed units and unpaid damages in those 20 years.

Just not very many since 2010.

But as I said, I promise I will tell you all about the next one that happens. --173.28.xx.xxx




New Years Rant (by Simplify [NY]) Posted on: Jan 2, 2024 3:19 PM
Message:

Around here you don't even need to spend the $ on an Amazon delivery, you can just get a piece of US Mail delivered. In NY, if you've been there 10 days or more, you are no longer a squatter.

We have plenty of houses in C and C- neighborhoods in NY, have indeed experienced folks moving themselves in, or at least hanging out.

Our contractors are trained to call if they 'see something'. In case of emergency, we post a notice that the property has been secured and if you need access call the property manager.

As long as it hasn't been more than 10 days, they are still squatters... --104.255.xx.xxx




New Years Rant (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Jan 2, 2024 4:06 PM
Message:

The squatters laws are simply unbelievable to me. I have never had the problem as when I have a place empty I am usually at it often enough.

Have watched it play out while I was in court. The owner always wins but still has to jump thru so many hoops and lose so much time and money.

I have walked in on squatters before. It wasn't my place. I simply told them I had no dog in the fight but the owner would be sending the popo. I gave them a couple days to be gone. They moved on. Had they not it would have been up to the out of state owner to deal with. I was just there to do some work. He ended up letting the place go back to the bank. Shame really. Not a great place but he could have sold it for what he had left to pay and saved his credit. --107.147.xx.xxx




New Years Rant (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Jan 2, 2024 5:46 PM
Message:

mapleleaf,

Wow. Just wow.

I was going to suggest removing the mailbox so they could not receive mail

then realize the baddies created a simple workaround with an Amazon delivery to the front porch. No mailbox needed.

At the moment my only suggestion is to tighten the locks and windows and install a SimpliSafe system. Inexpensive, wireless, move from house to house, human monitoring available that will call the police if there is a break in.

I just posted a video camera I bought to try, which works on cellular, no wifi or internet needed, wireless, could have a stored video or them breaking in.

Our LL assoc worked with the police chief and judge to set the standard - a correct LEASE to verify occupancy AND to remove scummy boyfriends. The police appreciate the rule and helps them keep the peace.

BRAD

--73.103.xxx.xxx




New Years Rant (by Jack [TX]) Posted on: Jan 2, 2024 6:46 PM
Message:

I watched Youtube this morning. Guy's mother had vacant house about 2 hours away. She had squatters in it. Realtor and neighbors told them. So guy get's his Mother to sign lease with him making him legal in it. Drives 2 hours, parks down the street. Waits for all the cars to leave, goes to house, puts up Ring cameras, I assume changes locks, when squatters return tells them he is squatting on them. Finds two big guys that live across the street and offer them all the furniture in the house for free if they will empty it all onto the driveway. Tells squatters they can use those guys but they will want furniture. Squatters were out by 2AM next day.

--172.58.xxx.xxx





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