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Bowed planks (by Sisco [MO]) Nov 27, 2023 7:55 PM
       Bowed planks (by 6x6 [TN]) Nov 27, 2023 8:02 PM
       Bowed planks (by DJ [VA]) Nov 27, 2023 10:29 PM
       Bowed planks (by plenty [MO]) Nov 27, 2023 10:37 PM
       Bowed planks (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Nov 28, 2023 1:01 AM
       Bowed planks (by Steve [MA]) Nov 28, 2023 7:01 AM
       Bowed planks (by Sisco [MO]) Nov 28, 2023 7:30 AM
       Bowed planks (by RB [TN]) Nov 28, 2023 7:32 AM
       Bowed planks (by Sisco [MO]) Nov 28, 2023 7:33 AM
       Bowed planks (by S i d [MO]) Nov 28, 2023 8:01 AM
       Bowed planks (by zero [IN]) Nov 28, 2023 8:02 AM
       Bowed planks (by Steve [MA]) Nov 28, 2023 8:44 AM
       Bowed planks (by Scott [IN]) Nov 28, 2023 8:56 AM
       Bowed planks (by Scott [IN]) Nov 28, 2023 9:14 AM
       Bowed planks (by plenty [MO]) Nov 28, 2023 9:25 AM
       Bowed planks (by Robert J [CA]) Nov 28, 2023 12:41 PM
       Bowed planks (by Jason [VA]) Nov 28, 2023 3:28 PM
       Bowed planks (by Ed [CA]) Nov 28, 2023 10:56 PM
       Bowed planks (by David [MO]) Nov 28, 2023 11:15 PM
       Bowed planks (by zero [IN]) Nov 29, 2023 7:28 AM

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Bowed planks (by Sisco [MO]) Posted on: Nov 27, 2023 7:55 PM
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I have a problem with vinyl plank flooring in that it has bowed up in many different areas of the house.

The flooring is Lowe’s style selections interlocking 6”x36” planks that was newly installed 20 months ago.

Resident had the house treated for bedbugs using heat method, some weeks afterwards, the floor problems began.

The planks don’t appear to be melted but bowed.

Do you think the bowed planks are a result of the heat treatment? --149.76.xxx.x




Bowed planks (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Nov 27, 2023 8:02 PM
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Moisture.

They may have gotten condensation from the heat. --73.190.xxx.xxx




Bowed planks (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Nov 27, 2023 10:29 PM
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My first thought is that not enough room was left around the edges for expansion.

The heat caused the floor to expand more than it had been previously - assuming the house has always been climate controlled since it was installed. Without enough room to expand, it had nowhere to go except up/bowed. --71.82.xxx.xxx




Bowed planks (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Nov 27, 2023 10:37 PM
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That would be my guess. Heat. Maybe they will relax and lay flat again? --172.59.xxx.xxx




Bowed planks (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Nov 28, 2023 1:01 AM
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Sisco,

Call the manufacturer and ask about the heat.

I suspect the heat.

Any chance the warps are localized such as in front of a heater?

BRAD --174.218.xxx.xxx




Bowed planks (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Nov 28, 2023 7:01 AM
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In order to help determine the cause, it would be helpful to know a few additional things such as:

Is the bowing parallel to the 6" direction or the 36" direction.

Is the bowing mainly near the edge or is it located in the middle of the rooms?

Is the bowing causing the seams to separate?

What is the flooring installed over, wood, concrete, old vinyl, etc.

Was there any type of padding installed under it? If so, what was used?

What level of the house was it installed on, basement, first or second floor?

If on the first floor, is there a crawl space or a regular basement under it?

Has the humidity level changed greatly from either before, during or after the heat treatment?

Is the heating system forced hot air or forced hot water?

Does the house have central air?

Is one area of the house more effected than the rest?

Was adequate expansion space left around the perimeter?

Is it possible that either the base or shoe moulding were installed too tight to the flooring?

Do they have a lot of heavy furniture that is restricting the natural expansion & contraction of the flooring?

With the little info we have & not being able to put eyes on it, I'm definitely leaning towards the high temperature used during the heat treatment caused the vinyl to expand as well as the moisture in the underlayment / subflooring to swell thus causing the bowed flooring. I've seen similar issues with real wood flooring as well as some of the non-vinyl laminate floors that have been flooded or exposed to high humidity.

Unless something other than the heat treatment was recently done, it would seem as though the heat caused this issue. If after talking with the manufacturer, the heat is determined to be the cause, I imagine that you'll be going after your tenant as well as the company who did the heat treatment to make things right.

--72.93.xxx.xx




Bowed planks (by Sisco [MO]) Posted on: Nov 28, 2023 7:30 AM
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Steve MA asked-

In order to help determine the cause, it would be helpful to know a few additional things such as:

Is the bowing parallel to the 6" direction or the 36" direction - 36” direction .

Is the bowing mainly near the edge or is it located in the middle of the rooms? -middle

Is the bowing causing the seams to separate? - yes, somewhat

What is the flooring installed over, wood, concrete, old vinyl, etc.- wood

Was there any type of padding installed under it? If so, what was used? - no

What level of the house was it installed on, basement, first or second floor?- first

If on the first floor, is there a crawl space or a regular basement under it?- yes, it is a mobile home

Has the humidity level changed greatly from either before, during or after the heat treatment? - we have very high humidity in summer, low in winter

Is the heating system forced hot air or forced hot water? - forced hot air

Does the house have central air? - yes

Is one area of the house more effected than the rest? - living room

Was adequate expansion space left around the perimeter? - yes

Is it possible that either the base or shoe moulding were installed too tight to the flooring? Floor had been down for 1 1/2 years and was perfect, not prior issues.

Do they have a lot of heavy furniture that is restricting the natural expansion & contraction of the flooring? - yes

I should also mention that I have 30+ units with this flooring and no similar problems have occurred before. --149.76.xxx.x




Bowed planks (by RB [TN]) Posted on: Nov 28, 2023 7:32 AM
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A long road that ended at the same destination. --69.130.xxx.xxx




Bowed planks (by Sisco [MO]) Posted on: Nov 28, 2023 7:33 AM
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Plenty, heat treatment occurred 3 months ago. I couldn’t say when flooring first showed signs of bowing. Resident notified me 30 days ago. --149.76.xxx.x




Bowed planks (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Nov 28, 2023 8:01 AM
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Sorry to hear about the flooring issue, though. I can't think of anything other than heat too. My vinyl plank floors usually contract this time of year, so we start to see small gaps. Even moisture we've had seep in under bad door sweeps doesn't cause expansion, just soft spots on the sub-floor. I don't know if you'd be able to get the treatment company to grant any compensation, especially if they had you sign a waiver.

For any future BB issues, I recommend chemicals. We've only dealt with BBs once, but the treatment results were immediate and highly effective over the long term. Plus it cost only $400 vs. heat treatment providers wanted thousands of $.

--184.4.xx.xx




Bowed planks (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Nov 28, 2023 8:02 AM
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Wonder what the subfloor looks like? I had a house with a 1/4" masonite type sheet over IPB. Got a small leak in the mechanical room. It made the 1/4" bubble up something fierce.

I never use heat for bedbugs. The few times I have had them it has always been taken care of with chems. The heat gets high for sure, but I would think there would be a lot of people with the same issues coming out of the woodwork if that were the case.

Very interested in hearing what you find. --107.147.xx.xxx




Bowed planks (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Nov 28, 2023 8:44 AM
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Sisco, thanks for the added info. After learning that it's in a mobile home, I'm inclined to say that even though the heat treatment didn't help the bowing, the main cause is moisture in the subfloor. When you compare the places with the highest bowing does it land in between the metal floor ribs that support the subflooring? If yes, then IMO moisture has caused the subfloor to buckle & pull away from the floor ribs aka floor joists. You can confirm this by looking in the crawlspace under the mobile home to determine if there is bowing of the subfloor. While you're under there, you can take some moisture reading in the subfloor where the bowing is the greatest.

If its moisture causing the wood to swell, I don't see any easy fixes. You might try laying some heavy poly on the ground under the mobile home & adding vents to allow the moisture to escape during the humid months. I doubt very much that the vinyl flooring will go down on its own.

One last thought try pushing down on an individual plank to see if just it goes down or if it takes several other planks with it. If it's basically just that one plank than its most likely the vinyl & not the subfloor causing the bowing.

Good luck with finding not only the cause but also the cure.

Please let us know what you find & how you fix it. --72.93.xxx.xx




Bowed planks (by Scott [IN]) Posted on: Nov 28, 2023 8:56 AM
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If you decide to replace the floor, don't use Style Selections from Lowes again. It's their low cost LVP and it is not 100% waterproof like Smartcore and Stainmaster. --107.141.xx.xxx




Bowed planks (by Scott [IN]) Posted on: Nov 28, 2023 9:14 AM
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Using a thicker LVP might give you additional bowing resistance as well. --107.141.xx.xxx




Bowed planks (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Nov 28, 2023 9:25 AM
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Are they wet mopping? Did they pour liquid on the floor in a self help attempt to rid themselves of the bedbugs? I once was at a house with nice hardwood floors, the real hardwood and I was shocked to see them put a full mop of heavy saturated water on the floor to clean, stating how proud they were that they clean this way daily! So I had a little shared information talk with them. Hope they are not doing this now! --172.59.xxx.xx




Bowed planks (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Nov 28, 2023 12:41 PM
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You found out that installing flooring isn't just a do-it-yourself task, you need some knowledge and experience. One rule of thumb is installed a vapor barrier over concrete to limit the transference of moisture to your vinyl plank flooring. --47.155.xx.xxx




Bowed planks (by Jason [VA]) Posted on: Nov 28, 2023 3:28 PM
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Robert found that reading isn’t for him. Mobile homes don’t have concrete floors. But I agree with DJ’s line of thinking. The perimeter gap wasn’t left around the flooring. --174.193.xx.xxx




Bowed planks (by Ed [CA]) Posted on: Nov 28, 2023 10:56 PM
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My guess considering all the information given, is that the flooring doesn't have adequate gap around the perimeter. It's easy to put the stuff in too tight, and the little gap-spacers they sell don't work...tapping the rows together pushes the whole island of flooring in too tight against the first row wall. --108.201.xx.xx




Bowed planks (by David [MO]) Posted on: Nov 28, 2023 11:15 PM
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I had a tenant treat his home for bedbugs with heat treatment. He called about a month later and informed me the flooring was coming apart. When I inspected the flooring and noticed it was dry and brittle, like the petroleum in the plank was depleted out from the heat treatment and it lost its integrity.

I’m sure if you speak with the company that did the treatment they can tell you if this happens with heat treatment.

The tenant ended up having to pay for a new floor to be installed. --199.200.xx.xxx




Bowed planks (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Nov 29, 2023 7:28 AM
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I use the big paint stir sticks around the perimeter that I will be pushing against. Easier than messing with those little wedges. Plus if I ruin one I can always get more next time I buy paint.

If you find that it was an install issue you can either pull the trim and cut with an oscillating tool or cut and put quarter round down. Less pain than replacing the entire floor.

Just guessing that the vinyl will relax after a period of time .

Now if you poured concrete for the floor in your mobile home we will have to discuss other options. (ha ha) --107.147.xx.xxx



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