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Not A Flag But (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Sep 7, 2023 9:14 PM
       Not A Flag But (by plenty [MO]) Sep 7, 2023 9:36 PM
       Not A Flag But (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Sep 8, 2023 12:37 AM
       Not A Flag But (by don [PA]) Sep 8, 2023 12:44 AM
       Not A Flag But (by Oreo [WI]) Sep 8, 2023 2:08 AM
       Not A Flag But (by Bonanza [NC]) Sep 8, 2023 5:38 AM
       Not A Flag But (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Sep 8, 2023 7:23 AM
       Not A Flag But (by 6x6 [TN]) Sep 8, 2023 8:08 AM
       Not A Flag But (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Sep 8, 2023 11:04 PM
       Not A Flag But (by David [MI]) Sep 9, 2023 7:08 AM
       Not A Flag But (by don [PA]) Sep 13, 2023 11:35 PM
       Not A Flag But (by don [PA]) Sep 13, 2023 11:38 PM

Not A Flag But (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Sep 7, 2023 9:14 PM

We occasionally have talks about allowing or restricting flags, banners, or political signs

I did a drive by today, and there standing in my front garden was the Virgin Mary.

That's a new one for me, but it probably isn't likely that a mob of atheists will break all my windows. Any one offended isn't likely to do anything but complain over their own dinner table.

But what about other yard and garden art? Should it be restricted? Plywood cut-outs, rusty farm equipment, pink flamingos? I once had a neighbor that decorated with all sorts of odd stuff, including an ancient outhouse that he placed artistically in his front yard.

This tenant also had an American flag, but it has just been labor day and there are American flags on display all over town. If it turns out he wants it, he can keep it up. I wouldn't ever make anyone take down their American flag that is properly displayed.

Not A Flag But (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Sep 7, 2023 9:36 PM

As a board member for our condo association we deal with this regularly. No restrictions on the American Flag. Holiday decorations have restrictions. Read up on political flags and signs.

Not A Flag But (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2023 12:37 AM

Some suburban areas people dislike a rainbow flag where everyone should keep that personal. Here when a Progressive Conservative provincial or federal sign in on my front lawn then sometimes it is pushed to the ground. The provincial election went to suburb in Toronto where there was not even one sign for leftist Socialist Democratic party only Conservative and few Liberal signs where you already see who was to win the election just by counting signs. I am not against people voting for a leftist party where it is there right to put a sign on the lawn. Like every election in this riding the Liberals and Socialist Democratic party was never able to win here. People here remember the time they voted for the Socialist Democratic party where four years then out like what happens in most provinces.

Not A Flag But (by don [PA]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2023 12:44 AM

I put in my leases no signs, banners, flags, placards, etc. anywhere they can be seen from the public street. I don't need to be replacing a broken window or cleaning thrown paint because someone put a Dallas Cowboys banner or the wrong political sign on my property.

Not A Flag But (by Oreo [WI]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2023 2:08 AM

Like DON, I have the same in my leases. I had an attorney tenant give me a lecture on freedom of speech, but didn't want to put anything up, just questioned it.

I've noticed with the protests, many different signs on lawns for various causes. I noticed one on one of our properties. Many of the neighbors in the area had signs up as well. At the time I didn't say anything, but don't remember seeing anything there lately.

If I were to see something again though, I would address it as a safety issue. That is truly the case in my mind with what we've seen on the news across the country. I've never gotten pushback when I address something as a safety issue. --75.11.xx.xx

Not A Flag But (by Bonanza [NC]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2023 5:38 AM

Personally I'd ignore it as long as they haul that 50 lb statue with them when they leave, otherwise I'd charge them a disposal fee.

Now if you drive by and find 50 statues in the front yard, that's getting a little junky.

Not A Flag But (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2023 7:23 AM

A Virgin Mary statue is deeply tied to two religions - Catholic and Lutheran. How wise would it be to target any specific religion or religious symbol?

SO you have to ask yourself, what happen if instead of Mary, it was a statue of Buddha?

People get edgy when you start talking about symbols. You are correct though to police it. There is a line - somewhere. And the best way to police this, well that depends on the specific resident. I have told the two young bachelors that the Rebel flag curtain was not socially correct and asked them replace it with something a bit controversial. How did I broach that topic? Hey some folks might be offended by your Rebel flag style curtains. Do you know if that symbol brings about damage against the property, that my insurance is going to chase after your renters insurance - does your insurance cover riot damage or is hat coming out of your pocket?

Now they asked why they believe a riot would start. I get it, they see something like that as an out growth of the Dukes of Hazard. A symbol that country folks will some how get by. When I said that might mean something different to others, the curtains came down. These were actual curtains so this wasn't as cut and dry as just having a Disney sheet covering a window.

This is why I provide window coverings - it helps me police the quality of a unit.

Great topic Smoke.

Not A Flag But (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2023 8:08 AM

Good example, Ray.

Not A Flag But (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2023 11:04 PM


For single family homes

My lease is clear: no offensive or vulgar signs or displays. Holiday decorations must be removed within 30 days past the holiday.

Unless things get out of control I feel they can show what they want. Political signage already has local laws - only display 30 days before and remove immediately after election.

Other than that I have bigger fish to fry.


Not A Flag But (by David [MI]) Posted on: Sep 9, 2023 7:08 AM

We had this discussion recently... Brad denied an applicant because he had obscene stickers on his truck. I had a tenant who covered hher entire living room window with a TRU-MP poster. Would you object to that? How about a tenant with a LGB or FJB sticker?

Its completely within the landlords right to dictate what a tenant can put up, but let's not get high and mighty about it , it's just our arbitrary judgement as to what we will allow.

Not A Flag But (by don [PA]) Posted on: Sep 13, 2023 11:35 PM

Brad--No "offensive" signs??? Well, that surely is not a matter of subjective interpretation, right? Offensive to whom? That's why my policy is content neutral.

Not A Flag But (by don [PA]) Posted on: Sep 13, 2023 11:38 PM

Oreo, that attorney does not know much if he claimed that your restriction was an action infringing on freedom of speech. Freedom of speech, ie the 1st Am., only refers to restrictions on free speech imposed by the gov't upon organizations or individuals. Any two people can sign an agreement that limits their freedom of expression, and that is what a lease contract is, a private agreement.

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