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What Not To Do As A LL (by Me [CA]) Sep 7, 2023 4:23 PM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by NE [PA]) Sep 7, 2023 4:46 PM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by WMH [NC]) Sep 7, 2023 4:57 PM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by GKARL [PA]) Sep 7, 2023 6:21 PM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by RB [TN]) Sep 7, 2023 7:26 PM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Sep 7, 2023 10:50 PM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Sep 8, 2023 12:28 AM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by Oreo [WI]) Sep 8, 2023 2:28 AM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by Jim in O C [CA]) Sep 8, 2023 4:21 AM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by zero [IN]) Sep 8, 2023 9:23 AM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by Don [PA]) Sep 8, 2023 8:42 PM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by Hollis [MA]) Sep 8, 2023 8:51 PM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by David [MI]) Sep 8, 2023 9:57 PM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Sep 8, 2023 11:12 PM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by Steve Freeman [IN]) Sep 9, 2023 9:48 AM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by David [MI]) Sep 9, 2023 10:42 AM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by Hollis [MA]) Sep 9, 2023 3:49 PM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by John... [MI]) Sep 9, 2023 8:20 PM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by don [PA]) Sep 9, 2023 11:41 PM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by zero [IN]) Sep 10, 2023 7:41 AM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by David [MI]) Sep 10, 2023 9:14 AM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Sep 10, 2023 10:06 AM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by don [PA]) Sep 10, 2023 3:03 PM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by zero [IN]) Sep 10, 2023 4:52 PM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by don [PA]) Sep 10, 2023 8:57 PM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by zero [IN]) Sep 11, 2023 7:33 AM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by mark [NY]) Sep 11, 2023 8:22 AM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by David [MI]) Sep 11, 2023 9:56 AM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by Tony [NJ]) Sep 11, 2023 10:02 AM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by zero [IN]) Sep 11, 2023 8:10 PM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by John... [MI]) Sep 12, 2023 2:10 PM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by NE [PA]) Sep 12, 2023 2:12 PM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by zero [IN]) Sep 13, 2023 6:56 AM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by Hollis [MA]) Sep 13, 2023 7:23 AM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by Hollis [MA]) Sep 13, 2023 11:40 AM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by John... [MI]) Sep 14, 2023 3:18 PM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by zero [IN]) Sep 14, 2023 5:14 PM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by Tonia [RI]) Sep 16, 2023 5:16 PM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by John... [MI]) Sep 18, 2023 9:39 AM
       What Not To Do As A LL (by zero [IN]) Sep 18, 2023 5:25 PM

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What Not To Do As A LL (by Me [CA]) Posted on: Sep 7, 2023 4:23 PM
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"The Department of Justice filed a lawsuit Wednesday against an Ohio landlord who is accused of sexually harassing female tenants over the past 11 years.

Joseph Pedaline, 71, is accused of violating the Fair Housing Act after he allegedly sexually harassed multiple women at residential properties that he owned or managed in the Youngstown, Ohio, area from at least 2009 to at least 2020, according to the lawsuit filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Ohio." --47.149.xxx.xxx




What Not To Do As A LL (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 7, 2023 4:46 PM
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Problem with this, is even if hes innocent, hes finished. --24.152.xxx.xx




What Not To Do As A LL (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Sep 7, 2023 4:57 PM
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"sexually harassed multiple women at residential properties that he owned or managed in the Youngstown, Ohio, area from at least 2009 to at least 2020..."

Seems like there are more than one or two and the complaints spanned several years. I'm guess there is a real ham or two amid all that smoke. --50.82.xxx.xxx




What Not To Do As A LL (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Sep 7, 2023 6:21 PM
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This is the reason I avoid being with any female tenants alone. Moreover, I keep a strict distance with all tenants so nothing can be misinterpreted. Even with that, someone can make up some stuff simply to cause you a problem. --209.122.xx.xxx




What Not To Do As A LL (by RB [TN]) Posted on: Sep 7, 2023 7:26 PM
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Prove it. --24.183.xxx.xxx




What Not To Do As A LL (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Sep 7, 2023 10:50 PM
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If there was one or even two complaints, I would think that a 71 year would know enough on how to act in public. But when a couple become multiple and this spans over several decades......I am inclined to believe that someone might be in some deep hot water.

--24.101.xxx.xxx




What Not To Do As A LL (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2023 12:28 AM
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It is always better to keep personal life and business life separate. Where if want that action it is better to pay to play. Had a eviction drag out for year where she claimed harassment for rent where photographs of every single text where not even one text about rent. If is a simpler to prevent them from putting stay on the sheriffs order where they out once and for all. Any thing personal then will have issues with rent where the pay to play is not part of the business. Some men will take in a woman then live without paying for rent. Even if a renter that can lead to problems. --74.220.xxx.xxx




What Not To Do As A LL (by Oreo [WI]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2023 2:28 AM
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Most of our tenants are women. In the past, I always accompanied male contractors and husband so the women felt comfortable and the male counterpart was not put in the position to be accused of any funny business.

Our plumber had too many stories of women coming on to him and we had one tenant that made it known I could leave him alone with her. --75.11.xx.xx




What Not To Do As A LL (by Jim in O C [CA]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2023 4:21 AM
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I take my wife of many years with me if I need to be with any female under 40. I once had a lady around 25 dressed in less than than skimpy beach attire be very embarrassed when my wife walked in bringing my tools. She decided to move the following month. Another time i had a early 50s tenant that was too friendly so wife always came with me. Better safe than sorry. --99.23.xxx.x




What Not To Do As A LL (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2023 9:23 AM
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Don't get your honey where you get your money! --107.147.xx.xxx




What Not To Do As A LL (by Don [PA]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2023 8:42 PM
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Jim, what difference does them being 40 make? You think a 45 year old cant make a harassment claim? --73.141.xxx.xxx




What Not To Do As A LL (by Hollis [MA]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2023 8:51 PM
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Pro: I think that why its a good idea to use a body cam these days, they have come WAY down in price esp if you know where to buy them.

Con: for that guy,.. it probably not a choice that long ago.AND who would keep the files that long of a time.

Further pro,..letting know you have one and its recording (saying something like "Oh why do I have this? I let it run all day so I don't have to take notes to remember things like buying supplies, things to do later etc")... this way she might not try to falsify anything, knowing that things are/might be recorded..

Some years ago,..I fired a office worker because I was pretty sure she was stealing,...AND I over heard her telling another female that worked part time for me,..and longer hours at another place,..that girl was saying that her other boss wasn't happy with her and fired her. Female #1 said said she should ask for a big severance pay,..and a good future reference.,..and if he didn't agree,.. threaten sexual harassment,..

#2 said but he never did that,..female #1 said "it didn't matter,..you have a powerful weapon.

I decided not to wait, so I fired her, (I had I felt enough evidence of her stealing, plus another worker also confessed that they were both doing it)

So she tried to pull that with me, even got a lawyer to send e a threatening letter claiming that,..until I told her and the lawyer that we have a small cam on in the office,.(she knows I'm a electronic gadget guy)

I found out from a 3rd woman,..that the lawyer told her to drop it. and never hard anymore about it.

--73.159.xxx.xxx




What Not To Do As A LL (by David [MI]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2023 9:57 PM
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I posted a few weeks ago about an application who'd filed multiple lawsuits in the past. I think this discussion exemplifies what someone who sues a lot is a red flag for.

Anyways, I think avoiding being alone with tenants is unnecessary. Tradesmen goto residencies all the time, they don't need cameras or a chaperone. Just act professional and avoid small talk --68.56.xxx.xx




What Not To Do As A LL (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2023 11:12 PM
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I dont know the guy and Im not defending him

BUT

Claiming harassment is easy, popular, and a go to for Millenials and younger.

Never alone with a woman and body cams. At lease turn your phone on RECORD VOICE MEMO for an audio of the conversation.

BRAD --73.103.xxx.xxx




What Not To Do As A LL (by Steve Freeman [IN]) Posted on: Sep 9, 2023 9:48 AM
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Zero pity for misbehaving landlords; none.

I subscribe to the Dept of Justice Daily Digest Bulletin and I FREQUENTLY see posts of landlords doing bad things, especially to women and people of color.

Every tenant is a tester - every single one. Act accordingly.

--68.50.xx.xxx




What Not To Do As A LL (by David [MI]) Posted on: Sep 9, 2023 10:42 AM
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Brad, what would be on your recording of the lease signing? Mine mostly consists of "sign here here and here" and this is how you pay rent, and here are the keys --68.56.xxx.xx




What Not To Do As A LL (by Hollis [MA]) Posted on: Sep 9, 2023 3:49 PM
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Well again, the body cams have gotten so cheap, I think the one I got cost me $25 and works pretty well. I'm going to order another one for $35 as a spare in my toolbox it is supposed to be a bit more high definition.

Again maybe the biggest use/tool of these are the fact that somebody knows that you are using one, and you can tell them it's just for taking notes, remembering to buy supplies, to call people later etc,etc. Actually I always casually point it out, telling them its just so my memory doesn't fail me as I have so much to remember each day,

I never have had someone make an issue of photoing their apt,..if they did I would ask them to step outside to address the reason why I'm there.

If you knew you were being recorded, or even possibly being recorded, would you try to make up a lie? Even if later you don't see a cam on me,..can you be sure its not more hidden?

I don't know about you but I can't drag somebody along with me every time I try to visit a property or to have a conversation with the tenant.

I think its great insurance.AND,..sometimes useful for other reasons (I also use a mini voice recorder for notes) i t has helped me with recording phone numbers and lots of other things,.often in doing it,..it seems to also put in a more accessible part of my brain and I don't generally need to play it back,..but occasionally my memory fails me,.and I have a go to tool to retrieve it if necessary.

--73.159.xxx.xxx




What Not To Do As A LL (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Sep 9, 2023 8:20 PM
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David: It is all about what ISN'T on the recording. It's done to try to avoid any inaccurate harassment claim. If you have a recording of the lease signing that is just you saying "sign here and here, blah blah blah" -- but she SAYS that you offered for her to exchange sexual favors instead of the rent -- then having that recording that does NOT have that is what you want to have.

--75.128.xxx.xxx




What Not To Do As A LL (by don [PA]) Posted on: Sep 9, 2023 11:41 PM
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The behavior that is good natured flirting back and forth when the relationship is good is characterized as harassment when the landlord-tenant relationship goes bad. --73.194.xxx.xxx




What Not To Do As A LL (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Sep 10, 2023 7:41 AM
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Even if I wasn't happily married I would not be flirting with a tenant. --107.147.xx.xxx




What Not To Do As A LL (by David [MI]) Posted on: Sep 10, 2023 9:14 AM
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Don, a LL should never ever flirt with a tenant , even good natured and initiated by tenant. I would say that a LL should not even be socially friendly with a tenant. Polite and professional but never friendly.

I suspect a lot of trouble comes from borderline class C tenants . The class A tenants with good credit have a reputation to protect and won't trash it by making up stories. --68.56.xxx.xx




What Not To Do As A LL (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Sep 10, 2023 10:06 AM
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Don, there should not be any good natured flirting back and forth with a tenant or an employee.

Not accusing you, but what some men consider "good natured flirting" is quite unpleasant for the woman who has to put up with it when the man is in a position of power, like her boss or her landlord. Just because you are having a good time does not mean that the woman is also having a good time.

Just don't do it, no matter how much you, yourself, are enjoying it. --76.178.xxx.xxx




What Not To Do As A LL (by don [PA]) Posted on: Sep 10, 2023 3:03 PM
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oregon-----if the woman is the one initiating it is it not reasonable to believe that she is enjoying it? --73.194.xxx.xxx




What Not To Do As A LL (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Sep 10, 2023 4:52 PM
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Don, I am not a lawyer but I think there are laws that will come back to bite you.

Guess maybe if I became infatuated with a tenant and the feeling was likewise I would make them not my tenant any more.

I have read countless stories about how she initiated it but he still got tagged as a predator. Why even take the chance? Not even talking about the moral obligation, but the financial risks?

Plenty of fish in the sea, or so I have heard. --107.147.xx.xxx




What Not To Do As A LL (by don [PA]) Posted on: Sep 10, 2023 8:57 PM
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Zero, I agree with what you wrote; that was kind of my point---that many were condemning the LL for allegedly harassing the tenant but they should not necessarily agree with the tenant as flirtations that the tenant actually initiated are recharacterized when things go bad. --73.194.xxx.xxx




What Not To Do As A LL (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Sep 11, 2023 7:33 AM
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The tenant has nothing to lose in that scenario.

LL flirts back, maybe T gets some extra stuff, less rent or whatever.

LL doesn't flirt back, maybe T drops it. Maybe T moves forward with the flirtation. Maybe T accuses LL anyhow.

It is a sad world where everyone needs to cover their own backside. --107.147.xx.xxx




What Not To Do As A LL (by mark [NY]) Posted on: Sep 11, 2023 8:22 AM
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I agree with a cheap body cam. Even if its not on,..they don't know that and much less likely to pull some lie. Make sure they know you use one --96.236.xxx.xxx




What Not To Do As A LL (by David [MI]) Posted on: Sep 11, 2023 9:56 AM
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"It is a sad world where everyone needs to cover their own backside"

Do they? How many tradespeople, electricians, plumbers HVAC have shown up at your properties with a bodycam? --174.245.xx.xxx




What Not To Do As A LL (by Tony [NJ]) Posted on: Sep 11, 2023 10:02 AM
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I carry a voice recorder during IN-PERSON showings and lease signing. This is legal in my state but not in neighboring Pennsylvania. As this is state specific it's good to get legal advice on how to be pro-active in these situations. --73.215.xxx.xx




What Not To Do As A LL (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Sep 11, 2023 8:10 PM
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David, none of my people do as far as I know.

Maybe they are all lucky. Maybe it isn't as bad as some think. Either way it is sad that anyone at any time can be wrongfully accused and the world will see them as guilty either way.

I do not record my life but I also do not put myself in the situations where I could be seen as wrong.

--107.147.xx.xxx




What Not To Do As A LL (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Sep 12, 2023 2:10 PM
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I record the audio on my phone when I go into units for anything. Whether or not that is legal in my state is actually still being debated. But I don't care. I do it and if I was every accused of something untrue, I'd happily release the audio to prove it untrue. I don't care if it is admissible in court or not -- and I don't care if they tried to sue me over an illegal recording. I'd much rather admit to an illegal recording proving that I'm innocent of assault or some other transgression -- than to have people think that I actually did it.

--67.209.xxx.xx




What Not To Do As A LL (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 12, 2023 2:12 PM
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Excellent John. Perfect example of breaking the rules when it benefits you. Good idea by the way. --24.152.xxx.xx




What Not To Do As A LL (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Sep 13, 2023 6:56 AM
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John, How long do you keep the recordings? --107.147.xx.xxx




What Not To Do As A LL (by Hollis [MA]) Posted on: Sep 13, 2023 7:23 AM
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Audio recordings gets complicated. Esp that they can be altered these days,...audio with video are much stronger.

recordia.net/en/are-recorded-conversations-admissible-in-court-usa/ --73.159.xxx.xxx




What Not To Do As A LL (by Hollis [MA]) Posted on: Sep 13, 2023 11:40 AM
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I also see over at TEMU one can buy this.I have never tried one but they are about 30.00

Possibility has other (legal) uses,..ie lumber yards ,carpet stores, etc. or any other place you would like to remember things for later.

1PC Smart Video Camera Glasses 1080P HD Camera Glasses, Sports Outdoor Glasses, Portable Camera Ultra Clear Camera Glasses With 32GB Memory Card --73.159.xxx.xxx




What Not To Do As A LL (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Sep 14, 2023 3:18 PM
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NE: Indeed. Technically, it probably isn't even illegal here. Michigan used to be considered a 2-party state for recording. But now it is mostly considered a 1-party state. Nothing in the law changed, it has just been interpreted differently more recently. So, technically, probably not even breaking the rules. (But I would even if it was. Because I don't believe that it really negatively affects anyone else by doing so.)

Zero: Probably a year, at least? I just leave them on my phone and then maybe clean it up every now and then. Audio takes very little space -- so it is a negligible amount of the phone's storage. --67.209.xxx.xx




What Not To Do As A LL (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Sep 14, 2023 5:14 PM
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John, How are you able to track what recording was where over a year's time? Do you start it with the place you are entering?

Legit questions, not trolling. --107.147.xx.xxx




What Not To Do As A LL (by Tonia [RI]) Posted on: Sep 16, 2023 5:16 PM
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RI is a one party state so I can have a recording / body cam without permission by the other party. What about states that are two party, and the other person said no to being recorded? --50.233.xx.xxx




What Not To Do As A LL (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2023 9:39 AM
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Zero: I just hit a button to start recording on an app on my Android phone before I go in. It automatically adds the date/time. If I ever had to go back and year and see where/when I was at a unit, I could simply go to Google Maps for the dates of the recordings and take a look.

--67.209.xxx.xx




What Not To Do As A LL (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Sep 18, 2023 5:25 PM
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Simplicity at its finest.

Thanks for the follow up. --107.147.xx.xxx



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