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crackdown - ceiling fans (by Tony [NJ]) Posted on: Aug 26, 2023 8:59 AM
Bi de n admin's latest home appliance crackdown - ceiling fans
Breck Dumas 4–5 minutes
Ceiling fans are now the latest target in the Bi den administration's green agenda, sparking pushback from Republicans and manufacturers.
The Department of Energy is proposing a rule that would require ceiling fans to be more energy efficient, arguing the move would save U.S. households on energy costs.
According to the Energy Department's analysis, the new rules would save households about $39 over the lifespan of the new energy-efficient fan. However, the cost to manufacturers associated with the increased equipment will total $86.6 million per year, the department said.
Republicans on the House Committee on Small Business say that if the rule goes into effect, it could put small manufacturers out of business, given the costs the companies would incur in order to comply with the changes.
"This rule would require numerous small business fan manufacturers to redesign their products and may put between 10 and 30 percent of small business ceiling fan manufacturers out of business," the GOP members of the committee wrote in a letter to Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm on Thursday. "It appears that the Department of Energy (DOE) may not have properly considered small entities during this rulemaking process."
In a statement to FOX Business on Friday, a DOE spokesperson defended the potential new rule changes, saying, "These proposed standards, which are required by Congress, wouldn’t take effect until 2028, would give Americans more energy efficient options to choose from, and would save hardworking taxpayers up to $369 million per year, while substantially reducing harmful air pollution — a crucial fact that some have conveniently failed to mention."
The agency said standard residential ceiling fans complying with the proposed rule would cut consumers' electricity costs to operate fans by roughly 40% compared to with the least-efficient fans currently on the market. The DOE estimates the purchase price of fans would increase by around $10 a piece if the new regulations are put in place, and says that additional cost would be covered by energy bill savings in about four years.
The Energy Department has been on the warpath to impose more stringent regulations on household appliances for the past several months, proposing new standards for gas stoves, ovens, washing machines, refrigerators, air conditioners, dishwashers and other essentials as part of its mission to advance energy efficiency and conservation.
On his first day in office in January 2021, President Bi d en signed an executive order requiring the Energy Department to make "major revisions" to current appliance regulation standards and standards set by the Tr ump administration. A month later, the agency listed more than a dozen energy-efficiency rules impacting appliances like water heaters, cooking products and lamps, that it would review.
"Their philosophy is energy efficiency at all costs or energy efficiency no matter the cost," a former senior Energy Department official, who served during the Tru mp administration, previously told Fox News Digital. "That means we are going to see, as a result of their efficiency standards, higher-priced appliances. It's that simple."
FOX Business' Hillary Vaughn and Thomas Catenacci contributed to this report. --73.215.xxx.xx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Aug 26, 2023 9:05 AM
I don’t typically install ceiling fans. Time to start putting them and gas stoves in wherever applicable. --24.152.xxx.xx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Aug 26, 2023 9:08 AM
Actually, this reminds me, I need to call the chimney sweep for the seasonal cleaning of my flue and old fashioned Fisher woodburner. I love the first smell of woodsmoke in the air in the fall. --24.152.xxx.xx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by David [MI]) Posted on: Aug 26, 2023 9:09 AM
It costs $500-$1000 to run a gas line for gas stove. But sure ,any thing to own the libs! --68.56.xxx.xx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Aug 26, 2023 9:25 AM
David! How ya doin cupcake? It doesn’t cost much at all if you’re not afraid to get your fingernails dirty. But yes, anything on the libs at this point. Or resist stupid rules from corrupt politicians regardless of which side they’re on. --24.152.xxx.xx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by David [MI]) Posted on: Aug 26, 2023 9:28 AM
YUP I still have my "SPEED MANDATES ARE TYRANNY" bumper sticker. but i also roll thru red lights like they're just advisory --68.56.xxx.xx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Aug 26, 2023 9:34 AM
Oh I definitely speed when it suits me. But the ceiling fans and the gas stove things, I’m not interested in any more of the progress for the greater good, especially when it comes from libs. So the remodel that I just started, I might buy some old and inefficient ceiling fans to stick in it. Just cuz.
And went all the “comply no matter what” bootlickers yank their perfectly fine fans out of their properties and send them to auction, I will buy and reuse those as well. Hey, I’m a recycler now! We’re like BFF’s! --24.152.xxx.xx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Aug 26, 2023 10:04 AM
In order to make a ceiling fan more efficient than a 3 phase motor with electronic board to convert to AC to DC than 3 phase which would drive costs. Using a ceiling fan compared to using AC is much less. The environment advocates say get rid of gas stove then buy a very expensive induction stove where during peak times they use natural gas turbines for electricity where there is 3 per cent loss in transmission. Unlike the Us we pay a carbon tax on gasoline, natural gas, heating oil, diesel where even with the carbon tax it costs one third of the cost of electricity. Using a EPA rated wood stove where wood is free then zero cost for carbon tax. In about less than two years the federal Liberals are unlikely to win the next election where the progressive Conservatives may win a majority where the carbon tax is history. If people have more money they can spent more on spray foam insulation which is going to reduce energy consumption. If they forced laundromats to use commercial electric clothes dryers then next day would close down. It would more sense to electrify rail lines for high speed passenger and freight than not use long distance trucking and short haul flights. --74.220.xxx.xxx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by Plenty [MO]) Posted on: Aug 26, 2023 11:43 AM
Must cost all of $1.50 a year to run a ceiling fan. What are the energy cost to run a ceiling fan? --172.59.xxx.xx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Aug 26, 2023 12:23 PM
No dog in the fight but I had gas line put in at my place and it cost me nothing. Well I had to run the lines inside the house but that was going to happen if there was gas on the property or not.
I have ceiling fans in more than half of my places. Sometimes it really helps. Have electric only apartments with AC at the top of the stairs. Running the fans makes it livable in there.
Have a fan in the master bed and the den (office) at my place.
You can buy fans for cheap. You can also spend big bucks on them. I go for a little better than the cheap ones as they can get torn up the same and I don't have the cost involved.
Can't see how making a ceiling fan more energy efficient will save enough to pay for the rules and mandates to get there. But maybe that is just a feel good thing. --107.147.xx.xxx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Aug 26, 2023 12:32 PM
How they look at it is that over 10 million ceiling fans there will be a energy savings. Have welding machines that use a inverter power supply which uses less energy than the transformer type. Light weight where less energy is used. If houses and.buildings went to net zero then there would be a significant energy saving where no eeed to be connected to the grid. AC and hearing uses more energy than a ceiling fan where at night use ceiling fan to cool off room then use a fan to cool off house where open balcony door and front door with screen than air can flow through. Like everywhere else the leftist nuts do understand reality that operating rental buildings is expensive where in the apartment buildings it was a $1,000 per day. Constant repairs, renovations, taxes, utility costs. Buildings that heat, electricity was separated out used less energy as tenants used carefully --74.220.xxx.xxx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Aug 26, 2023 12:52 PM
A dollar chasing a dime. Notice they didn't include any of the salaries of the federal bureaucrats in their savings calculation, I have seen enough "research" by the Government entities, i use that term loosely, that I know how skewed the results are. Got to justify their existence. --209.205.xxx.xx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: Aug 26, 2023 2:02 PM
NE, glad to see you are back!
David in wHitler country, Let me know when they start cutting the oligarchy, err I mean gov't workers salaries and pensions at the top like MikeA said.
Any time the "experts" tell you one thing, do the opposite. I'm old enough to remember paper bags were bad and plastic ones "were the answer." AHEM! --64.246.xxx.xx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Aug 26, 2023 2:09 PM
Maple leaf gets it! Time for real Americans to do the opposite of what they’re told when it’s nonsense. That’s the point of history where in. Unfortunately there’s not too many of us left. --24.152.xxx.xx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by Alan [CA]) Posted on: Aug 26, 2023 2:39 PM
Have you heard the Feds are planning to limit the size and brightness of big screen TV's to cut the power consumption? --71.198.xxx.xxx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Aug 26, 2023 2:45 PM
Money grab --73.190.xxx.xxx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by David [MI]) Posted on: Aug 26, 2023 4:42 PM
Maybe Texas can use more efficient ceiling fans.. they were very close to rolling blackouts yesterday --68.56.xxx.xx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by Homer [TX]) Posted on: Aug 26, 2023 5:50 PM
I keep a nice stock of gas water heaters and a few fans. Next HD sale I will have to buy 40 or so ceiling fans before the new rule takes place. Cost will triple . Hopefully we can get The Boss back to straighten out the mess this clown has caused. --138.229.xxx.xxx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Aug 26, 2023 8:45 PM
So far it is optional on efficiency where only use the most efficient heating, hot water heaters. In the EU they use boilers to heat houses where a indirect hot water tank with immersion coil inside a stainless steel tank. Spray foam insulation is the best to retrofit. In the house have 5 ceiling fans where each bedroom, dining and front entrance. A indirect hot tank compared to direct fired hot water gas fired was about the same price where connected up to high efficiency gas boilers. A indirect hot water tank can last up to 30 years. I mainly bought ceiling fans at the restore and online used. It is common here where government employees are over compensated for what they do. --74.220.xxx.xxx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by gevans [SC]) Posted on: Aug 26, 2023 9:26 PM
So, the consumer saves $39 over the lifespan of the fan, and it costs an extra $100 up front?
We need politicans who can do math. --69.80.xx.xxx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Aug 27, 2023 2:53 PM
It's new, new math, or you forgot to carry the one? --107.147.xx.xxx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by David [MI]) Posted on: Aug 27, 2023 3:16 PM
Homer you're going to lose more money to the Texas property tax mess than any high efficiency ceiling fans. And why anyone would install ceiling fans in a rental is beyond me, let tenants use their own. Fans. --68.56.xxx.xx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Aug 27, 2023 3:28 PM
In rental buildings installed ceiling fans in kitchen where bought most ceiling fans online or the Habitat for Humanity restore. Had some broken which was very rare. Had to replace some of the original ceiling fans in house where used online or the Habitat for Humanity restore. While was never keen on dishwashers where again keep them was again only bought used. One time bought a used dishwasher at the restore where it was draining. Took the pump assembly apart then cleaned out debris then work well. In the house bought a used Bosch dishwasher as costed less then buying new racks. Was told pump was a problem where swapped out then again cleaned out drain assembly where original pump was good. A lot of used dishwashers the drain assembly needs to cleaned where that is a easy fix. A reverse flush through drain hose. A lot of people do not clean out filter on bottom of dishwasher. --74.220.xxx.xxx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Aug 27, 2023 4:25 PM
We need politicians who are attentive to REAL ISSUES facing the country.
All of above postings consider ONLY the consideration of money, and trivial amounts at that. money in, money out. Ho mush money is left over. There is so much more involved.
ENERGY IS POWER! That’s why our country leads and needs energy independence.
Don’t you understand what power it is?
Doesn’t anyone remember 1973, when the Saudi’s refused oils shipments to the US at the outbreak of the October war with Israel? Here in the US, there were long lines for existing fuel supplies, when you could find any. The possibility of no fuel oil for winter was a genuine threat in cold areas. Politically, Henry Kissinger had to promise the Saudis that he would do everything that he could to see that Israel returned the captured territories, a promise that he himself had advocated but would not have otherwise given any US commitment. Israel, ostensibly our friend, was enraged. In those pre-energy-independence days, oil was king, those with oil ruled the world and those without oil were utterly dependent on those that did.
Energy Independence affects our balance-of-payments, too. Aside from relief from oil payments, oil in the rest of the world is used extensively in manufacture of many, many products. So every time you buy some cheap plastic gimmick from Home Depot, you are reimbursing China (in US$) what they paid for petroleum (in Yuan, at dollar-denominated price), thus increasing China’s dollar reserves, lessening China’s dollar payments and netting a decrease is US dollar balance of payments.
Look at the problem of Poland, we tried to get them to help Ukraine by supplying them with F-14s, they declined, worrying about the possibility of a cold winter without Russian natural gas, we had to promise them to provide stocks elsewhere, at our expense, even though Poland is desperate for NATO protection again Russian hegemony.
ENERGY IS POWER and US cannot operate without that power. Without it, almost everything that we have and need is dependent on that power in a changed world. That’s why US has led an Energy Independence campaign since 1973 and we are SO DEPENDENT on it, politically, economically, resource-wise and to counter the effects of previous fossil-fuel recklessness. Even small amounts used
by individuals add up when the statistics are aggregated over the whole US economy. Plus, don’t forget how good research spawns even better research. You need new and good simple ideas to create new and good complicated ideas.
Those who can only see pennies in, pennies out, how much is left over are the wrong people to lead the country.
crackdown - ceiling fans (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Aug 27, 2023 4:36 PM
Ya but Moshe, you’re forgetting the credibility factor. They don’t have any left. --24.152.xxx.xx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Aug 27, 2023 6:10 PM
I don't understand.
Just what is this "credibility factor"?
Russia doesn't have a lot of credibility, but they were able to worry Poland A LOT, by threatening to cut off their natural gas for the winter, if Poland sent planes to Ukraine (to be replaced from US funds). Energy gave Russia power to intimidate Poland into defying US wishes. I don't know what we had to do to finally get Poland to cooperate, but I'm sure it cost us a lot (financial or otherwise) and its all because energy gave Russia the means of power over Poland. We can't afford a lot of that.
"They don’t have any left." Who is "they" and what don't they have any left of, and how is that relevant to the necessity of a national energy independence program and its relationship to trivial projects like power consumption of ceiling fans?
crackdown - ceiling fans (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Aug 27, 2023 6:28 PM
If you have to ask, you won’t understand --24.152.xxx.xx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Aug 27, 2023 8:54 PM
Try me, I might surprise you.
On the other hand, maybe there really isn't any good explanation.
Stop & Think: How do you build a national policy to not only conserve energy but to manage a whole country the size of the US (and with the economy of the US) to be able to regain the balance of credibility (there's that word again) that the free world used to have when energy politics were more simple?
The credible answer that has been decided on is, not only to conserve, but to develop new sources, renewable source, and to use our technological productivity to make USA no longer vulnerable to foreign interest that possess energy, and to make OUR technology able to better control the world because we have the energy to sustain ourselves when the rest of the world.
And how do you carry out a program like that? You must carry out ALL applications of the technology, to make energy self-sufficiency happen EVERYWHERE IN OUR LIVES, from power consumption of ceiling fans to volume of telephones (decrease battery usage) to lessening weight of electric cars (700 lb batteries instead of 7000 lbs) to new types of light bulbs, to electric cars, to quantum computers (not only faster but less power consumption), EVERYTHING has to examined and improved. And you can't ignore how new discoveries spawn even newer and better discoveries.
Rent money in, rent expenses out, how much is left over? But thats too simple to describe our way of life in America today. Thats not our only concern.
crackdown - ceiling fans (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Aug 27, 2023 9:12 PM
Perhaps the focus of the energy police should be reducing the over all cooling cost of a home. A fan might be $10 this year to cool a room. How much does an HVAC system cost to cool that same space? Could be $500. Yet, what is the target?
Seems like to me they are picking up pennies and leaving dollars. But at least at the end of the day, politicians will feel good that they did something.
Never mind all the laws that are currently disregarded. Saving 10 KW of power in 2023 will save the planet while they cool down there building while using Mega-Watts of power --24.101.xxx.xxx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Aug 27, 2023 9:52 PM
Ray, you need to think more globally.
This is a government program, with just one of its goals being to reduce energy usage while still trying to provide the same level of benefits to citizens.
Just one reason is to reduce dependence on foreign governments by other countries that we want in OUR sphere of influence. Belarus wants favors from us and favors from Russia. In fact, they NEED them. But Belarus gets cold in winter and whoever can sell them gas will keep them warm. Its a powerful persuader. So, whose friend should they be? America has more to give, but Russia can provide fuel at a cheaper cost. So they are dependent on Russia and no friend to America. If we want to prevent the next war in Europe, how do we do that? A US energy policy can help.
This is serious business, not just a toy for politicians. It doesnt matter that by requiring energy efficient ceiling fans, manufacturers will have to spend for new equipment, more than the dollar savings achieved by the new fans. What matters is the participation in the overall effort to REDUCE fossil-based fuel usage EVERYWHERE and we will make up the cost of new equipment by increased growth and productivity, instead of nickel and dimeing at the initial cost. Its a GOOD program for the US and it should be supported, instead of trying to focus on silly and petty concerns. Is import for the future of USA.
crackdown - ceiling fans (by don [PA]) Posted on: Aug 28, 2023 1:22 AM
Saves $39 over the life of the fan and cost average $10 more. Life of a ceiling fan is maybe 20 years? So ten bucks up front to save two dollars a year? Not horrible, Of course, if you only have the fan ten years, then you spent ten bucks up front to save about twenty.
Most likely, if what has happened with other appliances holds true, the revised fans will not work as well nor as long as the older simpler ones did.
This shows Joe has no faith in the free market. If consumers were clamoring for ceiling fans to save them a couple of bucks a year in electricity, the manufacturers would do that on their own to take market share. Instead, Sleepy Joe forces it upon us and then says what a great benefit he gave us. --73.141.xxx.xxx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by don [PA]) Posted on: Aug 28, 2023 1:27 AM
Moshe--What the F are you talking about? Increasing efficiency of the economy by decreasing use of fossil fuels? Fossil fuels are the cheapest source of energy.
We should be looking for ways to increase our energy production, not chasing ever-diminishing returns from trying to squeeze out more and more from our appliances. Fridges used to last 30 years, these new high efficiency ones with their electronics are lucky to go 7 years. How the heck is that efficient?
You know what is efficient? The free market. Businesses will produce what consumers want. If consumers wanted an appliance that cost more, worked not as well, did not last as long, but saved them a few bucks in energy each year, the manufacturers would produce it without the gov't mandating it! --73.141.xxx.xxx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by don [PA]) Posted on: Aug 28, 2023 1:30 AM
Moshe--You don't want us to be dependent on foreign sources for our energy? No need to be. We can supply all the oil we need since fracking came into operation, we have 100+ year reserve of natural gas, and more coal than anyone. What the heck are you going on about? --73.141.xxx.xxx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Aug 28, 2023 2:00 AM
So have you given up AC and your ceiling fan yet Moshe?
I support US energy independence the best way I know. I own and invest in producing natural gas wells in two states and a chain of oil wells in a third state.
Where I can appreciate those who honestly believe you can save your way to wealth, the truth is that you need to invest your way to wealth. Perhaps the well off folks out there in California should be paying more and using less. If that is the objective, then perhaps you could be a better energy saver use a fan instead of Air Conditioning.
It isn't an emergency if the AC goes out if you have a good fan. It might not be comfortable but you can get by. Before places like California want to lead the way in reform by passing new laws, perhaps they could enforce the laws that they have instead of selective use of them in sanctuary cities.
Sadly I believe that most folks from your state don't even realize that one of the most liberal nations in the world - Holland laughs at how your state believes it regulate mortality with laws. They view that as modern day tree hugging hippies. And I had to bust out laughing with them..........guess the rest of the world doesn't view your culture in the same high esteem that you do. Maybe you can try and pass a law that folks in Amsterdam have to respect folks out on the west coast next so that feeling don't get hurt.
Sorry to be blunt with you - but honesty with someone who has ego can be painful. After a black market for fans is created - do you outlaw the fan dealers too? --24.101.xxx.xxx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Aug 28, 2023 9:51 AM
If the government would like to cut back on energy usage, a good place to start would be to reduce the number of undocumented aliens allowed into this country every month. An additional 10 million persons each and every year are going to have a big effect on energy usage. --76.178.xxx.xxx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by Phil [OR]) Posted on: Aug 30, 2023 12:19 AM
The DOE estimates the purchase price of fans would increase by around $10 a piece if the new regulations are put in place,
Flying off the handle... no one said you had to replace your old unit... just that manufactures had to make them more energy efficient....
"The Boss" isn't doing so well right now... and calling our president names does not help either.
Some of you remind me of a friend who hated the new electronic ignition on cars in the early 80's-- he had been a mechanic and said he wouldn't know how to fix them like he did the points and condensers...... I sure do not miss having to have a tune up every 12K miles. Sometimes change is for the better. --76.138.xxx.xxx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by Don [PA]) Posted on: Aug 30, 2023 2:12 AM
Phil, sometimes change is for the better and sometimes it’s not. When it is forced upon the market place rather than being welcomed by or needed by consumers it is not for the better. New appliances cost more to buy, more to maintain, and do not last as long as the older simpler ones. Have you ever had a circuit board fail? Cheaper to trash the whole appliance than replace it. You are comparing automobile developments that consumers welcomed to government mandates that we do not want. Appliances have already become much more efficient than they were 30 years ago. We are at the point of diminishing returns trying to squeeze out more. --73.141.xxx.xxx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by Don [PA]) Posted on: Aug 30, 2023 2:16 AM
Phil—what is your take on the government mandated gas can spouts? Have you tried to use them? Were these a good idea that made life better in your opinion? --73.141.xxx.xxx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Aug 30, 2023 6:26 AM
Phil, the steward in chief and his minions deserve all the ridicule, memes and shunning of policies that we the people can muster. --24.152.xxx.xx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by Phil [OR]) Posted on: Aug 31, 2023 6:49 PM
I don't believe this forum is the appropriate venue for political rants. I do believe that we deserve better options for our president...most of the really smart people want nothing to do with the job.
Don(PA) yup, I have had circuit boards fail --sometimes I replace them...sometimes replace the whole (insert item).
Yes, I have used the new gas can spouts...just have to be smarter than the spout--but I don't own one. Have way to many old ones. --76.138.xxx.xxx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Aug 31, 2023 7:20 PM
Phil, politics dominates a lot of this forum from time to time. --24.152.xxx.xx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by Phil [OR]) Posted on: Aug 31, 2023 7:30 PM
NE (PA)-- yes, I know that politics get injected into this forum a fair amount....my comment is meant to keep it from digressing from what it should be.
crackdown - ceiling fans (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Aug 31, 2023 7:47 PM
Except that this particular thread is political in nature. --24.152.xxx.xx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Sep 1, 2023 9:31 AM
I'm really curious who these alleged "small business" ceiling fan manufacturers are. How many of us have ever bought ceiling fans that didn't come from either a Big Box store (where they are all likely made in China anyhow on the lower end where this will actually have an affect)?
And the GOP thinks that MAYBE 10-30% of those MIGHT go under because of this change?
This seems like a non-issue really. It seems like a made-up worry to me. There aren't a ton of "mom and pop" ceiling fan manufacturers, sorry. And, if they are, they make high-end/expensive fans that will not be going out of business because of this sort of change.
This seems like the GOP just complaining to complain. They are not protecting some "small business" ceiling fan manufacturers. I just don't think it is an issue like they are suggesting.
crackdown - ceiling fans (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Sep 1, 2023 9:32 AM
Also, who the heck can't handle/use the new gas can spouts?? Are you also locked out of your cabinets because someone put child locks on them?? Are you able to open your toilet seat ok or do you need some assistance there too? Sheesh -- the things people find to complain about is amazing.
crackdown - ceiling fans (by don [PA]) Posted on: Sep 12, 2023 12:40 AM
John, you think that the epa mandated gas can spouts are functional? Well, that makes one person!
As far as politics being posted in this forum, political decisions have a direct effect on the economy, which directly affects our business. --73.194.xxx.xxx
crackdown - ceiling fans (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Sep 12, 2023 2:08 PM
Yes, they work fine for me. Again, if you have trouble with those, then you probably have trouble with child locks on doors too. Don't worry, you'll get it one day with practice!
And, yes, political events have an effect on the economy and business. But that isn't the sort of political garbage I'm referring to usually. A lot of people are already very set in their ways and are convinced that the "other side" is out to get them. That political rhetoric does not help any of us really.
crackdown - ceiling fans (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Sep 13, 2023 6:53 AM
Just because you aren't paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.
But I do agree that some of the political stuff doesn't do anything besides get people riled up. --107.147.xx.xxx
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