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Foster-parent tenant (by KH [ME]) May 11, 2023 2:11 AM
       Foster-parent tenant (by Bonanza [NC]) May 11, 2023 6:33 AM
       Foster-parent tenant (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) May 11, 2023 7:25 AM
       Foster-parent tenant (by Ken [NY]) May 11, 2023 7:52 AM
       Foster-parent tenant (by plenty [MO]) May 11, 2023 8:03 AM
       Foster-parent tenant (by S i d [MO]) May 11, 2023 8:14 AM
       Foster-parent tenant (by WMH [NC]) May 11, 2023 10:44 AM
       Foster-parent tenant (by KH [ME]) May 11, 2023 11:03 AM
       Foster-parent tenant (by WMH [NC]) May 11, 2023 11:25 AM
       Foster-parent tenant (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) May 11, 2023 11:33 AM
       Foster-parent tenant (by WMH [NC]) May 11, 2023 12:10 PM
       Foster-parent tenant (by Ed [CA]) May 11, 2023 12:54 PM
       Foster-parent tenant (by Laura [MD]) May 11, 2023 1:04 PM
       Foster-parent tenant (by WMH [NC]) May 11, 2023 1:26 PM
       Foster-parent tenant (by KH [ME]) May 11, 2023 2:35 PM
       Foster-parent tenant (by Laura [MD]) May 11, 2023 2:48 PM
       Foster-parent tenant (by Laura [MD]) May 11, 2023 2:49 PM
       Foster-parent tenant (by SL [AL]) May 11, 2023 2:53 PM
       Foster-parent tenant (by KH [ME]) May 11, 2023 2:56 PM
       Foster-parent tenant (by Laura [MD]) May 11, 2023 3:10 PM
       Foster-parent tenant (by Laura [MD]) May 11, 2023 3:14 PM
       Foster-parent tenant (by MC [PA]) May 11, 2023 4:17 PM
       Foster-parent tenant (by WMH [NC]) May 11, 2023 5:27 PM
       Foster-parent tenant (by WMH [NC]) May 11, 2023 5:29 PM
       Foster-parent tenant (by plenty [MO]) May 11, 2023 7:41 PM
       Foster-parent tenant (by Wilma [PA]) May 12, 2023 7:43 AM
       Foster-parent tenant (by S i d [MO]) May 12, 2023 8:38 AM
       Foster-parent tenant (by Oreo [WI]) May 13, 2023 1:00 AM
       Foster-parent tenant (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) May 14, 2023 12:21 AM
       Foster-parent tenant (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) May 14, 2023 12:21 AM
       Foster-parent tenant (by WMH [NC]) May 16, 2023 10:04 PM
       Foster-parent tenant (by SL [AL]) Jun 11, 2023 9:50 PM


Foster-parent tenant (by KH [ME]) Posted on: May 11, 2023 2:11 AM
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I just found out that my tenants are taking in foster children and have been lying to me about why there are always so many kids at the rental house (they have said they were neighborhood kids visiting).

Two adults and one child are listed on the M2M rental agreement.

My rental agreement states that it is not permitted to have "Long-term guest(s)--more than 28 consecutive or nonconsecutive days per year (total, [NOT per guest]), beginning with lease starting date, without written permission from landlord."

Anyone have experience renting to tenants who take in foster children? What to look out for / legal ramifications / insurance/liability issues / thoughts.

PS It appears that legally, the state does not require my permission as owner of the house.

--74.78.xxx.xxx




Foster-parent tenant (by Bonanza [NC]) Posted on: May 11, 2023 6:33 AM
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If this is a no-go situation for you, just give a notice of non-renewal per your lease (30 or 60 day) and have them move. Obviously they lied to you. Liars don't stop lying. --71.69.xx.xx




Foster-parent tenant (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: May 11, 2023 7:25 AM
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How are you as the landlord suffering an economic loss from tenants having additional residents there? Do you pay for the sewer and water bills?

This can get a bit sticky for you as Bonanza described. Where I too would be upset that someone is lying to me, raising kids is a huge duty and responsibility. Would you fault the family if they were expecting a couple of kids on their own?

Bigger concerns I would have would be does my house offer enough space and bedroom to accommodate the extra residents. Are these residents over the age of 18? How do I recoup the added cost that I have incurred.

On the plus side, you now have another set of eyes on the home making sure the place is clean and safe --24.101.xxx.xxx




Foster-parent tenant (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: May 11, 2023 7:52 AM
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I wouldnt want to stand in front of a judge and try to justify kicking tenants out because they took in kids who needed help --74.77.xx.xx




Foster-parent tenant (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: May 11, 2023 8:03 AM
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I'd look at Occupancy permit. But for example if they born kids while living in one bedroom it's my understanding they can continue to live there. There may be something about Foster kids. I'd also look at running a business clause in my lease. Lots of questions, like are they getting paid? Anyways I'd have a chat with these folks and possibly exit the agreement at first opportunity. Certainly visit the property more often as there may be more wear a tear and a larger security deposit may have been in line or possibly increase if renewing. --172.58.xxx.xxx




Foster-parent tenant (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: May 11, 2023 8:14 AM
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Hmmm.... tough situation.

On the one hand, I have a soft spot for helping out kids who don't have a family. It's one of the major crises we face today, but it's also very personal when you get down to each kid. So from a "tugging at my heartstrings" perspective, I probably wouldn't do anything right now unless there was evidence of damage or troubles being caused by the situation.

THAT SAID....

I always tell my tenants (and our lease affirms) that ALL CHANGES must be approved in writing, including adding new residents who are on lease or off-lease (i.e. not legal adults). Now... if a tenant has a baby (biologically) or adopts, then the laws say this is permitted and no changes are needed. But taking in kids from foster care... that's not the same thing. I would have expected the courtesy of them letting me know. And the lying... nope. That's an instant NO GO. Trust has been breached. What else are / will they be lying about?

Bottom line: As others have suggested, I would monitor the situation for now, but if no damages/issues, I'd simply non-renew the lease. They may have good hearts, but the breach of trust and the lies aren't something I'm prepared to tolerate.

Too bad: they should have been forthright and made your their ally instead of going behind your back and lying about it when asked. --184.4.xx.xxx




Foster-parent tenant (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: May 11, 2023 10:44 AM
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Sid it IS the same thing. Children that are under the legal care of the tenant are their children, for legal purposes. You can't deny children because of their source!! And the foster parents are their legal guardians.

It's a federal Fair Housing thing for sure - you CANNOT deny them the right to legally foster children.

And - they didn't lie to you. They are not ALLOWED to say they are foster kids - that violates the kid's privacy!!!!!!

You are skirting on some dangerous grounds here. Very. --50.82.xxx.xxx




Foster-parent tenant (by KH [ME]) Posted on: May 11, 2023 11:03 AM
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WMC: They lied INITIALLY but then volunteered that they take in foster kids for a living. So if as you said they're not ALLOWED to say they have foster kids, then THEY violated the kids' privacy.

But back to my rental business, they are in violation of the rental agreement regarding written permission for occupants not listed on the lease.

S I d : Well-said. --74.78.xxx.xxx




Foster-parent tenant (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: May 11, 2023 11:25 AM
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If they were going to evicted over the kids, they may have felt forced into speaking up as to why they had them.

Try taking this before an eviction judge - it will turn into a Fair Housing case in seconds flat. --50.82.xxx.xxx




Foster-parent tenant (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: May 11, 2023 11:33 AM
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Fair Housing is federal law. That's familial status which means a family can add all the kids they want to, natural born, adopted, foster, wards, or inherited, no matter why they are there, they are children and they are protected by fair housing laws.

All you can do is to not renew the lease when it comes due.

Sort of vaguely, you might be able to evict if the kids do an enormous amount of damage, but no judge will evict because the kids drew on the walls with crayon. It would have to be something really damaging like setting the house on fire. Other than that, you are stuck until the end of teh lease. --76.178.xxx.xxx




Foster-parent tenant (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: May 11, 2023 12:10 PM
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Exactly:

"Fair Housing is federal law. That's familial status which means a family can add all the kids they want to, natural born, adopted, foster, wards, or inherited, no matter why they are there, they are children and they are protected by fair housing laws." --50.82.xxx.xxx




Foster-parent tenant (by Ed [CA]) Posted on: May 11, 2023 12:54 PM
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You can't treat this like a normal rental hiccup. WMH and Oregon Woodsmoke are both right. --108.201.xx.xx




Foster-parent tenant (by Laura [MD]) Posted on: May 11, 2023 1:04 PM
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Again WMH and others are right. Familial status is a protected class. You can not evict based on this issue. I also agree these folks are problematic. Find another reason and make very very very sure it is valid and evict based on that reason. Personally, I would be looking for reasons to not renew instead of taking them head on. --108.56.xxx.xx




Foster-parent tenant (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: May 11, 2023 1:26 PM
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#1 They are allowed to say they take in foster kids. They don't HAVE to say that but legally they could, it violates no one's privacy. The income is steady if they keep kids but they are only paid if there are kids in the home.

#2 They are technically NOT allowed to designate which kid is a foster but everyone always knows :( (BTW: We need foster parents!)

#3 Foster kids come and go, sometimes very quickly. Another reason keeping track via the lease doesn't make sense.

Have a girl right now, real PITA, older teen but still a teen. Her Foster is getting rid of her, can't handle her but still has to wait 30 full days before they will come get her, and with red tape it could take longer. It's not the Foster Mom's fault: they are not told ANY background on the kids they are asked to take. Just "HERE You deal with it!" and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.... --50.82.xxx.xxx




Foster-parent tenant (by KH [ME]) Posted on: May 11, 2023 2:35 PM
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Some of the responders here have ignored my 28-day clause -- which is standard language for a lease, FYI.

--74.65.xxx.xx




Foster-parent tenant (by Laura [MD]) Posted on: May 11, 2023 2:48 PM
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As others have said there is zero chance i would want to stand in front of a judge explaining how i was kicking folk out due to adding foster kids...i don't care what clauses are in your lease. That is a very very precarious position, and no lease clause is going to change the optics. --108.56.xxx.xx




Foster-parent tenant (by Laura [MD]) Posted on: May 11, 2023 2:49 PM
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Laws always supersede lease clauses, especially federal anti discrimination laws. i have seen folks on here suggest lease clause for situations that will do nothing but "bite" the landlord in court. --108.56.xxx.xx




Foster-parent tenant (by SL [AL]) Posted on: May 11, 2023 2:53 PM
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WMH - To have commented once would have been sufficient!! To continually comment and gripe and repeat yourself ETC. is a waste. Someone in your life must have really hit a nerve because you seem rattled !!! Landlords come here to exchange factual information / first-hand experiences regarding the housing business---not to be wade through this type of aggressive, inappropriate BS.

--74.65.xxx.xx




Foster-parent tenant (by KH [ME]) Posted on: May 11, 2023 2:56 PM
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You neglected to read the clause. --74.65.xxx.xx




Foster-parent tenant (by Laura [MD]) Posted on: May 11, 2023 3:10 PM
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SL what are you talking about...I enjoy and learn from WMHs posts(all of them)!. --108.56.xxx.xx




Foster-parent tenant (by Laura [MD]) Posted on: May 11, 2023 3:14 PM
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KH...My rental agreement states that it is not permitted to have "Long-term guest(s)--more than 28 consecutive or nonconsecutive days per year (total, [NOT per guest]), beginning with lease starting date, without written permission from landlord."

Wow..this clause would never be interpreted as applying to foster kids. They would be viewed the same as if tenants gave birth to a new child. PLEASE PLEASE don't attempt to evict based on this clause.

--108.56.xxx.xx




Foster-parent tenant (by MC [PA]) Posted on: May 11, 2023 4:17 PM
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I stopped reading when I saw "taking in foster kids for a living". They are not to be your source of income. That money is for the children. --73.230.xxx.xx




Foster-parent tenant (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: May 11, 2023 5:27 PM
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SL, several things:

#1) I am a sworn Guardian ad Litem trained child advocate - who is tasked with being the voice of the foster child in court. So I know a little bit about this subject.

#2) Our downstairs tenant, also a family friend of my granddaughter's, is a Foster Care Child Advocate for a private company. She calls on all her child clients weekly, inspects foster homes, etc. So again, we know a little bit about this.

#3) My granddaughter is a teacher, so a mandated court reporter, and housing issues sometimes come up. A child might be throwing a fit in class because he is suddenly homeless or being kicked out a foster home. So she knows a little bit about this stuff as well.

All that said to say: YOU CANNOT WRITE AWAY LOCAL, STATE OR FEDERAL PROTECTIONS IN A LEASE even if the tenant agrees. If it's against the law, it's against the law no matter what you put in your lease. --50.82.xxx.xxx




Foster-parent tenant (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: May 11, 2023 5:29 PM
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MC not quite right - the children do get stipends but the foster parents ARE compensated as well. --50.82.xxx.xxx




Foster-parent tenant (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: May 11, 2023 7:41 PM
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Agree WMH. --172.58.xxx.xxx




Foster-parent tenant (by Wilma [PA]) Posted on: May 12, 2023 7:43 AM
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This is an excellent discussion - something that was totally under the radar for me. I especially appreciate WMH's voice of reason and expertise. All duly noted. --96.245.xx.xx




Foster-parent tenant (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: May 12, 2023 8:38 AM
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I stand corrected, thank you.

--184.4.xx.xxx




Foster-parent tenant (by Oreo [WI]) Posted on: May 13, 2023 1:00 AM
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WMH: Thank you for all your expertise and your chosen profession advocating for children. We need more advocants for children.

Let's all remember, children are our future and the future of our country. --75.11.xx.xx




Foster-parent tenant (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: May 14, 2023 12:21 AM
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KH,

Great question.

Me? I am Iím charge. Is this a big hairy deal that will intrude on my FREEDOM!!! or something minor.

If we evicted every res who fudges the truth all rental homes would be vacant.

The 28 day guest clause does not apply.

Listen to WMH. She knows her stuff. She re-posts to clarify and add more info when she sees errors that can hurt a LL.

Crabbing about a poster is not cool.

My daughter fosters. Lots of screening, house safety inspections, quarterly visits checking cleanliness etc, tons of rules, including yearly background checks for me and Wifey so we can babysit. I even had to buy a 75í rope and floating rescue ring for my 36í pool.

They must have the proper number of bedrooms for the number of people but sometimes small concessions are made to keep siblings together.

Sadly there are some grubbers who do it for the checks and all caseworkers are overworked.

Some of those kids might truly have been neighbors playing with the fosters.

I donít appreciate them covering up the truth but thatís not the end of the world. Everybody only tells you what they want you to know (lies).

Take a breath, remain calm, and do an In Home Visit. If the home looks OK you can relax. If there is a problem you will SEE it and know. Then with the facts you can determine what to do.

Some foster homes are BETTER than regular rentals. --73.103.xxx.xxx

--73.103.xxx.xxx




Foster-parent tenant (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: May 14, 2023 12:21 AM
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KH,

Great question.

Me? I am Iím charge. Is this a big hairy deal that will intrude on my FREEDOM!!! or something minor.

If we evicted every res who fudges the truth all rental homes would be vacant.

The 28 day guest clause does not apply.

Listen to WMH. She knows her stuff. She re-posts to clarify and add more info when she sees errors that can hurt a LL.

Crabbing about a poster is not cool.

My daughter fosters. Lots of screening, house safety inspections, quarterly visits checking cleanliness etc, tons of rules, including yearly background checks for me and Wifey so we can babysit. I even had to buy a 75í rope and floating rescue ring for my 36í pool.

They must have the proper number of bedrooms for the number of people but sometimes small concessions are made to keep siblings together.

Sadly there are some grubbers who do it for the checks and all caseworkers are overworked.

Some of those kids might truly have been neighbors playing with the fosters.

I donít appreciate them covering up the truth but thatís not the end of the world. Everybody only tells you what they want you to know (lies).

Take a breath, remain calm, and do an In Home Visit. If the home looks OK you can relax. If there is a problem you will SEE it and know. Then with the facts you can determine what to do.

Some foster homes are BETTER than regular rentals. --73.103.xxx.xxx

--73.103.xxx.xxx




Foster-parent tenant (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: May 16, 2023 10:04 PM
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Brad, did I know your daughter fosters? Old age...I didn't remember if I did know at one time :)

Congrats to her and thank her for her service! It's grueling, often (too often) totally unrewarding...but there's those few times when the fosters really make a difference... --50.82.xxx.xxx




Foster-parent tenant (by SL [AL]) Posted on: Jun 11, 2023 9:50 PM
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Fostering is a wonderful pursuit! Lying to your landlord by sneaking additional people in is NOT.

As Bonanza said, liars don't stop lying. --74.78.xxx.xxx





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