Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by Renne [TX]) Jan 27, 2023 1:33 PM|
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by plenty [MO]) Jan 27, 2023 1:38 PM
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by Boxcar Willie [TX]) Jan 27, 2023 4:11 PM
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by Robert J [CA]) Jan 27, 2023 4:31 PM
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by Vee [OH]) Jan 27, 2023 4:39 PM
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by MikeA [TX]) Jan 27, 2023 4:41 PM
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by Pmh [TX]) Jan 27, 2023 4:54 PM
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by Moshe [CA]) Jan 27, 2023 8:00 PM
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by MikeA [TX]) Jan 27, 2023 10:43 PM
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Jan 27, 2023 11:11 PM
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by S i d [MO]) Jan 28, 2023 10:45 AM
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Jan 28, 2023 11:40 AM
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by small potatoes [NY]) Jan 28, 2023 4:58 PM
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by Vee [OH]) Jan 28, 2023 5:30 PM
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by WMH [NC]) Jan 28, 2023 9:33 PM
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by plenty [MO]) Jan 29, 2023 10:17 AM
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by RB [TN]) Jan 29, 2023 1:01 PM
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Jan 31, 2023 9:07 PM
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Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by Renne [TX]) Posted on: Jan 27, 2023 1:33 PM
Well, this is interesting.
As an aside, we are currently getting a home ready and the pets did quite a bit of damage.
My fault for not being diligent with the home visits during COVID. Lesson learned.
Residents say they shouldn't have to pay because we knew they had dogs when we rented to them and we should have known the dogs would do damage. And furthermore, they paid pet rent so that should have taken care of it. As a result of this, we are increasing our pet rent.
We have a great lease thanks to you all and all this is very thoroughly covered in the lease so we are not concerned about their lawyer telling them to sue us in small claims court.
If this were to pass, we would require a double deposit as $20/month will hardly buy the materials to replace chewed, broken trim pieces let alone the repairs.
We would also most likely begin requiring renters insurance for pet owners and would raise the monthly rent to help insure we are positioning ourselves to not go into the red.
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Jan 27, 2023 1:38 PM
Pets seems to have Alot of provisions! Geez. --172.58.xxx.xxx
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by Boxcar Willie [TX]) Posted on: Jan 27, 2023 4:11 PM
Bill was filed on 01/23/2023, stage 1. Lots of bills never make it out of House Committee, stage 2. At stage 7 it becomes law. This bill has a long ways to go. --12.88.xxx.xxx
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Jan 27, 2023 4:31 PM
Not too long ago a current tenant said, "I'm getting a companion animal"! I asked what was it? A miniature horse, a piranha or tick? She said a small dog that weighed in at 65 pounds. Oh boy! So I posted a 24 hour notice to inspect the unit AND take pictures.
In every room, every wall, baseboard, door, frame, floor I took pictures. I then handed my tenant a move-in/move-out check list and asked her to write where she see current damage, and to sign the form. BTW she put down that some of the bathroom floor tiles had cracks. So I also took pictures of those tiles.
Now my tenant is getting married and buying a condo to live. He beloved "companion animal" was exempt from me getting any type of deposit. So before and after her move-out, I provided a written list of the "cost or repair". Several Thousands of Dollars. Hardwood flooring replacement of areas, sanding and refinishing to match. Doors, frames, molding, drawers, etc.
So I needed to sue her in small claims court. But before, I heard from the grape vine that she and her husband requested cash over gifts at their wedding. Knowing they had the money, I gave them a 1 time offer, Make a 1 time payment within 7 days, and I'll give them a 25% discount. They offered me 50 cents on the dollar and I accepted. In storage I have replacement doors, molding and extra used hardwood flooring.
But the moral of this story is, they purchased a small 2 bedroom house and after coming home after work and finding their dog had damaged their refinished floor, the re-homed the dog. --47.149.xxx.x
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Jan 27, 2023 4:39 PM
Pet rent and damage are very different, charge damage in next rent cycle - laws ask owner manager to make repair in 30 days and tenant should be held to the same standard.
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Jan 27, 2023 4:41 PM
Very little chance of it passing. There are lots of bills like this submitted by someone who has a self interest in a particular topic. Reason and logic take over when presented in the larger state body and they go by the way-side. I did chuckle where he is trying to compare this to the recent animal cruelty laws that were passed in the state, not even on the same plane. His view of the world is sadly skewed if he thinks these are similar topics, he's stretching the truth.
Sounds like your tenant is simply trying to avoid paying the damages. They likely know what is right, they are just trying to skew the facts to see if they can get you to cave on them paying the bill. Stick to your guns. I can't count the number of times a tenant told me their "lawyer" told them something to back up their argument. Let me give you a hint, they don't have a lawyer, they are making that up to try and scare you into seeing it their way. Just ignore the threats and continue enforcing the lease terms. --209.205.xxx.xx
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Jan 27, 2023 4:54 PM
I do not charge “pet rent”…..my rents are $200 than comparable homes because I allow pets (subject to approval). very few LL allow pets in my area. Is a niche mkt for me. also no smoking. many don’t like to live in houses that have been smoked in. so I rent to non smoker pet owners…. --107.115.xxx.xx
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Jan 27, 2023 8:00 PM
This TX law seems pretty fair to me, actually makes good sense. $20/ month actual limit on pet rent, option for one-time additional security deposit to cover pet damage.
Is there any reason to charge "pet rent" other than to account for pet damage? Does addition of a pet call for additional rent? For what? Does a pet do any additional wear & tear?
If the only objection to the law is SD, then damage is to be taken from that.
For owners that accept pets, makes good sense to me.
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Jan 27, 2023 10:43 PM
Good grief, of course you would think more government intervention is a good thing whether needed or not. If you think logically about it for a minute, what will be the real outcome if this becomes law? Landlords will stop accepting pets because they don't want the limits placed by government. This goober's proposal will actually make it harder on renters with pets. Most of our legislators can see the bigger picture when they look at new legislation balancing the good with the bad. It's called doing the right thing not just caving to some vocal minority as happens on the left coast.
I am really questioning if you have rentals Moshe, if you did surely you would have noticed increased wear and tear from pets. Flooring takes a beating from nails, paint gets rubbed constantly on doorways, and worn grass where they walk the fenceline are just a few examples. So either you aren't a landlord or you don't accept pets making your opinion on this matter uninformed. --209.205.xxx.xx
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Jan 27, 2023 11:11 PM
It is illegal in the province of Ontario to charge a damage, cleaning or pet deposit where tell them in order to make rental suitable for pets all the carpeting, hardwood floor has to removed where will install a ditra membrane along with commercial grade porcelain tile where the rent will be $300 more per month as this will be pet upgrade. They get angry where they want two things one the rent as low as possible and do not want to make the rental unit pet friendly. Apartmen living and dogs do not go hand in hand together as noise where after a fhree to six months the rental unit is completely trashed out then they move on to completely trash out another rental unit or rental house. --68.69.xxx.xxx
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Jan 28, 2023 10:45 AM
The proposed TX law makes no sense and is an unconstitutional overreach into freedom of individuals to contract. Questions have been asked, and I'm pleased as always to offer my thoughts.
I had a pet do $4,800 worth of damages in one of my houses. Tenant left it at home all day and it piddled on the floor in every room of the house. I had to tear out three rooms (carpet, pad, subfloor) all the way down to the joists, Kilz them to lock in the odor, then relay new subflooring, underlayment, and covering. It was a 4 day job, three guys working, plus material and disposal fees.
The meager "pet deposit" of $400 per animal that many landlords charge wouldn't have come close to covering it. If I had not charged pet rent, I would have been financially damaged and forced to sue the tenant in court and then try to collect. As it was, the pet rent I collect from multiple tenants helped cover my loss. More on that in a minute.
The logic behind monthly pet rent is simple: many (most) tenants cannot afford a $2,000-$3,000 deposit for a pet, and as I have demonstrated the damages from a pet can add up to many times the amount of a pet deposit. Rather than demand more money than many of my Class C tenants earn in a month for a deposit, I break that up into smaller, bite-sized chunks. They can pay $150 up front as a non-refundable pet fee, and they can pay $25 per month pet rent. Over the course of my typical 2 - 3 year tenants, that amount provides a much better (but still not perfect) cushion for me against a large amount of damages.
I am also taking a risk when I allow a pet, as has been demonstrated. Risks deserve rewards or else people refuse to take risks. I could just say, "No pets." How does that help tenants?
Okay, but what about those pets that DON'T cause damages? Shouldn't the tenants get their money back if there are no damages?
No, and here's the simple answer: everyone here has heard of insurance. The concept is this: Many people (tenants) pay in small monthly or annual premium, but only a few receive a benefit when there is a loss. Insurance premiums are spent and gone. You don't get them back if your house doesn't burn down or your car never gets damages. Everyone understands this concept and accepts it.
Just so with pet rent. All tenant who want pets share the risk with each other that one pet will do a ton of damage, but each tenant is paying in small amount that is easily affordable as a monthly addition to the rent.
Think of pet rent like an insurance premium. Maybe if we call this "pet insurance" everyone would that satisfy everyone's angst?
If I couldn't charge pet rent, I simply would not allow pets: period. The market solution is to allow buyers (tenants) and sellers (landlords) to negotiate a mutually acceptable arrangement that allows each party to get what they want. If they cannot come to terms, then the parties go their separate ways.
In contrast, the Govt solution is to cram down rules that won't satisfy landlords, which means fewer landlords will accept pets, and fewer tenants will get to have a place with a pet unless they try to skirt the rules and declare their pets ESAs. That in turn will mean much more scrutiny from landlords for other reasons to deny tenants that has nothing to do with their ESAs. The risk level will increase artificially if we cannot charge pet rents; therefore, smart landlords will screen harder and deny people whom they might otherwise have taken a risk on since they could collect more in pet rent to help offset the risk.
To summarize: head-handed Govt intervention means fewer people get what they want on both sides.
In conclusion, the best answer is let the market decide. That, my friends, is freedom. It's what our country was founded on, and it's in our Governing documents. Finally, it is what works best for the most people.
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Jan 28, 2023 11:40 AM
[[[[...... Does a pet do any additional wear & tear?....]]]
Actually, yes, a pet greatly increases the wear and tear on a property. Carpets wear out faster with additional dirt and pet hair ground into the fibers. If the carpet is not stained or stinky, then "damage" can not be charged, and yet the landlord must replace the carpet sooner.
The dog comes in wet and shakes, throwing water and mud on the walls. If you have a good clean tenant, they scrub that off the walls and yet every time they scrub the walls it wears the paint. Damage can not be charged if there is no visible dirt, and yet the paint will not last as long.
And on and on. I have always had dogs and my house is well cared for and yet the dogs do damage and they wear things out. Which is all fine because they are my dogs and it is my house but I can't see any good reason for the wear and damage to come out of my own pocket so that my tenants can have dogs. People who want to have pets get to pay for the wear and damage that their pets cause. --76.178.xxx.xxx
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Jan 28, 2023 4:58 PM
OW, I never thought of the pet wear n tear angle, seems like a tenant could argue that scratches from them are WT.
In NY we cannot charge a pet deposit. I accept pets on a case by case basis for $50 additional rent. I do not call this pet rent. It does not go away if there is no pet in the future. In NY 2 parties can come to a mutual agreement on price, so if I am willing to accept their fluffy angel, they accept the additional rent, and any language about pets is not in the picture. Damage from said animal would be dealt w/ in the security (which can only be 1 mth rent in NY). --67.240.xx.xx
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Jan 28, 2023 5:30 PM
I guess the pets to allow are those that fit into a 7 gallon aquarium, I have told folks we accept them after they get a tour from the taxidermist. --76.190.xxx.xxx
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jan 28, 2023 9:33 PM
Moshe, have you ever had a pet? Because it's not just a TENANT'S animals that cause additional wear and tear! My own pets have, over the years, done considerable damage to our own properties. It's just a fact of having animals.
Puppies pee and chew, kitties scratch and spray...blood and vomit on carpet...destroyed doors, woodwork, grass...chewed shoes...Turn your back on them when they are young and animals are like kids, they can do a lot of inadvertent damage. And old animals become incontinent just like old people do. Even well-behaved animals make mistakes (or we humans make mistakes in caring for them.)
However - we fix the damages. Tenants tend not to. --50.82.xxx.xxx
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Jan 29, 2023 10:17 AM
Wouldn't it be simple: rent and damage deposit is not the same. So why is pet rent the being confused with pet damage? --172.58.xxx.xxx
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by RB [TN]) Posted on: Jan 29, 2023 1:01 PM
how many (rentals) do ya have, 1 or 2 ? --24.183.xxx.xxx
Texas Pet Rent Limits? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jan 31, 2023 9:07 PM
Having had someone who has had a pet Mink.....YES they can do significant damage to a place. THEY SIMPLY STINK! as for me, I want a HIPPO in my apartment. An ESA HIPPO
So maybe that deposit should be set as a function of the pet and not by the govt. Then again, some people seem to applaud the govt actions during the whole C-19 fiasco and are now blaming the greedy landlords now for the govy having to act again. perhaps it is because of the govts initial involvement that the prices were forced to get raised.
sadly, the folks that needed the most help at the beginning of the cycle are worse off now then before --24.101.xxx.xxx
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