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Natural gas price (by Jim in O C [CA]) Jan 23, 2023 11:23 AM
       Natural gas price (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Jan 23, 2023 12:29 PM
       Natural gas price (by Robert J [CA]) Jan 23, 2023 12:43 PM
       Natural gas price (by jonny [NY]) Jan 23, 2023 2:00 PM
       Natural gas price (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Jan 24, 2023 9:23 AM

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Natural gas price (by Jim in O C [CA]) Posted on: Jan 23, 2023 11:23 AM

What are you landlords going to do that include utilities In your rent? My gas went from $87 a month to $423.

Natural gas price (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Jan 23, 2023 12:29 PM

One apartment building reduced natural gas consumption by 60 per cent where installed high efficiency gas boilers along with indirect hot water tank along sealing all air leaks in hallway windows then installing a fire wall around boiler area which keep heat in the area. Along with installed a Tekmar electronic boiler control system that will turn off heat on warmer days and nights. A typical direct fired hot water tank has a constant of 7 to 12 degrees per hour in standby mode where constantly firing when no hot water is required. A indirect hot water has a heat loss in standby of less one degree per hour. Insulating all the heating and hot pipes in the boiler area will not cost much where no need to heat boiler area or boiler room. Adding more insulation along wirth air sealing will reduce natural gas consumption further. Expensive option is to install high efficiency wall mounted gas boilers in each rental unit then vent directly outside. In the house spray foaming ceilings and walls along installing rafter vents where after addttional insulating the attic will same temperature as the rooms below all year round. All this was done before natural gas prices went up. There are high efficiency condensing gas water heaters that if no heat is required will use significantly less natural gas. Boiler rooms are always really warm where if installed heat pump water heaters then the heat would be extracted for hot water then natural gas consumption would go down. If had solar panels then the energy would used to heat hot water. Supply and demand where if everyone reduced natural gas consumption then the price will go down.

Natural gas price (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Jan 23, 2023 12:43 PM

I had two very large apartment buildings with Central Gas water heaters that I pay for the gas to heat the hot water. So over the years I've been installing Tank-less gas water heaters in each of my tenants apartments. They already had natural gas for their free standing oven/stove's and wall furnace.

So over the past decade when a tenant moves, I installed a tank-less gas water heater sized for their unit and re-piped their hot water plumbing. For the tenants that never moved, I agreed not to raise their rent and provide a one time bonus -- a new appliance of their choice:

A free built in dishwasher (something they never had), a window air conditioner, a new refrigerator or change their carpeting to laminate (first floor only).

Had I not done this conversion, my monthly gas bill would have been over $10,000 a month.

Natural gas price (by jonny [NY]) Posted on: Jan 23, 2023 2:00 PM

Increasing the rents... some are going up due to this (whatever the price increases are from the past year plus a little for "cushion" and then the "normal" increase). Some of the rents are going up a lot (unfortunately) but that's due to the utilities going through the roof. Then there are the taxes and insurance that are going up too that tenants don't "care" about. We try to keep the properties up to date with the most efficient equipment but even in my own house my utilities skyrocketed and the utility company just state "you used more" ... I know I didn't because I wasn't even here most of December and in October we had above normal temps but "OK... thanks".

We don't "overcharge" for our rents in these particular buildings anyway so our rent prices that include the utilities are very competitive with those that don't include them. If the tenants want to leave that's fine... the ones that know and understand will most likely stay and if they don't... then they'll soon find out that they probably should have once they get their own utility bills but I'm sure it will be filled by then anyway.

One couple have been there for a while and I know they need more room because they seem to be "bursting" at the seams but unless they buy a house or something I don't see them going anywhere soon.

Natural gas price (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Jan 24, 2023 9:23 AM

When a rental unit becomes vacant then can install a wall mounted gas boiler then over time will have all rental units with separate utilities. If they ever bring rent control then there allowance for high increases in utiliites. Insulation upgrades work where less heat loss and gain then the consumption goes down.

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