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Lease Fraud? (by Baman [AL]) Jan 18, 2023 10:19 PM
       Lease Fraud? (by MC [PA]) Jan 19, 2023 5:26 AM
       Lease Fraud? (by Bonanza [NC]) Jan 19, 2023 6:21 AM
       Lease Fraud? (by myob [GA]) Jan 19, 2023 7:56 AM
       Lease Fraud? (by Allym [NJ]) Jan 19, 2023 8:16 AM
       Lease Fraud? (by plenty [MO]) Jan 19, 2023 8:48 AM
       Lease Fraud? (by Robin [WI]) Jan 19, 2023 10:05 AM
       Lease Fraud? (by John... [MI]) Jan 19, 2023 10:52 AM
       Lease Fraud? (by Scott [IN]) Jan 19, 2023 10:56 AM
       Lease Fraud? (by myob [GA]) Jan 19, 2023 11:59 AM
       Lease Fraud? (by Ed [CA]) Jan 19, 2023 12:17 PM
       Lease Fraud? (by Mike45 [NV]) Jan 19, 2023 3:56 PM
       Lease Fraud? (by baman [AL]) Jan 20, 2023 6:39 AM
       Lease Fraud? (by Dave [CA]) Jan 20, 2023 7:12 AM
       Lease Fraud? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Jan 20, 2023 7:12 AM
       Lease Fraud? (by MC [PA]) Jan 20, 2023 9:02 AM
       Lease Fraud? (by jonny [NY]) Jan 20, 2023 12:13 PM

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Lease Fraud? (by Baman [AL]) Posted on: Jan 18, 2023 10:19 PM

Happy 2023 everyone! I have a property management company that screens my tenants and they recently selected a 62 year old gentleman for a small one bedroom home I own.

Everything was fine until I answered a service call. I found a younger man living there who looked to be about 30. Come to find out it was his son. The original applicant has never lived there. This is clearly a bait and switch scheme to give his son a place to live.

So this means i have no idea of his background or criminal history or employment status. Has anyone dealt with this issue before?


Lease Fraud? (by MC [PA]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2023 5:26 AM

If you are sure the younger man is there, call your management company. Up to you to for the next step. Do you want him depending on the app? Personally I would fire the management company after they deal with it. Usually they are just interested in making money off of YOU. What does the lease say? Read it carefully about the occupants.

Lease Fraud? (by Bonanza [NC]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2023 6:21 AM

The first step is letting the management company deal with it since that is what you are paying them for. The boy is not an authorized occupant and needs to move out.

Lease Fraud? (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2023 7:56 AM

we run across this quit a bit. The aspect of getting this person out by the court will be a true up hill battle-- this is the evil he said she said. He's visiting, he just went to meet you there, he's home from college or he stopped in on the way back from an Antifa rally.

To me the trick is to be sure the person on the hook for the bill knows if this goes south your coming after THEM not the visitor. We all hope you took a good applicant?

Keep in mind many of these folks-- it's their last chance. They can't find anything else and they don't want to burn that last bridge. So many behave themselves. --108.239.xx.xx

Lease Fraud? (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2023 8:16 AM

What MYOB said. Make sure the old guy knows his credit will suffer with any problems. Mostly I have had parents show up with the son. Mistake to take them as there are too many problems. The young person who is quality comes by themselves. Maybe a letter from an attorney. Management co is at fault.

Lease Fraud? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2023 8:48 AM

Well I wouldn't like that one but. I would not fire the management company. But I would ask them for guidance. Since you have hired a management company my guess is you want to be hands off. If the person is willing to provide his information and copy of this driver's license it may be best to just go with it, collect your money and carry on. My guess is the old man is no where to be found as he's a fake also. I wouldn't put it pass the management company if they knew a bit more than they are telling you. As long as all get paid, property is taken care of perhaps it's best not to rock the boat. Next I would start shopping for a new management company and I would exit this lease first available time. And I would prepare to switch management companies as soon as the unit is empty and deposit accounted for. I would not let them put on another resident --172.56.xx.xx

Lease Fraud? (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2023 10:05 AM

The damage has been done--he's in. The process to get him out is going to be the same whether you do it now or in six months. I'd be inclined to wait and see what happens. Maybe he's a tier I sex offender who can't find anywhere to live and will be super motivated to be a responsible tenant. I'd keep a very close eye on things and let it be. First sign of late rent or trouble, though, and I'd drop the hammer. No leniency with this one!

Lease Fraud? (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2023 10:52 AM

I disagree with Ally on the "showing up with parents" thing. We are in a college town and tend to get some 20-something applicants. Most of the best ones we've ever had have been the ones who showed up with a parent to help them check out the place. Because they are new to the world of renting and have good parents who want to help them choose a good place.

I have no problem at all with applicants who show up with someone more knowledgeable than them to check the place out -- especially a parent.

Lease Fraud? (by Scott [IN]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2023 10:56 AM

The tenant (62 yr old) has allowed a guest to stay beyond the time allowed. In accordance with my lease, I would immediately notify the resident that rent is going up $75 per month until I receive proof that the unauthorized guest is gone.

Maybe you have something useful in your lease describing how to deal with overstaying guests?

Lease Fraud? (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2023 11:59 AM

Scott IN the real world you can't evict because they will lie there way out. Are you going to stay at the property day and night and stalk them?

I was sick and my son was helping me. My son was dog sitting. My son was here to meet the maintenance men. My son was protecting the property since I was out of town........... on and on. It's a can of worms. Let the payment history dictate the dispo now. --108.239.xx.xx

Lease Fraud? (by Ed [CA]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2023 12:17 PM

This is one reason of dozens that I don't trust any management company to run my rentals. --108.201.xx.xx

Lease Fraud? (by Mike45 [NV]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2023 3:56 PM

I do not understand the posts blaming the Management Company. What should they have done that would have uncovered this nefarious plot before they gave possession to the 62 year old man?

I have had a former tenant of mine rent a new place from me, only to discover that he had rented the unit for friends. I do not think my screening was at fault. The new/former tenant simply lied about his intentions. But he is on the hook for rent and for any damages.

Lease Fraud? (by baman [AL]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2023 6:39 AM

Wow ! you guys are great! Ive learned alot Thanks

Lease Fraud? (by Dave [CA]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2023 7:12 AM

Is there really a problem here .???

Everyone here is missing an IMPORTANT POINT

Most jurisdictions will allow family members of tenants to occupy as long as total number of persons does not exceed code.

Yes, it was a fast one to do what appears to have been done but if indeed this is dad and son, I think you facing a headwind in court unless this is a problem tenancy.for standard reasons.

Dad is the one on the hook.

Confirm with dad that the physical characteristics thirty something male was observed and ask for confirmation of ID,so indeed your not dealing with a squatter.

If rent is paid, place is clean,no illegal stuff apparent and neighbors arent screaming,..Id call it a good, quiet tenancy.

At fair market rents,a warm body is better than an empty property.


Lease Fraud? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2023 7:12 AM

Whose name are the utilities in?

Lease Fraud? (by MC [PA]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2023 9:02 AM

Um, you don't know anything about this person, even a name? No criminal background, etc? I believe that is part of the issue. Who gets the rent? How is it paid-whose name? Does anyone know where the original lease signer is?If it had been honest from the start, I believe there would not be an issue.

Lease Fraud? (by jonny [NY]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2023 12:13 PM

Ray-N-PA I highly doubt the utility company will ever tell you that information unless it's in the owners name. What's odd is they like to say "that's confidential information" yet it's your property... I've tried that before and they just say no.

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