I did. Typical Govt. Stupid is as stupid does.

I own two small houses built in the 1920s that have 60 amp fuse boxes. There is no way to add an electric stove without a full upgrade including service mast, service panel, and rewiring up to code. In my town, you touch Anything other than a single circuit and it requires 100% up to code. Last time I priced it, the cost was around $5000 per unit. That was pre-Covid.

My guess is there are probably at least 5,000,000 housing units across the nation that likewise would require these updates if gas stoves are made illegal. So for a cool $25 billion, done deal!

Then there are all the nicer, newer houses that will require retrofitting because they have gas ranges. Won't require a full upgrade to code because there will be plenty of room in the box to add another circuit, but still... let's say another $500-$800 per house... probably something like 50 million or so homes nationwide with capacity only for gas stoves...

We haven't event discussed the millions of restaurants across the nation that have gas fired grills, ovens, etc.

All paid for by Uncle Sugar (Sam) no doubt to get rid of what is essentially a relatively clean source of fuel at a time when the nation's electric grid staggers under current demand. A couple trillion here or there and pretty soon we're talking about real money.

In the US there is a proposal to ban JUST stoves because they aren't vented like a furnace, dryer or water heater. It's less about burning fossil fuels and more about indoor air quality for kids, people with breathing issues, etc.

Larry actually gas stoves are suppose to have vents to outside. Vent hood type that has plug to knock out.

I think it may be local code-- but regardless your getting CO2 into the air in the house. NOT a good thing when a gas stove isn't vented properly.

A few years ago during a multi-day power outage in the winter, we had no electricity to run our gas furnace. So I lit the burners on our gas stove and just barely cracked the kitchen window. I periodically checked the carbon monoxide using my computer's uninterruptible power supply and a carbon monoxide detector with a LED readout. The detector always showed zero and we were able to keep our 1200 sq. ft. house at 63 degrees for those few days with no issues.

Besides that, if it is an issue for those children who have asthma, let the parents choose where and how they want to live rather than make it an issue for those who have no asthma issues.

"I am sure this whole thing is more political than it is for true safety."

Ding ding!! We have a winner!!

Regulators will always come up with new regs; it is their job. Gas stoves create unsafe indoor air quality? Hundreds of millions of Americans lived their whole lives in homes with gas stoves without detriment, how did we survive?

Los Angeles won't issue tickets to those who jay-walk, it's legal now. But in the news they forget to tell the Jay-Walkers that they can only cross when safe! So people a jumping in front of cars thinking they always have the right of way.

Some thing with banning gas appliances. Currently there is not enough power being produced to power what's already out there.

MYOB I tried to give you my email but it won't submit. Watch Lindell tv on line one night and you will find out.

Insanity, Eh?

Energy budgets plus pollution. Not to worry, its all political, right?

Times have changed, national interests have changed, so has our way of life. Whats political is Biden saying that he doesn't support banning gas stoves. He doesn't want to be the one asking those who don't want to pay for it.

But the future is here. We want energy independence plus pollution freedom and, of course, it has to be paid for. Thats the price of progress.

Your maintenance plans need to include planning for electric cars, electric stoves, heating and trash disposal. Be forewarned.

It's being promulgated under the guise of caring about indoor air quality for kids, people with breathing issues, etc., but it IS all about fossil fuels. This has been crafted to cause people to have to change to electric stoves.

Really, Sparky?

Sparky, I never use them. The idea of five hundred degrees burning crap in my house is difficult for me.

as I reflect back on my American History, Americans tend to do really bad when we are told what we have to do. It didn't work well over 200 years ago, it didn't work well 20 years ago and it absolutely didn't go well 2 years ago.

Yet - instead of framing a topic in a positive manner - it typically gets cast in a negative light.

Putting on my tin foil hat for this post.....

Thinking this is just a ploy to move everyone to electricity for heating, cooking, hot water, laundry, and backup generators. Then they can force every home to use a smart meter and cut off houses individually or monitor everything they use and legislate a maximum usage making everyone's consumption "equal."

As I reflect on my American history (seen from the view of a foreign education), Americans who were drafted in WWII and told what to do, did pretty well, especially for my family. I am sure that other examples abound.

"They" can legislate what "THEY" want, including cutting off sales of gasoline-powered cars, or natural gas powered stoves, or burning leaves in your own alley, but "they" generally have a purpose in mind that justifies the legislation, otherwise it will be repealed when the other Congress changes.

"they can force every home to use a smart meter and cut off houses individually or monitor everything they use and legislate a maximum usage making everyone's consumption "equal." .

Oh, come now. Thats as illogical as it is paranoical". Do you really think that"

"It's all about controlling the population by having us all dependent on electricity as our only means for cooking, washing, transportation, etc., while our grids are exposed to terror attacks ..." Do you suppose that smart engineers can figure out how to re-route electricity demand automatically if one relay station goes down, if electricity is as abundant as we can actually make it. Consider further development of nuclear generation, not to mention those amazing results last month from the Lawrence Berkeley Lab? We can have as much electricity as we demand with present fission techniques, and now fusion is on the way.

Someoune is paranoid about some invisible source trying to control his every movement and thought. I disagree.

"Moshe,have you ever heard of the Great Reset?"

I like it when people post nutty stuff but don't tell you what it means. Like even they know it's off the wall nuts and they can't put it in writing.

The Great Reset is the conspiracy theory that some global world order (unclear who this is) used Covid to destroy capitalism and bring in one world government.

"Gas by products" is only an issue in the over insulated, super tight houses now required by the greenie oligarchs.

They have NO problem flying private jets which is a massive "carbon foorprint" but telling the serfs not to have gas stoves.

It's interesting that this thread continues, but no one has mentioned that it wasn't true at all. There is no plan or even real suggestion from anyone in power to ban gas stoves. Bloomberg basically ran an incorrect article and almost all talk has been based on that incorrect information. Bloomberg tends to do this -- rush to push out a story before they have their facts straight.

ONE commissioner of a consumer safety agency suggested to the press that a ban on gas stoves could be on the table. This was his personal opinion and not based on reality. Since then, the chair of the Consumer Product Safety Commission said that the agency is indeed researching the impact of gas stoves and how they might be made better in the future (such as required venting), they have absolutely no plans to ban them.

Note that there is also a convenience "#cookingwithgas" marketing campaign being run right now on Twitter by some large gas companies. What surprisingly convenient timing!

In any case, this isn't a thing. Never was. Just news media misinformation and/or bad reporting -- combined with a marketing campaign by people who really, really want to push people to buy more gas stuff.

Note that even the junior commissioner who spoke with the press didn't say that they were really considering a ban. All he said was: "This is a hidden hazard. Any option is on the table. Products that can't be made safe can be banned."

That's it. A statement that products that can't be made safe can be banned. Well, duh. That's the JOB of a Consumer Safety Commission -- to make sure products are safe and, if not, they can't be sold.

But that's barely an implication that they might even consider banning gas stoves. But Bloomberg ran with it and told everyone that was the plan when it clearly isn't.

Even that junior commissioner has now revised his statement and clarified that even if they were ever banned, it would be for new construction only. But, again, there are absolutely NO PLANS to do that currently.

"As I reflect on my American history (seen from the view of a foreign education), Americans who were drafted in WWII and told what to do, did pretty well, especially for my family

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I think you missed the point of why those young men agreed to allow themselves the to be "told" what to do, it was called standing up for freedom. It is a basis for what this country was built on. To use that as an argument for blindly following an oppressive government mandate is the worst form of disrespect to those young men and women and what they stood and died for, your freedom to write such nonsense.

"Someone is paranoid about some invisible source trying to control his every movement and thought. I disagree."

I thought gas appliances in California were on a municipality basis. Did the state ban them fully?

My new construction is all electric because my residents want one bill. Since electric, water, sewer and trash are all from the city utility company, it is significantly easier to do all electric. My own home has some gas, but I don't have an issue with multiple bills.

One of our next construction projects will probably be to build our own home. I've mentioned it before. We plan to do solar panels on the roof and a natural gas backup generator when we build it.

Well, at least the pro-gas people don't sound crazy...

Oh wait...

John--It is not the wacky exaggeration that you make it out to be. After the uproar, the White House guy was embarrassed and contradicted what the regulator had stated.

Have you not read how major cities such as NYC have ALREADY banned gas in new construction??

The first step of the ban would be on new construction. Then-----it would be extended to new installations. Finally, they would be banned outright and everyone would have to change over. This is how gov't takes away our freedom, incrementally.