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getting workers!? (by Hollis [MA]) Jan 8, 2023 11:10 AM
       getting workers!? (by Hollis [M]) Jan 8, 2023 11:23 AM
       getting workers!? (by WL [CA]) Jan 8, 2023 11:54 AM
       getting workers!? (by plenty [MO]) Jan 8, 2023 12:22 PM
       getting workers!? (by Larry [MN]) Jan 8, 2023 12:40 PM
       getting workers!? (by jonny [NY]) Jan 8, 2023 12:41 PM
       getting workers!? (by RB [TN]) Jan 8, 2023 12:43 PM
       getting workers!? (by LTD [AZ]) Jan 8, 2023 12:56 PM
       getting workers!? (by Richard [MI]) Jan 8, 2023 1:02 PM
       getting workers!? (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Jan 8, 2023 2:20 PM
       getting workers!? (by MikeA [TX]) Jan 8, 2023 4:26 PM
       getting workers!? (by MikeA [TX]) Jan 8, 2023 5:23 PM
       getting workers!? (by Mapleaf18 [NY]) Jan 8, 2023 7:09 PM
       getting workers!? (by Robert j [CA]) Jan 8, 2023 7:30 PM
       getting workers!? (by Ken [NY]) Jan 8, 2023 8:09 PM
       getting workers!? (by Robert J [CA]) Jan 9, 2023 12:00 PM
       getting workers!? (by Ken [NY]) Jan 9, 2023 5:32 PM
       getting workers!? (by 6x6 [TN]) Jan 9, 2023 8:29 PM
       getting workers!? (by don [PA]) Jan 10, 2023 12:09 AM
       getting workers!? (by don [PA]) Jan 10, 2023 12:10 AM
       getting workers!? (by don [PA]) Jan 10, 2023 12:15 AM
       getting workers!? (by WL [CA]) Jan 10, 2023 2:42 AM
       getting workers!? (by Hollis [MA]) Jan 10, 2023 7:55 AM
       getting workers!? (by Hollis [MA]) Jan 10, 2023 8:28 AM
       getting workers!? (by don [PA]) Jan 10, 2023 1:38 PM
       getting workers!? (by Hollis [MA]) Jan 11, 2023 1:58 AM
       getting workers!? (by tryan [MA]) Jan 11, 2023 9:21 AM
       getting workers!? (by tryan [MA]) Jan 11, 2023 9:36 AM
       getting workers!? (by Lisa [TX]) Jan 11, 2023 12:21 PM
       getting workers!? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Jan 12, 2023 12:01 AM
       getting workers!? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Jan 12, 2023 12:02 AM
       getting workers!? (by Lisa [TX]) Jan 12, 2023 1:23 PM
       getting workers!? (by GKARL [PA]) Jan 12, 2023 4:45 PM
       getting workers!? (by Mama Bear. [MI]) Jan 13, 2023 4:16 AM
       getting workers!? (by Susan [FL]) Jan 13, 2023 6:20 PM
       getting workers!? (by zero [IN]) Jan 20, 2023 8:55 AM

getting workers!? (by Hollis [MA]) Posted on: Jan 8, 2023 11:10 AM

I don't know how it is in your area, but in mine it's very hard to get workers for just about anything. This goes for plumbers electricians carpenters, handymen etc.

I have a few good guys that I can still rely on but I have properties spread out over a fairly large area including New York State and they are not available to go to all service areas.,..there are times where we may do call after call to try to get someone to work and if they do even call back, they tell us that he can't get to me for many months. So just a few days ago we had a problem of no heat in a nine unit building,.This has a fairly new boiler.we found that the original installation people sold out that division to another company who does not work on natural gas boilers and suggested calling a plumber. .And not all plumbing heating people say they can work on steam. Currently they need extra insurance to do so.

So I called the 10+ plumbers in the area and only one call back and said he couldn't do it for a long time.

So what you do for a no heat and upset tenants in the cold? so finally one of the plumbers had pity on us to come out to the nine unit building and worked on the boiler to get them heat.

Not sure what I would've done with tenants screaming for heat and threatening to call the authorities and TV stations if he didn't come out.

But again in Massachusetts and in New York service people/owners are saying the same things, they are overwhelmed, a lot of their help have quit , and they can't seem to attract any new ones. They tell me that young people don't want to go to the trades anymore, they would rather get a job in an air-conditioned office etc. and not crazy about getting their hands dirty


So I was thinking about all these aliens coming into the United States. Even if they send back many of the illegals, they are still allowing a lot of them to apply and legally stay in the United States.

I would guess that most of them have little trade ability. I wonder if the government (and without messing things up,) have them learn English in one part of the day and a trade in another part. Maybe underwrite for a short time, some of the amount of money to the trades to break them in and becoming the plumbers, carpenters, electricians, and other workers/ people that we need.

getting workers!? (by Hollis [M]) Posted on: Jan 8, 2023 11:23 AM

I remember going to Mexico just outside of a tourist area. At the community information Center in town they were teaching couple dozen people to speak English. Listening to them talk,they were mostly doing pretty good at it. I don't know how long each had been taking this course. Part of the day they were also training them on other things that involved the big hotels.

I was told ,.such things as basic room maintenance, to bookkeeping, car rentals, wait staff for the restaurant, etc. etc.

I was told that these paid much more than they would generally get from the road crew maintenance, their building trades etc. and that learning English was a big factor on where they could work and what they could be paid.

getting workers!? (by WL [CA]) Posted on: Jan 8, 2023 11:54 AM

Prime spots are liquor store parking lots, tent cities, freeway interchanges - alkies need money for booze, tweekers are happy to dig ditches for quick cash, just buy cheap tools from Harbor Freight cause they will be stolen. You will need to be their brain and stand there and tell them what to do, cause theirs is fried or pickled.

getting workers!? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Jan 8, 2023 12:22 PM

Here is what I do. If my regular handyman isn't available, I just call a large company listed online or in the phone book, bill boards etc. And get the work done and pay the bill and carry on. Why is this a road block when the independent guys are not available, fix it like your own home.

getting workers!? (by Larry [MN]) Posted on: Jan 8, 2023 12:40 PM

Minnesota has about the lowest unemployment in the nation. Impossible to get workers. I've stopped going to fast food, quick service type places because the experience is always so bad. Lines, slow, dirty restaurants. May places have cut hours close mid week, etc.

Yet I keep reading about all these people flooding over the border. Either it's BS or they aren't coming north. No reason these people can't do roofing, drywall, painting, work service industry jobs.

Companies can't grow and expand because they can't get the help they need. Seems like immigration is the only answer. I personally wouldn't encourage anyone to go into the trades. When the great recession hit in 2008 they were all out of work. You can count on it happening again.

getting workers!? (by jonny [NY]) Posted on: Jan 8, 2023 12:41 PM

It is tough here too... my "go to guy" retired last April and since then... I have trouble finding anyone to do anything. I had an apartment that needed some minor work (more than enough for me to do as I had other personal things going on as well as just something I didn't want to do) ... it took me until November to find someone that would not only show up (two showed up but them never called back or returned my calls, the others just never answered the phone or called back) this was from June!

I have a few names now but wow it took too long. The sad part is that they did an "OK" job on the cleaning but not like what the other would have done. One of the reasons I didn't want to call this particular person was because a few years ago I asked him to fix something (a water line that had a small leak) and his response was "it's not a bad leak... I'd leave it alone... it's barely dripping anything anyway".

Heating is tough because you have to have a few people I think. I'd go through my list of them when I would have an issue to see who I could go there "sooner"... as not all have the time to just go on a moment's notice. Some do it as a side job (their main job is heating so they do it on the side) so they may not be able to get to it for a few days until they are "off".

If you call a big company... you are paying two to three times more than you would.

getting workers!? (by RB [TN]) Posted on: Jan 8, 2023 12:43 PM

Thanks for reminding me

why I did 97% of the work myself.

Finding laborers is one thing, (two hands and a heartbeat)

hiring highly trained, licensed and insured professionals

in their trades, is another.

getting workers!? (by LTD [AZ]) Posted on: Jan 8, 2023 12:56 PM

I've gone from having a payroll crew 15 years ago to using casual cash labor, until that got too risky liability wise.

On my latest projects I used our local Labor Ready temp office. Last year we did nearly everything ourselves as even they couldn't supply laborers on a regular basis due to so much construction going on.

The only things I hire out now are AC, and I only get fast service there because the owner is a friend for over a decade. And I hire out reverse osmosis and water softner issues because the family who owns the company lives three doors away and while I'm trying to figger out what's wrong, his guys are done. LOL

Hoping I don't have roof issues anytime soon.

getting workers!? (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Jan 8, 2023 1:02 PM

It's pretty much the same situation here in Northern Michigan. There are no places where people stand around waiting for day jobs.

One thing I do see is there are plenty of preople on facebk saying they want to work, but if you message them, they seldom get back to you. Anyone reliable is booked months out. It's too bad more don't want to get into the trades because they could make good money. --75.7.xx.xx

getting workers!? (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Jan 8, 2023 2:20 PM

Steam heating is a very archaic system where not very efficient along with not many people are familiar to service. Expensive upfront where it is possbie to convert boiler to forced hot water where installl a return fiiting then change radiators where lowest cost option in copper fiinned baseboards then use Uponor commercial pex piping. One apartment buiding the heating contractor require a special license if the boiler system was over million Btus. A lower temperature system is going to run less along less problems. In apartment biilding installled to smaller gas boilers where there was always reduncy where if one boiler failled then could continue heat. Here steam heating is very rare where only buildings that over hundred year old used. One time at railway station seen rediators were steam where the firxt time seen that system. Steam heating was also used to heat the cars on passenger trains where when diesel was used a second car with a steam boiler was used. Now a completely different system is used.

getting workers!? (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Jan 8, 2023 4:26 PM

Here in my neck of the woods the trades are being taken over by immigrants from Mexico. It's probably 3/4's of the skilled/licensed trades and 99.44% of the semi and unskilled trades. As a rule, the lower you go on the skill level the less English they know and the more recent their arrival to the US. This demographic doesn't have the same fear of work and getting dirty that Americans do, they jump in.

I had a tile contractor do some work for me over the Christmas holiday's. I asked him if they were going to work on the Saturday of Christmas Eve. He point blank told me "that is a white people's holiday, we work that day". He has no respect for the American's work ethic and that is echoed in his crews.

All in all, it has made it much easier to find trades people. I also suspect that some of your challenges are over the top Government bureaucracy you face in MA & NY as well as the strong Pro-union guys muscling out the competition to keep things tight. I can imagine what my tile guy would say about working in the environment up there. Pretty sure he would be ignoring every ounce of external interference and would end up jailed or deported.

From what I understand our Governor has bee trying to help you out by sending busloads of immigrants to NYC. Doesn't seem to be a very popular solution with your politicians though.

getting workers!? (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Jan 8, 2023 5:23 PM

Just a thought but have you looked into establish a maintenance contract on your critical systems like boilers. We used to have a few where I worked at my day job. We contracted with a certain company to perform periodic preventative maintenance on a set schedule as part of the set contract price. In the terms we had a set hourly repair rate established and some required response times (IE: 24 hours) for initial diagnostics with repairs to be performed without delay as quickly as possible. It also established the notification requirements for both PM and diagnostics/repair.

The preventative maintenance work was really just the tickler to get a company hooked. They like that money because they can schedule it at their own convenience within reason and it's guaranteed income. The real benefit for us was to have an agreed, contract established, repair schedule and cost negotiated basis for when things went South. One phone call and they had a max of 24 hours to respond and they knew it. It eliminated a lot of the daily hair-on-fire exercises before they started.

getting workers!? (by Mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: Jan 8, 2023 7:09 PM

There's nothing like steam or woodstove heat.

I'll bet the "greenies" think so too although they'd never admit to it.

getting workers!? (by Robert j [CA]) Posted on: Jan 8, 2023 7:30 PM

I look thru the local yellow pages for:

electrical supply house

plumbing supply house

building supply warehouse

and other trades like masonry, landscaping, and so on.

Get there before the open and watch the trucks and van show up for materials. You can ask all of them if they have time for a small job. When you tell them your a landlord and have work/jobs every few weeks -- all of them would like to court you for your business.

I was at a well known paint supply house and found a great painter that lost his license and could only work inside so he wouldn't be caught doing more contract work. I told him i have a license and when he works for me, it's under my license, so if he gets caught, then the fuzz down my road and i will set them straight.


getting workers!? (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jan 8, 2023 8:09 PM

you have to have a license to paint in CA? THAT IS REDICULOUS --74.77.xx.xx

getting workers!? (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Jan 9, 2023 12:00 PM

Ken, it is not ridiculous that a painter has to be licensed in California! Why? Because it took the entire United States until 1978 to realize old building materials "could" contain toxic materials. While in Europe, in the year 1900, they mandated workers to be knowledgeable about Toxic Lead Paint, Mold and Asbestos -- and deal with it.

I was ordered by Los Angeles City to expose Children to Toxic Lead Paint, and get a repair done within 10 days. I reported the City of Los Angeles to the State and to Federal agencies. But Los Angeles makes up their own rules and no one was going to take them on!

Now many people don't believe me and my stories. But remember 911 and the World Trade Center. My brother worked 1 block away. I told him over the telephone to get a respirator because the first few floors of the world trade center was lined with Asbestos as a heat shield. Over the news some "women" in the Government position of authority came out and said, "Don't worry, it's safe, you don't need a mask"! She was wrong and thousands got lung cancer and died!

So when California and the Fed's came up with RRP Safe Lead practices, they made contractors, apartment owners/managers get training if they planed on painting. At that time there were only a hand full of contractors with those certifications. So tenants were protected from non-skilled workers allowing toxins into the air. --47.156.xx.xx

getting workers!? (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jan 9, 2023 5:32 PM

Robert,in order to paint you do not need RRP,you only need RRP to disturb the surface to a certain extent.The boss needs it and he can supervise employees.Needing a license to paint is rediculous --74.77.xx.xx

getting workers!? (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jan 9, 2023 8:29 PM

My understanding is that CA is very strict on everything. Most packaged material seems to state that it may cause cancer according to CA. It probably does though.

getting workers!? (by don [PA]) Posted on: Jan 10, 2023 12:09 AM

Hollis--We cannot constantly import waves of evermore people to do our blue collar work. That is not sustainable. We have to have our own blue collar working class. Very hard to establish now I admit because all of the money given away over the last 3 years ruined work ethics, but at some price level people will work.

getting workers!? (by don [PA]) Posted on: Jan 10, 2023 12:10 AM

Ken--yeah, you do not need to have the RRP cert to paint----as long as you do not disturb the painted surface. If you have any flaking that needs to be scraped, or any sanding, that is disturbing the surface.

getting workers!? (by don [PA]) Posted on: Jan 10, 2023 12:15 AM

Mike---I do not want to contribute to the problem of illegal immigration and its degradation of our working class. We decry blue collar workers that want higher wages and shorter hours and act like that justifies hiring illegals. Was not the basis for the whole union movement higher wages and shorter hours, along with safer conditions?

getting workers!? (by WL [CA]) Posted on: Jan 10, 2023 2:42 AM

I knew a contractor Mark B years ago who was fond of meth. Did some crappy jobs for a relative, later heard he got a remodeling contract for an old building. He began tearing out old asbestos and tossing it out the windows onto the sidewalks and sides of the building. Somehow inspectors found out and had a warrant issued for his arrest for environmental contamination. . . Big problems . . .

getting workers!? (by Hollis [MA]) Posted on: Jan 10, 2023 7:55 AM

Don, How do you fix the problem of owner contractor's saying that young people don't want to go into trade anymore and want to work where they don't get their hands dirty? Want not to work 5 days a week or be available for emergency calls etc.I talked to a local shop teacher and he said that fewer and fewer students sign up for his courses.

cheap labor

Do you think that offering new workers huge increases of pay is going to do it? As it is I'm getting bill from service people that are hugh compared to just a few years ago. I can only raise just so much.

Back in history we had waves of immigrants come in and they were assimilated into the work force. Germans, Poles ,Irish etc. Not to have cheaper labor to take work from the workers that are currently staying home. (I can't believe those people are paid so much by gov programs that cover nearly what they used to get by working)

and I believe a lot of those gov payment have already ended,

I think a lot of workers now feel its nice not to have to work. That is what has happened in other countries.

When I have traveled to some of these, I notice the excessively laid back work ethic.

I'm also not suggesting we just take hoards of immigrants that want to come here to be put in these programs but just offering training to those legal immigrants from any that want it,.

getting workers!? (by Hollis [MA]) Posted on: Jan 10, 2023 8:28 AM

I just heard minutes ago on the network news that well over a million people have left the work force, How many people in the US? Something like 335 million? Take away children, the elderly, people retiring, people truly unable to work due to health reasons, and that's a large chunk of available people to work.

getting workers!? (by don [PA]) Posted on: Jan 10, 2023 1:38 PM

Hollis---How do you deal with not having enough people willing to do work that gets their hands dirty? Well, how is any other shortage addressed in a free market economy?? Wages rise until there are enough people taking the work. To say that the price mechanism will not work is to abrogate the whole basis of a free market economy.

As far as the statement that we took in lots of immigrants in the past, we never had 335 million people in the USA in the past. Just in the last 40 years, we have added 100 million people. That is the population of a large nation in and of itself. The birth rate of native born Americans is 2.2, right at replacement level. Almost all of our population growth has come from immigration---directly by the addition of the immigrant and indirectly by the fact that they have large families once here. Remember that when the gov't tells us what kind of toilet or showerhead we are limited to using because of water scarcity, or pushes electric cars on us because of pollution.

getting workers!? (by Hollis [MA]) Posted on: Jan 11, 2023 1:58 AM

Don,..I think that free markets can be affected by different things based on other factors like the government providing free money to so many.Is it then a real free market? Then after a while many consider the government benefits to be assumed rights.

I know that a few families in my neighborhood when I was very young, lived on a form of welfare.None of the older members seem to ever work regular jobs, Seeing some of those families, the young people might eventually have worked at jobs for a while, but early on found ways to somehow live with public money,..maybe not very well,..but well enough that they had no big impedes to ever work again,.

.I guess that MAYBE if they were offered a very large amount of money to do ( probably not so hard work) they MIGHT get back into the work force,

But again is that really a free market force? I think in the term "free markets" we have to be careful not to put that term as an entity upon an alter as it can be effected by so many things today.

Ie: when I got out of school, I needed some money to get into my profession. It happened to be that the local union president of the plumbers were good friends of my parents and lived just a few doors away. He asked if I would like to get a job for a while as a plumber. I told him I wasn't a plumber and I would feel odd showing up as one.

He said no problem, just show up at this huge worksite for General Electric. It was known as a cost plus job. I didn't know what that meant but I finally found out that essentially whatever cost, labor and materials,.. they would charge GE for. There were hundreds of plumbers on this job and the president made it known that I was to be "taken care of" which was a bit embarrassing. I was given a number of simple jobs and especially would do steam tracing which I found that wasn't all that hard but the other plumbers thought it was and hated it, so it was good for me,and I was left pretty much to my self.

The point is in doing that and a few other things that were required of me, I swear I could've gotten done and maybe an hour of the day. The rest the time you had to sort of look busy. In those days the money was very very good especially for someone just out of school. I actually hated doing such little work but every time I tried to do more, doing a few hours work in a day, some of the other plumbers would take me aside and say "hey kid, you're making us look bad, and ending this job too soon,.so slow way way down".(or else,.. was the implied message) So sometimes I would put a small pipe over my shoulder and would walk from one end of this huge plant being built to the other.Often chatting with some of the guys,..neither the G.E. bosses or the union bosses seemed to care, I guess it kept all of us working.

getting workers!? (by tryan [MA]) Posted on: Jan 11, 2023 9:21 AM

I kept my junk in the hood close by ..... short drive between them. Then my maintenance practice was to scope the problem myself ... put EYES on it. Hire out only if necessary AND WATCH what the guy did. Get trained in the fix as well as getting the fix.

This stuff ain't rocket science. Pretty soon I found myself only hiring out major installs requiring permits and licensed peeps.

I enjoy problem solving. Your results may vary.

getting workers!? (by tryan [MA]) Posted on: Jan 11, 2023 9:36 AM

... little bit funny ... my son calls and says his oil burner won't fire. It's a weekend ... doesn't want the OT charges.

I said "It one of two things, the nozzel near the ignitor is clogged (unscrew it and clean it ... kerosene works) or replace the ignitor"

He replaced the ignitor and had heat in a few hours. I said "You are your fathers son!!"

getting workers!? (by Lisa [TX]) Posted on: Jan 11, 2023 12:21 PM

We have the same problem in TX since the pandemic. Hard to find good workers, prices went up 2-3 times, some just don't seem to want to work any more.

We still have our regular guys - plumber, electrician, painter, roofers, tree guys etc. to handle emergencies, houses far away and larger projects. For smaller non-urgent issues, my husband would go and fix it. He is handy and an electrical engineer, we both don't work a job and have plenty of time. He fixed a few ovens recently and saved us thousand. Also use this opportunity to check on the house and on tenants.

So step in yourself some times if you want to get things done. We leave it 100% to others when we are travelling or feeling lazy. We also test out new guys, so for every specialized area we have at least 2 teams to call in case one gets busy.

getting workers!? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2023 12:01 AM

Workers and techs will respond to their FRIENDS and those who APPRECIATE their time and work, esp the ones who pay INSTANTLY without complaining or whining.

Our annual Christmas Luncheon really helped keep our company on the Top 5 list with repair folks.

I also send them referral business and ask “Please tell them Brad sent you!”

All that said I also have great difficulty finding basic help. Part time cleaning ladies turning up their nose at $25 /hour. The most recent interview wanted $50 per hour.


getting workers!? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2023 12:02 AM

PS I am seeing this in the medical arena.

4 months to schedule an eye exam. 3 months for a dental appt.


getting workers!? (by Lisa [TX]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2023 1:23 PM

Yes, totally agreed. We pay our repair guys well and immediately, respect them and trust their work, keeping good relationships for over a decade. I will tell them if a job is urgent or not so urgent, so they can arrange priority. They will reschedule other appointments to take care of my urgent issues when needed. When it's not urgent, I also respect they have other jobs to finish before mine, and rush them.

My doctors are facing the same problem! Short of trained staff making it very slow to book appointments, and lots of mistakes when they file insurance due to lake of experience.

getting workers!? (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Jan 12, 2023 4:45 PM

Where possible I try to simplify things to eliminate as many issues as possible. Electric heating eliminates a lot of heat calls unless the electric goes out. I find handyman tasks extremely difficult to hire out and you have to be wary of those who answer the call right away they are often not competent. I'm trying to develop a bench two to three people deep that I can call in for handyman tasks. I have plumbing, electrical and HVAC pretty much covered

getting workers!? (by Mama Bear. [MI]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2023 4:16 AM

Guys, we lost over a million essence workers during the pandemic.These people did not leave the work force by choice.Any way these were mostly our working people. Now we want these people that are on government assistant to get their hands dirty doing our dirty work. I found that I had to put on my big girl's pants and do somethings myself or go deep in my pocket and pay..Even paying them a lot of money most times I have to finish the job myself..You guys are such Big Babies.

Now that I said that. To you guys that have judges in your pockets. Can I add to my lease a $500.00 evictions fee if I have to take the tenant to court.This will be refundable at move out.Before the pandemic the lawyer's fee was fifty dollars to go to court for my LLC. It is now five hundred. Here in my city all tenants gets a free lawyer plus an extra three to four more rent free. This is because of the pandemic even though these people are working every day.

getting workers!? (by Susan [FL]) Posted on: Jan 13, 2023 6:20 PM

We are in the construction business, my husband is a state certified and licensed building contractor. It is hell trying to find crew let alone crew that have driver's licenses, let alone, crew that can read a blueprint. There is a lot of hand holding/ baby sitting. We are listed in the BBB, and also pick other trades the same way. Every state has a sight. You will be paying premium, but mostly getting the job done right. I say mostly. BE PRESENT when work is being done. I recently had a total replumb of a rental and the inspector failed it because;

#1 no one representing the company was present when the inspections took place, as should be.

And #2. They covered all the holes with duct tape and the drywall they cut out and the inspector said it wasn't his job to uncover it. Which it isn't.

But if a representative was they it would have been remedied.

And #3 They failed to use fire retardent caulk in the chases. DUH.

This company had STELLAR reviews, my realtor listed them as a vendor and she hadsa fine screen filter, and they had BBB A+ rating.

YOU MUST BE PRESENT WHEN WORK IS BEING DONE. Ask questions, and know the answers, don't be afraid to request a good job or to go back and redo it. HOLD THE CHECK until you are happy.

As far as the immigrants, I never had better workers than the Mexican roofers who did not speak a work of English. They worked like dogs and did a perfect job. No one was smoking a doob around the corner, or on the phone, or drinking a beer in the truck, they worked! Give me all of them, they are coming here to work not suck off the system, I am hiring.

getting workers!? (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2023 8:55 AM

With regards to the BBB I don't even look into it any more.

Years back had a basement leak issue. Found a company with a great BBB rating. Got them in and got scammed. I fought long and hard with this so called company. They didn't care. All they planned to do was change the name a little and go back at it.

BBB was no help. I blamed them for the bad company being praised. No help. Now I realize that the bad companies can get in there as well as the good ones. Just like when you see ratings listed elsewhere. You can get your buddies to help make you look good online and then play it out until you get caught.

Also, finding anyone who actually wants to work is almost impossible. My carpenter went out on his own because he can make much more than I can pay him. He comes back when slow because of waiting on materials but we both know it is temporary.

I just want someone with a strong back, a good work ethic and a willingness to learn.

That unicorn isn't showing itself.

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