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Unwelcome guest (by JamesD [CO]) Dec 5, 2022 2:10 PM
       Unwelcome guest (by plenty [MO]) Dec 5, 2022 4:35 PM
       Unwelcome guest (by don [PA]) Dec 5, 2022 5:09 PM
       Unwelcome guest (by Vee [OH]) Dec 5, 2022 5:10 PM
       Unwelcome guest (by JamesD [CO]) Dec 5, 2022 5:16 PM
       Unwelcome guest (by plenty [MO]) Dec 5, 2022 6:55 PM
       Unwelcome guest (by Ed [CA]) Dec 5, 2022 8:14 PM
       Unwelcome guest (by Still Learning [NH]) Dec 5, 2022 8:29 PM
       Unwelcome guest (by JamesD [CO]) Dec 6, 2022 11:33 AM
       Unwelcome guest (by don [PA]) Dec 6, 2022 3:34 PM
       Unwelcome guest (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Dec 6, 2022 8:40 PM
       Unwelcome guest (by Ken [NY]) Dec 7, 2022 10:13 AM
       Unwelcome guest (by don [PA]) Dec 7, 2022 11:18 AM
       Unwelcome guest (by MG [NJ]) Dec 8, 2022 7:33 AM
       Unwelcome guest (by Busy [WI]) Dec 9, 2022 12:06 PM
       Unwelcome guest (by Busy [WI]) Dec 9, 2022 12:08 PM
       Unwelcome guest (by Busy [WI]) Dec 9, 2022 12:08 PM

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Unwelcome guest (by JamesD [CO]) Posted on: Dec 5, 2022 2:10 PM
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We have a blind tenant in one of our 2bdr units - she just had surgery and needed extra help getting around while recovering. She has a care-taker/friend that has been helping her regularily. Recently we discovered that the care take has lost her apartment and has been occupying the extra bedroom in our unit. We've been lenient because the tenant needs help while recovering from surgery, but we made it clear that the caretaker's stay should come to an end asap. Although we don't have clear indication that she won't move out, I want to be vigilant and know my rights as the Landlord in this situation. What should I be doing legally to keep pressure on the caretaker? We have a clause in the written Lease with the tenant regarding staying guests, but I'm not sure this applies in this case.

--73.153.xxx.xx




Unwelcome guest (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Dec 5, 2022 4:35 PM
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Well, I would not like any of that. Can you just end the lease with your resident or not renew? --47.50.xxx.xx




Unwelcome guest (by don [PA]) Posted on: Dec 5, 2022 5:09 PM
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If there is an extra bedroom, why not? "Plenty," you want him to throw the blind lady out?? Get the friend to sign a new lease along with the current tenant. Two income streams make it easier for you to get your rent than one. --73.141.xxx.xxx




Unwelcome guest (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Dec 5, 2022 5:10 PM
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If you are not sure how to manage your investment - it is time to sell, the kids running the lemonade stand know when to put everything away and go to the area baseball diamond. --76.190.xxx.xxx




Unwelcome guest (by JamesD [CO]) Posted on: Dec 5, 2022 5:16 PM
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We don't want her on our lease. How do we throw her out legally without getting sued? --73.153.xxx.xx




Unwelcome guest (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Dec 5, 2022 6:55 PM
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Is she a guest or a caregiver? Both? --172.56.xx.xx




Unwelcome guest (by Ed [CA]) Posted on: Dec 5, 2022 8:14 PM
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Some detail would help. What is undesireable about the guest? How badly do you want to keep your blind tenant? Why not consider taking on the guest and increase the rent? --108.201.xx.xx




Unwelcome guest (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Dec 5, 2022 8:29 PM
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Curious about this so did a Google search and found Rocket lawyer has an article titled Is a Landlord Required to Allow a Live-In Caregiver? It had some basic information as a starting point. If I were serious about trying to evict a live in caregiver for a legally blind tenant, I would pay my lawyer for advice on this one. --75.67.xxx.xxx




Unwelcome guest (by JamesD [CO]) Posted on: Dec 6, 2022 11:33 AM
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The 'care-giver' is our tenant's friend who is helping her in exchange for a place to stay. She's not officially assigned care-give for our tenant. --73.153.xxx.xx




Unwelcome guest (by don [PA]) Posted on: Dec 6, 2022 3:34 PM
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You have a blind tenant who has been paying rent, and her friend is staying in a spare bedroom to help her after surgery. Could be considered a medical necessity and you will also have possible difficulty establishing that the friend actually resides there.

In any case, legalities aside (and when it comes to helping tenants, in my town's l-t court legalities are often put aside!) you are not presenting a sympathetic case to a judge.

If you wanted to proceed, you would file a l-t case based on breech of the lease clause governing guest. --73.141.xxx.xxx




Unwelcome guest (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Dec 6, 2022 8:40 PM
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The minute you go into court that "friend" becomes a "caregiver" so get over the fact that it's a friend and just assume it's a caregiver. Odds are the caregiver can't pay rent, but I'd ask the lawyer if there's a way to have her sign a legal document saying the caregiver is there to provide care, and doesn't live there. Or get her to sign whatever document your lawyer can produce that would help you get rid of the caregiver if she stayed after the blind tenant left. That's what you need to worry about, not staying in home while rent being paid. --108.69.xxx.xxx




Unwelcome guest (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Dec 7, 2022 10:13 AM
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Why do you want the caregiver out? has she done something wrong or just your ego wants to remind everyone who is in charge? personally if it were my place i could care less if it is not causing me or my house any problems --74.77.xx.xx




Unwelcome guest (by don [PA]) Posted on: Dec 7, 2022 11:18 AM
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Ken--I think most landlords would take your/our view, esp. considering the unit has a spare bedroom. Just because you can do something does not mean you should. Maybe this landlord is successful and gets the caregiver out. I am sure that the relationship with the tenant will be fractured. The next time there is some maintenance issue, I am sure she will be quicker to complain to the city/withhold rent/ make sure the landlord toes the line. --73.141.xxx.xxx




Unwelcome guest (by MG [NJ]) Posted on: Dec 8, 2022 7:33 AM
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If I would approve them together than it wouldn't bother me. --71.187.xx.x




Unwelcome guest (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Dec 9, 2022 12:06 PM
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I pick good tenants in the first place, make it known if someone 'extra' shows up, that person had better be well-behaved, or they will all be out. I figure, if I don't let tenants help out family and friends when they ( fam/ fri) are 'in a spot', who is going to help my tenant when my tenant needs help. Mine are 'C' sfh properties in a tough city. I remind tenants that they are in charge of the household, responsible for whom they bring in.

I have gotten the call to please come change locks, I threw them out, and I'll pay all costs of changing locks ( I think that tenant even added a tip, if I recall...) So, tenants can step up to managing their long term guests.

But, that wasn't what you are asking.

I would say, forget for a minute, about any disabilities, what would you be doing? That would be how you should proceed. AND, be prepared to be made into a test case. I probably would not do anything only with advice of a lawyer, as the current housing shortage and that there IS a full second bedroom, AND that tenant needs assistance from time to time....

Unless that second person is really bad, I, personally would be relieved that a person with major disabilities has a companion. Especially sight. In my city's class on bedbugs, the person teaching said the worst infestation was at an apartment with two blind roommates, neither was allergic to bedbugs, so they had no clue until the smell got bad. Ugh! That had to be a lot of bedbugs! --70.92.xxx.xxx




Unwelcome guest (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Dec 9, 2022 12:08 PM
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I pick good tenants in the first place, make it known if someone 'extra' shows up, that person had better be well-behaved, or they will all be out. I figure, if I don't let tenants help out family and friends when they ( fam/ fri) are 'in a spot', who is going to help my tenant when my tenant needs help. Mine are 'C' sfh properties in a tough city. I remind tenants that they are in charge of the household, responsible for whom they bring in.

I have gotten the call to please come change locks, I threw them out, and I'll pay all costs of changing locks ( I think that tenant even added a tip, if I recall...) So, tenants can step up to managing their long term guests.

But, that wasn't what you are asking.

I would say, forget for a minute, about any disabilities, what would you be doing? That would be how you should proceed. AND, be prepared to be made into a test case. I probably would not do anything only with advice of a lawyer, as the current housing shortage and that there IS a full second bedroom, AND that tenant needs assistance from time to time....

Unless that second person is really bad, I, personally would be relieved that a person with major disabilities has a companion. Especially sight. In my city's class on bedbugs, the person teaching said the worst infestation was at an apartment with two blind roommates, neither was allergic to bedbugs, so they had no clue until the smell got bad. Ugh! That had to be a lot of bedbugs! --70.92.xxx.xxx




Unwelcome guest (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Dec 9, 2022 12:08 PM
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Oops, sorry about that, --70.92.xxx.xxx



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