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children Q (by small potatoes [NY]) Nov 22, 2022 9:30 PM
       children Q (by plenty [MO]) Nov 22, 2022 11:19 PM
       children Q (by plenty [MO]) Nov 22, 2022 11:19 PM
       children Q (by Libi [NY]) Nov 22, 2022 11:30 PM
       children Q (by Jim in O C [CA]) Nov 23, 2022 1:07 AM
       children Q (by Robert J [CA]) Nov 23, 2022 1:19 AM
       children Q (by Bonanza [NC]) Nov 23, 2022 4:39 AM
       children Q (by Bonanza [NC]) Nov 23, 2022 4:40 AM
       children Q (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Nov 23, 2022 4:57 AM
       children Q (by small potatoes [NY]) Nov 23, 2022 8:46 AM
       children Q (by WMH [NC]) Nov 23, 2022 9:46 AM
       children Q (by MikeA [TX]) Nov 23, 2022 10:54 AM
       children Q (by Robert J [CA]) Nov 24, 2022 9:40 AM

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children Q (by small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Nov 22, 2022 9:30 PM

In a recent thread there was discussion about a tenant moving extra people that were the adult child of the tenant and they had lived there before but were moving back as adults. It is my understanding that you cannot disallow the parent to have their children living with them but does this end when the kids become adults? Wouldn't be any different if adult child moved mom in either?

children Q (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Nov 22, 2022 11:19 PM

Do thru claim these "people" child on their income tax papers as dependents? --172.56.xx.xx

children Q (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Nov 22, 2022 11:19 PM

Do they claim these "people" child on their income tax papers as dependents? --172.56.xx.xx

children Q (by Libi [NY]) Posted on: Nov 22, 2022 11:30 PM

In NY immediate family members can move in.

In my understanding the only limit we can use: property size.

I will refer to a fire or health code and tell them “no more than 3 people for one bedroom apartment”.

children Q (by Jim in O C [CA]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2022 1:07 AM

Children yes adults no.

children Q (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2022 1:19 AM

I have been to "Housing Court" on this subject. I had a couple with three children move into an apartment. Nice people. She was a nurse working and going to school to get her license. He worked for an auto dealership as a mechanic. One day while working in the bathroom I noticed multiple bunk beds that beside the parents queen bedroom set, the bunk beds could provide for 8 children.

Each of the parents, husband and wife, were married before and had 2 plus 3 more children. So there were 5 extra kids besides the 3 that applied to live there. My rules are aliened with FHA standards, 5 people for a 2 bedroom, and they were now 10 people -- double than what was on the lease.


I had another case where a young collage student rented an no bedroom apartment. Soon she got pregnant and popped out 5 kids over 4.5 years. Then moves in the baby's father. So now there are 7 people living in a no bedroom apartment. Housing said it's my fault that I allowed this to happen. I told them of the rule, any dependent child could not be evicted. So they said, "Then evict the father" since he wasn't on the lease. I offered them either a 1 bedroom or a 2 bedroom. She said she would take it but at the same rent. Now way!

So in my Housing case, I provided these facts and asked for their help. They said, they are there NOT TO HELP THE LANDLORD, only to fine him.

So I sued both the married couple with 5 kids from their previous marriages and the girl with 5 kinds in no bedroom unit. I sued them in small claims court for fraud. The judge was not going to rule in my favor, but he asked what should they do with their extra kids. I said, "Let me adopt a few of them. They have to be toilet trained and not talk back, so between the ages of 4 to 10". They thought I was serious. They said that there wouldn't do that. So I said, Your not watching half of your kids most of the time, so if they go missing, who's to say it was me!

They got scared and one of them moved....thinking I was serious. The other one, once the wife got her nursing license, she took an apartment across the hall for herself. That's until the kids learn to clean up after themselves and cook / do the laundry. --47.156.xx.xx

children Q (by Bonanza [NC]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2022 4:39 AM

It depends on weight.

How Long to Roast a small child:

4 to 8 pounds (breast only): 1 1/2 to 3 1/4 hours.

8 to 12 pounds: 2 3/4 to 3 hours.

12 to 14 pounds: 3 to 3 3/4 hours.

14 to 18 pounds: 3 3/4 to 4 1/4 hours.

18 to 20 pounds: 4 1/4 to 4 1/2 hours.

20 to 24 pounds: 4 1/2 to 5 hours.

Sorry I couldn't resist. HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

children Q (by Bonanza [NC]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2022 4:40 AM

I used to tell my kid I was just fattening her up for Thanksgiving. Probably explains the therapy bills as an adult.

children Q (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2022 4:57 AM

What can happen is the tenants move out then left wlith the adult children who have avoided a thorough credit check on all adults then will wind up evicting the adult children where not only rent arrears but also a completely trashed rental unit or rental home. Make sure under no circumstances there is no over crowding. Like most jurisdictions rental housing is difficult to find along with supply is very limited where those who have been evicted we not be able to go back into the private sector rental housing market. It is almost like in movie where the bad people are holed somewhere until things cool down where judgements along with unpaid utilility bills are still there. See if it possible to run a credit check on all adults if can not evict for over crowding. If over crowding will have to give notice to correct or face the results.

children Q (by small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2022 8:46 AM

Libi, Robert J you have confirmed what I have always been told. Robert, perhaps in a different JD a fire safety/ code authority would see things differently. There is always some interest after a tragic fire, but then the housing rights crowd musters up.

children Q (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2022 9:46 AM

We have people who WANT to cram 10 people in a no-bedroom...but occupancy codes are driven by septic and size.

This is important to me because we have so many tiny places!

I go by this: to be a bedroom, a room must have two points of egress, must be at least 70 square feet for one person or 100 square feet for two - and kitchen, halls and bathrooms do not count towards square footage. Yesteryear's 8x10 bedrooms only qualify for 1 person max.

These were the rules given to us when we were considering a move in Senior Assisted Living. We quickly found out that occupancy rules would forbit many older homes with smaller bedrooms being used as a facility. So if we can't do it to MAKE money, we won't do it to SAVE SOMEONE ELSE money.

children Q (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2022 10:54 AM

According to the HUD guides for section 8, adult children may not move in after the initial contract except as a caregiver for an aging parent. Given that, I don't see how it would be against the law to not allow adult children to move back in with their parents at non-section 8 housing.

children Q (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Nov 24, 2022 9:40 AM

small potatoes [NY], you reminded me of the solution I had with the single college student that turned out renting a no-bedroom apartment then having 5 kids and a baby's daddy move in.

Yes, I finally got a head Fire Marshall to inspect my building's all 16 units. So that this wouldn't be a person vendetta on my part. He found in a small 300 square foot apartment, with a Kitchen, bathroom, an open concept closet and a living room with 2 adults and 5 children. Unacceptable. He wrote up a violation with my name (no big deal), the mothers name and the Baby daddy's name. He was an illegal and then ran away in hiding (mommy's apartment down the block).

Social service was alerted. I had to go to a hearing for not doing anything about it. But I was able to prove I had in the last year a 1 bedroom and a 2 bedroom that I offered to her, with just a slight rent increase over her no-bedroom unit. She was paying $350 per month and I offered her the 1 bedroom for $500 per month or the 2 bedroom for $650 per month. The going rate at that time was $695 for a 1 bedroom and $800 for a 2 bedroom But she wrote me back that she would that either of those units, but at the same price she is paying currently, the $385. So the Housing Department, Children's Services and Rent Stabilization took me out of he equation and pressed forward with the mother.

I had to give them dirt on her. That she could afford to buy a car for her baby's daddy who worked under the table and kept his salary for himself, never paying taxes. And the mom was on welfare, the wick program and was getting aid, saying the dad's of the kids wasn't in the picture.. A lie.

She had to either shift the children to her mom. At this apartment she only could have 2 children.

So I remember this is one reason I installed a video system with 6 camera's and it was on sale at Home Depot for $295.

This way I could prove every night she had all 5 kids with her. In time she moved and I found the baby's daddy living in the unit. I evicted him, he was not one the lease and didn't pay rent.

I'm getting old, forgetting details....I'm at the point that I see an x-tenant on the street and i don't remember who they were or which property they lived at. They asked me if I have a vacancy. Then i remember they moved out 5 years ago and didn't pay last months rent....So I still have half of my marbles left. --47.156.xx.xx

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