In a recent thread there was discussion about a tenant moving extra people that were the adult child of the tenant and they had lived there before but were moving back as adults. It is my understanding that you cannot disallow the parent to have their children living with them but does this end when the kids become adults? Wouldn't be any different if adult child moved mom in either?

In NY immediate family members can move in.

In my understanding the only limit we can use: property size.

I have been to "Housing Court" on this subject. I had a couple with three children move into an apartment. Nice people. She was a nurse working and going to school to get her license. He worked for an auto dealership as a mechanic. One day while working in the bathroom I noticed multiple bunk beds that beside the parents queen bedroom set, the bunk beds could provide for 8 children.

Each of the parents, husband and wife, were married before and had 2 plus 3 more children. So there were 5 extra kids besides the 3 that applied to live there. My rules are aliened with FHA standards, 5 people for a 2 bedroom, and they were now 10 people -- double than what was on the lease.

The Rule here in my City/State, ANY DEPENDANT CHILD IS ALLOUD TO MOVE IN WITH ANY PARENT!

I had another case where a young collage student rented an no bedroom apartment. Soon she got pregnant and popped out 5 kids over 4.5 years. Then moves in the baby's father. So now there are 7 people living in a no bedroom apartment. Housing said it's my fault that I allowed this to happen. I told them of the rule, any dependent child could not be evicted. So they said, "Then evict the father" since he wasn't on the lease. I offered them either a 1 bedroom or a 2 bedroom. She said she would take it but at the same rent. Now way!

So in my Housing case, I provided these facts and asked for their help. They said, they are there NOT TO HELP THE LANDLORD, only to fine him.

So I sued both the married couple with 5 kids from their previous marriages and the girl with 5 kinds in no bedroom unit. I sued them in small claims court for fraud. The judge was not going to rule in my favor, but he asked what should they do with their extra kids. I said, "Let me adopt a few of them. They have to be toilet trained and not talk back, so between the ages of 4 to 10". They thought I was serious. They said that there wouldn't do that. So I said, Your not watching half of your kids most of the time, so if they go missing, who's to say it was me!

It depends on weight.

How Long to Roast a small child:

4 to 8 pounds (breast only): 1 1/2 to 3 1/4 hours.

8 to 12 pounds: 2 3/4 to 3 hours.

12 to 14 pounds: 3 to 3 3/4 hours.

14 to 18 pounds: 3 3/4 to 4 1/4 hours.

18 to 20 pounds: 4 1/4 to 4 1/2 hours.

20 to 24 pounds: 4 1/2 to 5 hours.

We have people who WANT to cram 10 people in a no-bedroom...but occupancy codes are driven by septic and size.

This is important to me because we have so many tiny places!

I go by this: to be a bedroom, a room must have two points of egress, must be at least 70 square feet for one person or 100 square feet for two - and kitchen, halls and bathrooms do not count towards square footage. Yesteryear's 8x10 bedrooms only qualify for 1 person max.

small potatoes [NY], you reminded me of the solution I had with the single college student that turned out renting a no-bedroom apartment then having 5 kids and a baby's daddy move in.

Yes, I finally got a head Fire Marshall to inspect my building's all 16 units. So that this wouldn't be a person vendetta on my part. He found in a small 300 square foot apartment, with a Kitchen, bathroom, an open concept closet and a living room with 2 adults and 5 children. Unacceptable. He wrote up a violation with my name (no big deal), the mothers name and the Baby daddy's name. He was an illegal and then ran away in hiding (mommy's apartment down the block).

Social service was alerted. I had to go to a hearing for not doing anything about it. But I was able to prove I had in the last year a 1 bedroom and a 2 bedroom that I offered to her, with just a slight rent increase over her no-bedroom unit. She was paying $350 per month and I offered her the 1 bedroom for $500 per month or the 2 bedroom for $650 per month. The going rate at that time was $695 for a 1 bedroom and $800 for a 2 bedroom But she wrote me back that she would that either of those units, but at the same price she is paying currently, the $385. So the Housing Department, Children's Services and Rent Stabilization took me out of he equation and pressed forward with the mother.

I had to give them dirt on her. That she could afford to buy a car for her baby's daddy who worked under the table and kept his salary for himself, never paying taxes. And the mom was on welfare, the wick program and was getting aid, saying the dad's of the kids wasn't in the picture.. A lie.

She had to either shift the children to her mom. At this apartment she only could have 2 children.

So I remember this is one reason I installed a video system with 6 camera's and it was on sale at Home Depot for $295.

This way I could prove every night she had all 5 kids with her. In time she moved and I found the baby's daddy living in the unit. I evicted him, he was not one the lease and didn't pay rent.