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Non renewal timeline (by Susan [FL]) Nov 22, 2022 9:42 AM
       Non renewal timeline (by Vee [OH]) Nov 22, 2022 10:04 AM
       Non renewal timeline (by Scott [IN]) Nov 22, 2022 11:13 AM
       Non renewal timeline (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Nov 22, 2022 11:15 AM
       Non renewal timeline (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Nov 22, 2022 11:43 AM
       Non renewal timeline (by Susan [FL]) Nov 22, 2022 1:21 PM
       Non renewal timeline (by Susan [FL]) Nov 22, 2022 1:21 PM
       Non renewal timeline (by myob [GA]) Nov 22, 2022 2:12 PM
       Non renewal timeline (by Robert J [CA]) Nov 22, 2022 6:35 PM
       Non renewal timeline (by Scott [IN]) Nov 23, 2022 11:20 AM
       Non renewal timeline (by Susan [FL]) Nov 23, 2022 1:27 PM
       Non renewal timeline (by myob [GA]) Nov 23, 2022 5:22 PM
       Non renewal timeline (by Susan [FL]) Nov 24, 2022 10:17 AM
       Non renewal timeline (by MC [PA]) Nov 25, 2022 8:23 AM
       Non renewal timeline (by myob [GA]) Nov 25, 2022 1:06 PM

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Non renewal timeline (by Susan [FL]) Posted on: Nov 22, 2022 9:42 AM
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I recently had a rental re piped. I am not a stranger to this property but a major undertaking like this, I go deep into the house. Well this revealed the house is just not being taken care of, like the front storm door stays open, and now it's sagging. Weeds which are suppose to be taken care of by tenant are not. There are potential fire risks, a pile of plastic and molded bread next to an active toaster. Shelving in the closets are broken. Arched shower rods broken in a recently re tiled bathroom. This year I also put in a new central AC because it needed it. The roof is new. As the lease comes up for renewal in Jan we had a verbal ok but the lease has not been presented or signed. With my new knowledge about the continued degrading conditions, I do not want to renew with these tenants. But I am under 60 days. Do I have options?

I have read the Fl statues, but it does not address it from the landlord's side excpet for evictions. The longer they stay the worse it gets. --142.196.xxx.xx




Non renewal timeline (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Nov 22, 2022 10:04 AM
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If you are the owner/manager you are not handling this property very well, prolly best to resign and/or sell. A active manager would be getting damage repair estimates and adding this to the next rent cycle - the owner will never recover enough funds to repair from poorly managed property. --76.190.xxx.xxx




Non renewal timeline (by Scott [IN]) Posted on: Nov 22, 2022 11:13 AM
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How do you know new tenants will be any better than those you have now? --107.141.xx.xxx




Non renewal timeline (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Nov 22, 2022 11:15 AM
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Probably January isn't a bad time for a vacancy in Florida? If you want them out, give the 60 day notice and they get a month of month to month rental at the end of their lease. --76.178.xxx.xxx




Non renewal timeline (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Nov 22, 2022 11:43 AM
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Damages other wear tear tenant should pay for as that is normal wear and tear. If the tenant has to pay for damages then they may leave. Most jurisdictions have really low vacancy rates where it is not difficult to find tenants with good credit scores. Another option is tell the tenant major renovations are required then need vacant possesion to do the renovations where going to renovate bathroom, kitchen. I remember the time when a tenant wanted a lower rental unit which was in good condtion where he completely trashed out the rental unit he was living in where told him $900 CDN dollars where he was not intereste in paying more rent then he moved out to one illegal apartments in houses. Consder raising rent a hundred or more so he leave. It is called economic eviction where it is common in the rental housing industry. I remember the time in the apartment building under rent control went for above guideline rent increases where fixed all vandalism in the apartment like installing a steel fire door where he got drunk then his wife locked him out along with broke glass in balcony door where fixed all vandalism in the building along have done a lot renovations where one January the five rental units who keep apealing rent increases moved out then never heard a complaint about rent again. On the one hand the tenant who wanted a nice apartment calling you a slumloard while on the other hand do not want two slum apartments where in six months the nice apartment would be in same condition as the apartment he completely trashed out. --68.69.xxx.xxx




Non renewal timeline (by Susan [FL]) Posted on: Nov 22, 2022 1:21 PM
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Thank you Robert in On.

Major renovations is brillant. It's not like when doing inspections you go through closets and see broken shelving. It 's only when you are doing a major repair like re-pipe that you start seeing things that you wouldn't ordinarly see. Thank you so much, you see the situation clearly. --142.196.xxx.xx




Non renewal timeline (by Susan [FL]) Posted on: Nov 22, 2022 1:21 PM
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Thank you Robert in On.

Major renovations is brillant. It's not like when doing inspections you go through closets and see broken shelving. It 's only when you are doing a major repair like re-pipe that you start seeing things that you wouldn't ordinarly see. Thank you so much, you see the situation clearly. --142.196.xxx.xx




Non renewal timeline (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Nov 22, 2022 2:12 PM
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not sure about FL but if they're on a lease and it's getting close to ending-- don't you just need 30 days notice that lease is over? If the lease is M2M maybe that requires 60 days.

I would give the notice now that the lease is not renewing.

We have decided to go in a different direction.

Scott how she knows is by learning the lesson taught here-- check um out, check um out and then check um again. With some rehab you could up your +flow by 50%. Your in FL the hotest market in the country. get the biggest deposit allowed by law. --108.239.xx.xx




Non renewal timeline (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Nov 22, 2022 6:35 PM
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If you tell you 15 year old son that in order for him to get an allowance he has to mow the lawn, you will have weeds 10 feet tall! The same is for your tenant. You never allow a tenant to do a maintenance task, you hire a gardener and charge extra rent for the service!

As a contractor and an assistant manager for other landlords I was doing a plumbing job, also re-piping a single family house with a granny-flats rental unit.

I found under the house in the crawl space several 5 metal cans filled with gasoline. The cans were not designed for holding combustible flammable liquids. The main house tenant rented out the granny-flats unit to an old college buddy who drives a motorcycle and doesn't like getting gas at a station.

I did not contact the owner, but gave the main tenant a

3-Day Notice to Perform or Quit! Remove the cans with gasoline from the property. Then I contacted the owner and sent him pictures. He thought I was over dramatizing the situation. The owner voided out my notice and gave the tenants more time to resolve the stored gasoline.

Then months later while the tenant was transferring gas from a can to his motorcycle, an ignition flash occurred, due to smoking, and the tenant was hurt.

Because the owner was aware of the gasoline on the property, and did nothing to rectify it, the home owners insurance had to pay all medical bills, sink graphs and damage to the motorcycle. Plus lost wages and couldn't evict the tenants who by now weren't paying rent. --47.156.xx.xx




Non renewal timeline (by Scott [IN]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2022 11:20 AM
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myob, I know that, and you know that, but Susan has not given any indication that she knows that. It's why I asked her the question.

Susan, you are laser focused on blaming the tenants who don't take care of your house. You should be giving more consideration to how and why the situation got that way. You put bad tenants in that house. What steps will you take to prevent a repetition of that mistake?

I apologize if I seem condescending, but this is possibly the most important thing that any landlord needs to know. --107.141.xx.xxx




Non renewal timeline (by Susan [FL]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2022 1:27 PM
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Scott (IN) You don't really know what you got until you have them, regardless of the filters you put in place. Things change, sometimes.

It didn't start out this way, I did my due diligence with background checks, criminal, prior evict and credit. For god sake the tenant is a commercial airline pilot. We had an excellent relationship, check always early. No problems ever.

Things went south after his part time custody son became full time live in, now a young adult, no driver's license, no high school diploma, no job, sleeps all day, plays video games all night. Dad is gone several days at a whack flying the friendly skies. And an extreme case of enabling the "poor son."

It is a situation that morphed. And actually if this was my son, I'd be drinking too. But if it was my son, his butt would be working or sleeping somewhere else.

The bottom line in this story is: You can not break the enabling illness.

On scheduled inspections or repairs, usually I am not micro inspecting inside closets, and behind bathroom shower curtains. In a major re-pipe, such as the case, you see things you normally do not witness because you are deep in the house. ( Giant foot prints on the wall in front of the commode in son's bathroom, when I addressed it, he said he saw a YouTube on constipation and it was suggested that would help. I told him obviously he missed part two that demonstrated how to clean off the foot prints, and had him do it before I left. Dad didn't think it was a big deal)

I am serving a notice of non renewal this week due to breach of agreement and neglect. And already have a better fit tenant in the cue. Thank you On, because you get it- your suggestion was brilliant.

My question posed was: I am less than 60 for notice- what are my options. --142.196.xxx.xx




Non renewal timeline (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2022 5:22 PM
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Susan I get it-- you have a pilot who is for sure collectable if FL allows.

I did ask earlier-- is there an end date (lease end) or is this a M2M? You need to know FL law for lease end. maybe there's a FL LL'd here?

By the Way-- where is the pilots company based? I can tell you years ago we have a flight attendant who was based in NJ but lived in GA. We didn't think we had a chance in heck of getting our money-- we served them in NJ (Newark) and next thing you know were getting garnishment $. --108.239.xx.xx




Non renewal timeline (by Susan [FL]) Posted on: Nov 24, 2022 10:17 AM
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Myob GA. This is annual rent, he is finishing third year renewal. Renews Jan.Bases Orlando.I have my Fl statues for rental in place. It is vague on landlord's end for timeline for non renewing.

In my lease I have tenants must give 60 for notification of renewal or termination of annual lease.

Since he has allowed son to morph into permanent resident, to which all this chaos is stemming from, and son is now 20. Still minor. I think I'm just going to serve non renewal due to not holding his end up of agreement. The agreement is not, you Only have to pay rent. You also must abid by what you agreed to do to keep the place from becoming a neglected / liability. He is not in the rears w rent. Thanks for input --142.196.xxx.xx




Non renewal timeline (by MC [PA]) Posted on: Nov 25, 2022 8:23 AM
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20 is not a minor. --73.230.xxx.xx




Non renewal timeline (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Nov 25, 2022 1:06 PM
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Susan my opinion is if your have tenant give 60 days notice you as the LL should do the same. Why not just say the lease end date is January and we are not renewing? Then around the 22nd of December send the condition of premises letter to them. We also send a copy of the move in condition they signed when they signed the lease.

It is funny how many LL's say-- it's not only about rent $. It's the whole package 100%. --108.239.xx.xx



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