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Smoking outside? (by MAT [PA]) Nov 20, 2022 4:40 PM
       Smoking outside? (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Nov 20, 2022 4:52 PM
       Smoking outside? (by Frank [NJ]) Nov 20, 2022 4:58 PM
       Smoking outside? (by WMH [NC]) Nov 20, 2022 5:06 PM
       Smoking outside? (by Jason [VA]) Nov 20, 2022 5:07 PM
       Smoking outside? (by Homer [TX]) Nov 20, 2022 5:37 PM
       Smoking outside? (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Nov 20, 2022 5:45 PM
       Smoking outside? (by Ken [NY]) Nov 20, 2022 5:51 PM
       Smoking outside? (by C&J [CO]) Nov 20, 2022 6:43 PM
       Smoking outside? (by Dave [MO]) Nov 20, 2022 7:16 PM
       Smoking outside? (by Vee [OH]) Nov 20, 2022 7:56 PM
       Smoking outside? (by Robert J [CA]) Nov 20, 2022 7:57 PM
       Smoking outside? (by Jim in O C [CA]) Nov 20, 2022 8:01 PM
       Smoking outside? (by Dee Ann [WI]) Nov 20, 2022 8:46 PM
       Smoking outside? (by Wilma [PA]) Nov 20, 2022 9:57 PM
       Smoking outside? (by Chris [VA]) Nov 20, 2022 10:44 PM
       Smoking outside? (by plenty [MO]) Nov 20, 2022 10:55 PM
       Smoking outside? (by W [CA]) Nov 20, 2022 11:01 PM
       Smoking outside? (by Jasper [OH]) Nov 21, 2022 7:43 AM
       Smoking outside? (by Kim [TX]) Nov 21, 2022 11:27 AM
       Smoking outside? (by MAT [PA]) Nov 21, 2022 5:54 PM
       Smoking outside? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Nov 21, 2022 10:22 PM
       Smoking outside? (by MG [NJ]) Nov 22, 2022 8:37 AM
       Smoking outside? (by Pmh [TX]) Nov 25, 2022 2:11 PM
       Smoking outside? (by mike [CA]) Nov 30, 2022 10:17 AM

Smoking outside? (by MAT [PA]) Posted on: Nov 20, 2022 4:40 PM

An applicant this weekend confirmed he smokes, and claims that he only smokes outside. I'm actually inclined to believe him, as everything else we talked about during our showing checked out. The income, credit, and background checks all look good. I'm OK with someone who smokes outside on a covered deck, but I have zero tolerance for smoking in the building. What do y'all think? Good idea or bad idea? --173.49.xx.xx

Smoking outside? (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Nov 20, 2022 4:52 PM

Yesterday morning when I got up it was 12 degrees outside. Sorry, but I am not going to believe that any smoker is going to go sit outside to smoke their cigarette when it is 12 degrees outside.

Smoking outside? (by Frank [NJ]) Posted on: Nov 20, 2022 4:58 PM

If that's what you WANT to believe....

Smoking outside? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Nov 20, 2022 5:06 PM

One of my sons still smokes (GRRRRR!) and he's been in his house since 2002 - you'd never know it because he DOES only smoke outside as his wife and daughters HATE it. House is pristine inside. But he has a covered deck and that is his smoking space. When he visits us, he sits on our deck. He has friends who smoke and they sit in their garage. So it is possible.

I have a few older tenants who do smoke and only outside. But we live in NC - it's warmer here.

Nowadays we don't accept smokers.

Smoking outside? (by Jason [VA]) Posted on: Nov 20, 2022 5:07 PM

After thousands upon thousands of database entries logged from my pre-screening questionnaire, only a fraction of one percent of smokers admit to smoking inside. I don't even give smokers a showing regardless if it's "outside only".

Smoking outside? (by Homer [TX]) Posted on: Nov 20, 2022 5:37 PM

20 year landlord here. I too once believed people

When they told me they only smoke outside. Too many houses stunk up when it turns out, they smoke inside too. Even knocked on a tenants door once and she came to the door with a cig in her mouth. No more for me. One reason I prefer to show a house in person. The nasty smell is very easy to pick up on, even if they arenít heavy smokers.

Smoking outside? (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Nov 20, 2022 5:45 PM

Eventually they quit smoking where they die. Here doctors will help with prescriptions to help quit smoking. Not only smoking is bad for health but also is a million dollar habit where if took every week then invested in mutual funds then over period that would add up to million dollars. Are there sprinklers in the rental units where one most common causes for fires is careless smoking. Better to find a non smoker as what they say before they move in then once they move in is a different reality. Count on completely repainting rentsl unit once they move out. Compared to homeowners who save for down payment tenants have lower education level along with being more likely to smoke. It is only tqke one lit cigarette to cause major damage to rental complex. Here there are one or two deaths where rental unit is completely burned out where one apartment building a fire in a rental unit caused over million dollars worth of damage. Larger builiding have concrete floors along with brick block construction. Smoke damage along with damage to wiring can be extensive.

Smoking outside? (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Nov 20, 2022 5:51 PM

Go do a 2 minute in home inspection,you will know if he smokes inside pretty quickly --74.77.xx.xx

Smoking outside? (by C&J [CO]) Posted on: Nov 20, 2022 6:43 PM

If I had a nickel for every butt I picked up from the smokers who swore they would only smoke outside, (they smoked inside, too) I'd be retired now.

Don't rent to them.

Smoking outside? (by Dave [MO]) Posted on: Nov 20, 2022 7:16 PM

I once too, fell, for that line. I only smoke outside. When itís 12 degrees outside they smoke in the garage. I like Homer. I used to believe tenants.

Smoking outside? (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Nov 20, 2022 7:56 PM

This is a bit of hoo-haa smoking outside, do the in-home inspection Ken and others mentioned and you will see they smoke meat outdoors, look for ashtrays in the sink and other places.

Smoking outside? (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Nov 20, 2022 7:57 PM

I had two of my professional painting contractors give me a separate estimate to deal with an interior of a 1 BEDROOM apartment with a smoker who only stayed 1 year -- the duration of the lease.

The painters estimate to prep the wall and ceilings listed:

1) Lay plastic disposable sheeting to protect all flooring.

2) Wash all surfaces to be painted with TSP.

3) Let washed areas dry.

4) Return a second day and prime all walls/ceilings with Smoke Eliminator &

Odor Blocking Primer.

This 4 step process is only necessary for a renter that had people smoke inside.

Cost of Supplies: 5 gallon special primer, plastic tarps, tape $250

Extra labor to clean and prime walls and ceiling due to smoker $450

Total Extra charges for a smoker to prep apartment to be repainted $700.

So when I rent an apartment to a smoker, I require 2 months security deposit as opposed to only 1 month deposit. And I charge the tenant the $700 painters charges for preparing the walls and $100 for lost rent for 2 days.

This is non-refundable taken out of the deposit -- tenant acknowledges and signs this extra lease clause.

It's either that, or the rent goes up $100 per month, for ever. --47.156.xx.xx

Smoking outside? (by Jim in O C [CA]) Posted on: Nov 20, 2022 8:01 PM

Even if you smoke outside the odor is on your clothes, hair and skin and you bring it inside? No smokers period.

Smoking outside? (by Dee Ann [WI]) Posted on: Nov 20, 2022 8:46 PM

I adamantly advertise and staunch believer in not renting to smokers. Here's my story.

One day I get the "I only smoke outside" call. We had a great phone conversation, and I promised to get back to her for an in person meet after receiving her application online. Secretly I was hoping to find someone who didn't smoke so I had another choice. But I hadn't met her yet, even tho I had spoken to her father, who she was temporarily living with until she found a place. Sounds like alot of red flags, and I had put her off going on two months. And she was patient. We met, and I must admit, didn't make any of it easy. I wanted to see if she could/would follow instructions ad also make it easy on me. (I learned long ago that I have trust issues.) After our meet, I had no doubt I would rent to her, if she liked the place once she saw it. She was low key, no drama gal, solid job. She loved the place and she moved in. My rules are no smoking on the property.

Fast forward two years to today. So far we've seen her smoking outside at least 4 times, 3X in the winter, and we're not over there often and don't mention we'll be there if we're pulling weeds or cleaning the A/C, or getting something out of our basement storage. We've been in her unit a few times for sewer cleaning toilet flushes, unit maintenance inspections and to put on a new faucet. Never have we ever smelled smoke in her unit, basement, hallway or outside because she smokes in her car or sitting on the curb or talking a walk. She's always tells us she loves her place and living there, and we can tell by how clean she keeps the place.

Your mileage many vary. --75.11.xx.xx

Smoking outside? (by Wilma [PA]) Posted on: Nov 20, 2022 9:57 PM

They will smoke outside until the weather is bad, then they will use the bathroom fan inside or smoke in the garage. Nothing like having to use Original Kilz in a garage on a hot July day after they move out, not to.mention scrubbing down the bathroom and replacing the formerly white plastic fan grill.

We specify no smoking/vaping anywhere on the property, period.

Smoking outside? (by Chris [VA]) Posted on: Nov 20, 2022 10:44 PM

Here's my trick question which I ask on first phone or text contact before showing the home:

"Do you smoke inside or outside?" If they answer yes to either of those options, they're done. We don't take smokers at all. Our lease does not allow smoking ANYWHERE, inside or outside, on the property.

And not only that, we don't only disallow smoking, but we don't take SMOKERS, even if they would only smoke a thousand miles away. We aggressively eliminate any smokers from our potential tenants list.

We don't even advertise the homes as "no smoking" because some applicants will try to deceive. Asking the question quickly at first contact makes it pretty easy to discover the truth.

Smoking outside? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Nov 20, 2022 10:55 PM

No smoking or vaping in the property. Repeat until understood. None. Na. No. --172.56.xx.xx

Smoking outside? (by W [CA]) Posted on: Nov 20, 2022 11:01 PM

Seems like most applicants in CA smoke weed, but don't consider that "smoking". It is "toking" . . . "Do you smoke? No" Then you find they are bongheads . . .

Smoking outside? (by Jasper [OH]) Posted on: Nov 21, 2022 7:43 AM

As Wilma said, smoking in the garage is as bad as smoking in the house. It takes original Kilz to get rid of the smell and possibly seal the garage floor, too. --71.28.xx.xx

Smoking outside? (by Kim [TX]) Posted on: Nov 21, 2022 11:27 AM

My husband and I DO only smoke outside. When the weather is bad, we talk about quitting again, but we do NOT smoke inside our house. Of course, we own it, which makes a difference. The other bad thing about smoking tenants however, is if they do smoke outside, they tend to drop butts everywhere.

Smoking outside? (by MAT [PA]) Posted on: Nov 21, 2022 5:54 PM

Thank you for all of the replies. While it sounds like there are a few success stories, the odds seem pretty low.

Smoking outside? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Nov 21, 2022 10:22 PM

I wouldn't say that MAT.

If you have a class C place and the person seems like a good ol' boy types....maybe it will be alright. If he is wearing a Getter Done T-Shirt...maybe not

Smoking outside? (by MG [NJ]) Posted on: Nov 22, 2022 8:37 AM

Most of mine stuck with outside. --71.187.xx.x

Smoking outside? (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Nov 25, 2022 2:11 PM

I donít rent to smokers. that is part of my selling pitch. my renters donít want to live in houses that have been smoked in. will they have friends who smoke. sure. they can smoke outside. my contracts state any smoking inside is automatically violation & immediate cause for eviction. --107.127.x.xx

Smoking outside? (by mike [CA]) Posted on: Nov 30, 2022 10:17 AM

there is a BIG difference between smoking dope and cigarettes. the cig's make the place stink like a giant box of feet and ace and require extensive steps to remediate. the dope is way less so but the costs of both are always too great for me to tolerate. years ago i had a bunch of pot smokers bothering the neighbors with their dope smoke since they liked to smoke on the patio. i told them they needed to knock it off and enjoy their dope in the garage. cigarette burns are unrepairable...the flooring must be replaced --75.80.xx.xx

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