LOOSE LAY kitchen floor? (by Chris [VA]) Nov 16, 2022 9:35 AM|
LOOSE LAY kitchen floor? (by small potatoes [NY]) Nov 16, 2022 10:26 AM
LOOSE LAY kitchen floor? (by Sisco [MO]) Nov 16, 2022 10:54 AM
LOOSE LAY kitchen floor? (by Chris [VA]) Nov 16, 2022 11:00 AM
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LOOSE LAY kitchen floor? (by Chris [VA]) Nov 16, 2022 11:49 AM
LOOSE LAY kitchen floor? (by Allym [NJ]) Nov 16, 2022 2:22 PM
LOOSE LAY kitchen floor? (by Dee Ann [WI]) Nov 16, 2022 9:04 PM
LOOSE LAY kitchen floor? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Nov 16, 2022 9:35 PM
LOOSE LAY kitchen floor? (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Nov 17, 2022 11:46 AM
LOOSE LAY kitchen floor? (by gevans [SC]) Nov 18, 2022 7:04 AM
LOOSE LAY kitchen floor? (by zero [IN]) Nov 23, 2022 8:39 AM
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LOOSE LAY kitchen floor? (by Chris [VA]) Posted on: Nov 16, 2022 9:35 AM
Our insurance is replacing a sheet vinyl kitchen floor due to water damage (from pin hole leak in wall - we just replaced all the plumbing with pex).
Should a "loose lay" installation even be considered for a kitchen with high traffic? I'm guessing that it probably shouldn't, but I really have no idea.
This is sheet vinyl that is much different than the sheet vinyl we installed in that kitchen in 2005. These floors have more cushion, which has concerned us. But the new one has a 25-year warranty so maybe the cushioning is not a problem.
When tenants move in and out of this house, they must either come through the kitchen door on the vinyl floor, or through the living room door on the hardwood oak floor.
The new 25-year sheet vinyl warranty has this installation requirement: " ** Flooring must either be permanently installed using iG rip Permanent Adhesive for Sheet Vinyl or Loose Lay (no more than 25 square yards and no more than 1 seam)."
I think I remember that the old sheet vinyl floor being replaced was a standard glue installation. (2005 was a long time ago.)
So - I think we should probably go with adhesive, but would like to know if there's even any reason to consider a loose lay installation? --71.246.xxx.xxx
LOOSE LAY kitchen floor? (by small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Nov 16, 2022 10:26 AM
I would be wary of putting the soft floor in a kitchen. Since insurance is involved you should be able to spec a commercial floor product. The box stores don't seem to have this anymore that I have seen. I was helping a relative do an apt and they picked the soft floor. The contractor insisted on just doing edge glued method and the floor got ripples pretty soon. It was a rental and my relative left it alone. I walked away since I had no vested interest. I learned a lot from that experience about them and the contractor, lol. BTW, I have no idea how the floor held up but it seems like a flawed product for a kitchen. --24.194.xxx.xx
LOOSE LAY kitchen floor? (by Sisco [MO]) Posted on: Nov 16, 2022 10:54 AM
Loose lay can be ok.
Soft cushioned sounds like a bad choice for an area where appliances are being moved, and being loose lay, repairing is a no go. --149.76.xxx.x
LOOSE LAY kitchen floor? (by Chris [VA]) Posted on: Nov 16, 2022 11:00 AM
Wow, small potatoes; thank you. This confirms that we should definitely avoid loose lay vinyl installations and go with adhesives.
Our insurance will not allow a commercial floor, unfortunately. I saw that some Mannington 80 MIL cushioned sheet vinyl floors had 10-year warranties while 130 MIL cushioned ones in the same brand had lifetime warranties. But it seems to me that the ones with thicker cushions would be more vulnerable to damage such as dents or whatnot. The one we found that insurance will cover is 95 MIL.
It's been years since I've looked into sheet vinyl so the changes in the products were a surprise. --71.246.xxx.xxx
LOOSE LAY kitchen floor? (by Chris [VA]) Posted on: Nov 16, 2022 11:03 AM
We haven't found any sheet vinyl flooring without cushions. But the 95 MIL is thinner than most and does come with a 25-year warranty, but it still bothers me.... --71.246.xxx.xxx
LOOSE LAY kitchen floor? (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Nov 16, 2022 11:22 AM
Go with one of those luxury vinyl plank. You can get that in waterproof varieties and it looks better.
I love the easy care of sheet vinyl, but it is very unsuitable for rentals. I would get the rental back with long cuts in the middle of the floor. It's beyond me what the tenants were doing, but it was very common.
I suppose if it is for your own home that you are living in, you could take extra careful care of the sheet vinyl. It's tender and easily damaged. I remember my own aunt with her brand new floor that had a big dent in it because someone had dropped any item onto it. --76.178.xxx.xxx
LOOSE LAY kitchen floor? (by Chris [VA]) Posted on: Nov 16, 2022 11:49 AM
We've used luxury vinyl plank in a family room that was not visible from rooms with hardwood floors. But it would not look right in this kitchen with all of the hardwood that is right next to it. (And insurance will only do sheet vinyl anyway.)
I guess it depends on your tenants. We have sheet vinyl in four Class B SFH kitchens which all have hardwood floors right next to them. This one had been in for 17 years and was still in great shape and would have lasted many more years if not for the water damage. We've had four sets of tenants in that house since installing that floor in 2005.
The other homes with sheet vinyl kitchen floors are also holding up fine, with installations back to 2006 & 2007.
If we didn't have hardwood right next to the kitchens, we would have considered the vinyl planks. We do like it in the family room that is pretty far away from hardwood floors. --71.246.xxx.xxx
LOOSE LAY kitchen floor? (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Nov 16, 2022 2:22 PM
I am looking at 1950s style linoleum over battleship linoleum and it has only one tiny hold by the kitchen door to outside. --71.188.xx.xxx
LOOSE LAY kitchen floor? (by Dee Ann [WI]) Posted on: Nov 16, 2022 9:04 PM
Our sheet vinyl has held up for years as well. I'm particular about finding a pleasant pattern,but haven't been impressed with any I've seen lately. All ours have been full glue downs. We did use commercial grade in the hallways. The installer complained because it was so thick and difficult to install on a hot summer's day. But well worth it to take the roughness a hallway endures. What we really like about it is that it is smoother than any of the vinyl floors, therefore, easily cleaned, like the older linoleum floors we have in our bungalow hallways as Allym might be referring to.
Chris, is the 95mil also a Mannington? Do you have the name of the pattern? I'm still looking for a vinyl for a couple of our floors. It needs to be vinyl because the slope in the kitchen won't accommodate planks.
LOOSE LAY kitchen floor? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Nov 16, 2022 9:35 PM
No to any form of sheet flooring. Drop a knife, a hot pan lid, waysr gets in between the layers, kitchen chair feet make gouges, slide a refrig and make ripples...I stopped sheet goods YEARS ago.
And what does the ins care what you out down? They give you $XXX for the floor to use as you wish.
We use 15x15” marble look sticky tiles in a brick layout with extra glue. Hard, tough, look great, easy and fast install, easy to swap out a piece if damaged.
Lowes Castaway, start with SELF ADHESIVE PRIMER before a THIN layer of glue.
LOOSE LAY kitchen floor? (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Nov 17, 2022 11:46 AM
You do know that the luxury plank vinyl is available in a tile look? It doesn't all look like a wood floor. --76.178.xxx.xxx
LOOSE LAY kitchen floor? (by gevans [SC]) Posted on: Nov 18, 2022 7:04 AM
Like Brad said, what does the insurance company care about the type floor you lay? They will pay $XXX and you can add to that and put in a luxury floor if you like. --216.218.xxx.xx
LOOSE LAY kitchen floor? (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2022 8:39 AM
The warranty is just a recommendation in my opinion.
Once the manufacturer finds out it is a rental they probably won't give you anything anyhow. I stopped using sheet goods because of the repair issues. If you do it use a releasable adhesive. When you get the small rip or cut you can get a heat gun and roller to help hide it.
I stopped using 1x1 glue downs as well. Even with the extra adhesive I always get one or two that migrate a little. Looks bad, catches dirt, looks worse.
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