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food for thought (by small potatoes [NY]) Nov 15, 2022 9:28 PM
       food for thought (by Allym [NJ]) Nov 15, 2022 9:34 PM
       food for thought (by don [PA]) Nov 15, 2022 11:23 PM
       food for thought (by Dee Ann [WI]) Nov 16, 2022 12:26 AM
       food for thought (by Robert J [CA]) Nov 16, 2022 2:35 AM
       food for thought (by Mapleaf18 [NY]) Nov 16, 2022 3:42 AM
       food for thought (by Hoosier [IN]) Nov 16, 2022 5:36 AM
       food for thought (by myob [GA]) Nov 16, 2022 8:43 AM
       food for thought (by WMH [NC]) Nov 16, 2022 9:24 AM
       food for thought (by S i d [MO]) Nov 16, 2022 9:41 AM
       food for thought (by small potatoes [NY]) Nov 16, 2022 10:19 AM
       food for thought (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Nov 16, 2022 11:38 AM
       food for thought (by jonny [NY]) Nov 16, 2022 1:01 PM
       food for thought (by Wilma [PA]) Nov 16, 2022 1:16 PM
       food for thought (by MikeA [TX]) Nov 17, 2022 5:32 PM
       food for thought (by zero [IN]) Nov 23, 2022 9:04 AM

food for thought (by small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Nov 15, 2022 9:28 PM

I happened to be at 2 gas station/ convenience stores today and it occurred to me that the drug addicted lower class must generally live within walking distance of a Stewarts (here in NY) or other station. It seemed like the social hub as they come and go for cigs, beers, cop something on the side and scope things out. Most walk, some ride up on bicycles but i figure one could probably map this out and see the quality of housing and resident improve as the circle broadens. Just wondering if you own in what I'll call the convenience zone and can confirm this first hand, or have similar anecdotal experience.

food for thought (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Nov 15, 2022 9:34 PM

-Mine are all in the 1950s dream house area.

food for thought (by don [PA]) Posted on: Nov 15, 2022 11:23 PM

In South Philly we have corner stores that act as basically convenience stores but they are not open all night. years ago almost all needs were met through these mom and pop businesses. Today, we have supermarkets and other stores in shopping centers on the edge of South Philly. The lower classes, however, do not have cars to get there. For them, they have to get everything at the corner stores.

Another thing about the lower classes is that they do not buy in bulk because they do not want to put out the money and they will run through the supply quicker. For ex., some corner stores sell "loosies," or single cigarettes. Also, they will not go to a beer distributor (a Penna thing) and buy a case of beer. They will go to the corner deli every day and buy a few bottles. The corner stores also do well with lottery tickets and soft drinks.

food for thought (by Dee Ann [WI]) Posted on: Nov 16, 2022 12:26 AM

My handiman told me where he buys cigs, it is cheaper to buy the singles than a carton...sure enough, I drove him there one day and it was true! --75.11.xx.xx

food for thought (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Nov 16, 2022 2:35 AM

Yes, many of my apartment buildings are near to shopping, liquors stores that will accept my tenants Food Stamps or Milk vouchers for Cigarettes', Beer, Lotto Tickets, etc. --47.156.xx.xx

food for thought (by Mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: Nov 16, 2022 3:42 AM

Bodegas in Class D and below are common. Where I used to have rentals (and live-- inner city Rochester NY) there were bodegas everywhere. My kids wound beg me to go on their own but I would never let them due to afore mentioned crime.

My current rentals are in a small town but it is the county seat along with DSS. They have a Red Apple Kwik Fill gas/ convenience site, Aldi, Dollar store, chain pharmacy, Mcdonalds and are building a Dunkin and a Taco Bell/KFC

food for thought (by Hoosier [IN]) Posted on: Nov 16, 2022 5:36 AM

We had mostly B- units, and I know exactly what you mean! A few of ours were not so close to such stores, but most were. A Big Slurpee and a pack of Dolly Madison or Little Debbie donuts was a typical purchase Id see leaving some of the stores. 24 oz sodas more popular than 2 liters lol.

food for thought (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Nov 16, 2022 8:43 AM

here its home delivery but mainly they stand at the end of the driveway waiting for that next customer to come up.

A few years ago we witnessed where the drugs were coming from. The sellers had the drugs next door. Deals were done through a broken window in the garage door. The guy, when he had an order, would go out back run along the fence tot he house next door-- THEN come back and pass it. This way when they got raided no drugs on the premises. --108.239.xx.xx

food for thought (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Nov 16, 2022 9:24 AM

We don't have bodegas or convenience stores that act as a neighborhood hang-out but that's because of where we live. We DID have such things back in my childhood days in Massachusetts.

food for thought (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Nov 16, 2022 9:41 AM

Definitely see that here on the north side of town. We have Rapid Robert and Fast 'N Friendly. $5 gets you a large slice of pizza and a Big Gulp.

Actual grocery stores are rare. There's a couple of Wal-Mart Neighborhood Markets, but most places are way beyond walking distance.

One of the big problems frequently cited by anti-poverty advocates is the lack of grocery stores and decent food in lower class neighborhoods. I doubt the root of that problem is because grocery stores have no desire to make money: lower class money spends as well as middle and upper class money, and as noted above they tend to buy a lot of higher profit margin things like sweets, sodas, liquor and cigs. Rather, it's often the rampant crime and theft.

Sort of a sad, self-re-enforcing cycle. Poverty leads to crime, crime leads to most businesses fleeing those neighborhoods, which makes it cost more to live there, which leads to more poverty...

I don't know how you knock the poor mindset out of folks. Giving more money, more housing, more assistance, more education, etc doesn't seem to work.

"The Poor will be with you always..." Truer words on the topic have never been spoken.


food for thought (by small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Nov 16, 2022 10:19 AM

I guess I am distinguishing the convenience zone in a smaller/ medium city from the inner city bodega zone where whole neighborhoods are 'hoods'. Yes I remember those days too where the typical breakfast was 4 packages of cookies and a small colored drink in a plastic bottle, or a bag of chips and a coke. My friends family owned a bodega that was open all night and people 'shopped' through the plexiglass window. Thieves would walk up with anything and everything for sale. It is interesting that DG is getting into the fresh food game. I know of only one Aldi's that is in a rundown area, and it was supposed to move. All the others are in better off areas and are new or rebuilt.

food for thought (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Nov 16, 2022 11:38 AM

Trying to picture where the convenience stores are located. There aren't many stand alone convenience stores and they are located in older neighborhoods where rent might be lower, or it might not. Older neighborhoods are closer to the lake and closer to downtown, so they aren't necessarily cheap places to live and a lot of those areas have gentrified.

Any convenience store that isn't many decades old is located in a big gas station. Those big gas stations don't tolerate homeless or criminals on their property and they are all located out on the highway or on major throughfares.

food for thought (by jonny [NY]) Posted on: Nov 16, 2022 1:01 PM

small p ... yes, you are correct. Most of those that are in that type of a convenience type store as you originally mentioned are placed in a "not as nice area" for one reason or another. We have one that is being proposed in an area that is NOT in that situation currently and the neighbors are freaking out about it. The "funny" thing is that the city just built a high rise (if you will) that is mostly for income based tenants but tried to get it where they were more "middle class" (their words) with a few of the apartments ... 60%+ were specifically for the income based tenants. Now the Stewarts shop is being proposed a year later about 2 blocks away.

food for thought (by Wilma [PA]) Posted on: Nov 16, 2022 1:16 PM

For a long time, most convenience stores were located in the vicinity of a low income apartment complex. More recently, the Wawa corporation (convenience and gas) have been building in high traffic areas with just about zero housing.

Stewart's shops can be very nice! We found one in Schroon Lake, NY last summer that had free air for you car's tires, which we desperately needed after some yahoo in our campground got drunk and let some air out of our tires - he thought that we had complained about his late party the night before (we hadn't, but were slated to change sites the next morning in order to get away from his group).

food for thought (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Nov 17, 2022 5:32 PM

We have a regional convenience store chain that has pretty much cornered the market. They have them at a corner of every neighborhood. While the stores are all built identical, you can still easily tell what kind of neighborhood you are in by the store layout.

In the lower end they have coolers with ice filled with the extra large 24 oz cans of beer right up front. Behind the counter are piles of flavored cigars and a large rack of cigarettes. A bucket of the little bottles of fireball liquor sits on the end of the counter. There will likely be a group or two of people hanging out on either side of the building with bicycles propped up against the building and usually someone sitting in a street rod over in the corner.

In the higher end those cooler are refrigerators and filled with every kind of boutique water and juices you could imagine, the cigarettes are under the counter not to be seen by the customer, and instead of fireball they have cell phone cables, spinners, or other small toys. There may be a group hanging out here too on a side of the building but usually it's old men showing off their Harleys and leather jackets.

food for thought (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Nov 23, 2022 9:04 AM

This summer I was at a multi doing some yard work and a tenant walks out to see if I needed anything from the convenience store a couple blocks away.

I said no, but thanks and she drove her car over to get a big gulp. The short time I was there she left three times for the c-store in her car. Had to get cigs, got another big gulp then had to get something for lunch.

Probably spent more in that time frame for fuel and junk food than I spent taking the wife out to dinner that evening. Well, maybe not the same amount, but they call them convenience stores, not cheap purchase stores.

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