Iffy Applicant (by Pat [VA]) Nov 14, 2022 7:15 AM|
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Iffy Applicant (by Allym [NJ]) Nov 14, 2022 12:24 PM
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Iffy Applicant (by Pat [VA]) Posted on: Nov 14, 2022 7:15 AM
Would you rent to an individual that you had caused problems for them in the past?
Had an applicant that was so excited about our rental (could hear it in his voice). When I checked online court cases, some charges from 2015 sounded familiar to me and I realized it was a 19 year old guy that we had chased down & turned in for killing a doe deer after dark by lights (on our property)! He was a star football player and even though he had to get a lawyer & the minimum fines were about 800.00. We showed up at court and even though we didn't have to say anything, he saw us and knows who we are.
He just got a good state job with benefits a little over a month ago and his GF is even younger (21) with only one month on her job (Dr's office). She comes from a good family and I was real good friends with her grandfather.
When he called me yesterday saying he had the application filled out, I told him to e-mail it to me instead of bringing it over like he offered. But I could definitely hear a difference in his voice, so I'm pretty sure he knows by now who we are.
1. He was in the wrong and paid for it.
2. It is in the past and even though I hate what he did, I don't think it will influence me in dealing with him (business is business).
3. Even with no more time on the jobs than they have, they are the best I've had so far.
The way we left it, present tenants are supposed to be out the 28th and we are scheduled to look at it together then.
Would you risk it or do you think he might be inclined to be a problem for us?
The group that I belong to that has "promises" that say, "I will intuitively know how to handle situations that used to baffle me" doesn't quite cover this one! --216.126.xx.xxx
Iffy Applicant (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Nov 14, 2022 7:22 AM
I would never deal with him again,he trespassed,killed a deer on your poperty illegally etc,i wouldnt give him a chance to get back at me --74.77.xx.xx
Iffy Applicant (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: Nov 14, 2022 7:44 AM
What Ken said. Some of the biggest Covid Moratorium Surfers were gov't workers despite getting full pay the whole time. --64.246.xxx.xx
Iffy Applicant (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Nov 14, 2022 8:06 AM
Is there a place on his application that he would check off about misdemeanor and did he? If he lied it would be a hard no. Youth do stupid things and using a gun and shooting an animal improperly adds another element. For me, if I thought I could move beyond it, I might either have a discussion over the phone and give him a chance to own up, apologize and explain how he has grown up and changed. Or take someone to the apartment with you, meet him outside and have the discussion in person. If you can’t have the discussion and/or move beyond on either side, it will never work. --75.67.xxx.xxx
Iffy Applicant (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Nov 14, 2022 8:30 AM
FWIW: I agree with Still Learning. I would try that to gather more info.
If you're good at reading body language and can tell if he's repentant.
Who knows, MAYBE that experience taught him a lesson (& you helped him to grow up through it).
Was it a one-time offense, or did he/does he have a habit of acting badly?
Sometimes people really do change.
Of course, Ken & maple could be right, too. If you have a serious talk & still have doubts, walk away. Possession of your property offers a big way for him to do you wrong if he intends to. --68.229.xxx.xxx
Iffy Applicant (by Jasper [OH]) Posted on: Nov 14, 2022 9:02 AM
Do you have length of time on the job in your rental criteria? Both applicants with only one month on the job would be an automatic rejection for me. If they are telling you a month, it likely could be 2 weeks. Have had that happen. --71.28.xx.xx
Iffy Applicant (by Pat [VA]) Posted on: Nov 14, 2022 9:12 AM
My application has this question:
Have either of you been party to an unlawful detainer action? Or been convicted of any crime? ______
So I obviously need a differently worded question, although technically I am sure it was a misdemeanor. So, in effect they did lie (unless she doesn't know it and she might not). --216.126.xx.xxx
Iffy Applicant (by Sparky [PA]) Posted on: Nov 14, 2022 9:16 AM
You cost him money. You caused him to have to hire and pay an attorney. You caused him to have that charge on his record. He owes you a payback. I would not give him theh opportunity. NEXT. --73.40.xxx.xx
Iffy Applicant (by Jim in O C [CA]) Posted on: Nov 14, 2022 9:30 AM
Pass. In my experience it just never works out. --99.23.xxx.x
Iffy Applicant (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Nov 14, 2022 9:35 AM
Almost all young "people" have not proven themselves Credit worthy to rent from me, period. The few that had the income and/or credit, still ended up making "dumb" mistakes, costing them a financial loss and they stopped paying rent on time. Like allowing renting with proven roommates, only to have a roommate move out within the first few months of tenancy and allowing a replacement roommate, a "friend" to move in without first checking with me and allowing a background check.
The replacement "friend" turned to be a drunk, drug user, have traffic warrants, a abuser, etc. A mature person "cares" about whom the are going to live with... --47.156.xx.xx
Iffy Applicant (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: Nov 14, 2022 9:53 AM
I dunno, it's been 7 years, and teenage boys do stupid things.
Ask me how I know! I'd meet him and feel him out. He's probably feeling really embarrassed. It could be an act of great grace to meet him, laugh with him about how stupid his teenage self was, and help him move on. Have you forgiven him? If so, I'd give him a chance. --104.230.xxx.xxx
Iffy Applicant (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Nov 14, 2022 10:06 AM
It's been my experience that certain types of people seldom change. People that show a complete disregard for what's right usually have that kind of attitude and personality and it stays with them all their lives. Small time stuff that can be explained as youthful stupidity or following the group might be something they grow out of or they might learn from their stupidity. Other stuff, like killing or stronger things, these usually don't go away.
I'd bet if you looked deeper you would find more recent things. --75.7.xx.xx
Iffy Applicant (by RB [TN]) Posted on: Nov 14, 2022 10:08 AM
Only if yer the type that would divorce his Wife
and then remarry her.
Five bucks says ya do it. --24.183.xxx.xxx
Iffy Applicant (by Pat [VA]) Posted on: Nov 14, 2022 10:58 AM
Yes, at the time, I was so angry that I was very disappointed he wasn't punished more (only minimum fines/costs were applied). The Judge acted apologetically towards him, saying his hands were tied, it was a mandatory minimum fine. He was on unsupervised probation for 12 months as well.
Hunting is a big thing around here, but I don't think many honest hunters do this. The game warden went to his mother's home and she was honest enough to tell them where he was and they caught him with the deer.
I'm torn between calling him and talking to him about it, so I don't get blamed for messing up his relationship if she doesn't know it. Instead of bringing it up at a face to face with both of them. --216.126.xx.xxx
Iffy Applicant (by Scott [IN]) Posted on: Nov 14, 2022 11:48 AM
Pat, I would change the wording in your application to something like: "What will we find when we examine your court records?" Provide plenty of blank lines for applicants to fully express themselves.
He didn't lie when answering "no" to your question about criminal convictions. --107.141.xx.xxx
Iffy Applicant (by Scott [IN]) Posted on: Nov 14, 2022 11:59 AM
Oops, I misspoke. I just looked it up. Misdemeanors and felonies are both classified as crimes. --107.141.xx.xxx
Iffy Applicant (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Nov 14, 2022 12:24 PM
He could have killed a tenant, a neighbor, someone's dog. He has poor judgement and surely hates you for catching him. Hate resides in the right side of the brain over which we have minimal control. He has less control than many. He will never forget and it will color every decision he makes toward you. He may just want revenge and will terrorize you. Run. --71.188.xx.xxx
Iffy Applicant (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Nov 14, 2022 12:26 PM
In 99% of the time the answer would probably be no, but let me ask you - did he leave your place owing you money and if he did, does he still owe you money?
If the answer is that they owe you money, both of you need training. But if they owed you money and then paid you what you owe, then maybe they are that 1%.
If someone owes even another LL cash, the answer is no. I don't automatically DQ people for evictions - as there could be a B/F G/F situation where one moves out and the other one got evicted - un benounced to them. But if money is owed - NOPE. --24.101.xxx.xxx
Iffy Applicant (by Pat [VA]) Posted on: Nov 14, 2022 12:31 PM
Ally, I have to agree with you after I heard the difference in his voice. I wish I had never let it get this far.
It's a danged if I do and danged if I don't at this point. --216.126.xx.xxx
Iffy Applicant (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Nov 14, 2022 1:22 PM
This situation is one we all have had - sometimes more than once, this puts us into a washing machine, we get twisted up - spun around - knocked around and in the end we are supposed to come out cleaner, brighter and better than before. I would simply stop communicating with them. --76.190.xxx.xxx
Iffy Applicant (by Dee Ann [WI]) Posted on: Nov 14, 2022 2:32 PM
Like you, PAT, I'm not sure what I would do either. IF I did take them, I might want to do a month to month to see where things went. --75.11.xx.xx
Iffy Applicant (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Nov 14, 2022 3:00 PM
It's not too late. Tell him you have found an issue with the place and won't be renting it for now. Then deal with your other applicants and advertise it someplace else. --71.188.xx.xxx
Iffy Applicant (by Jason [VA]) Posted on: Nov 14, 2022 5:14 PM
Screw me once shame on you. Screw me twice shame on me. --174.206.xxx.xx
Iffy Applicant (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Nov 14, 2022 7:11 PM
Why not just tell the truth?
You trespassed on my property a while back and shot one of my deer. I would never rent to you. --73.113.xxx.xxx
Iffy Applicant (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Nov 14, 2022 7:20 PM
Jasper gave you a good out on length of time at job. I will look at previous job length if current one is brand new but the fact they are both at new could be your reason. If you go with that route you can take the opportunity to discuss the past with him since it sounds like you are both going to be in the same area and he could apply again some time. --107.122.xxx.xx
Iffy Applicant (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Nov 14, 2022 7:31 PM
Just for fun, let me add to my previous comment.
I would rent to you on one exception, that you stand out in the field and let me shoot you like you shot my deer. If you survive, you can tell me how the deer felt. --73.113.xxx.xxx
Iffy Applicant (by small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Nov 15, 2022 12:19 AM
Deer incident aside, They wouldn't get the nod from me unless a family member had the ability to qualify as a guarantor and/or cosign the lease.
First thing that caught my attention is that you are/ were personal friends w/ someone related to them. I avoid these situations. Second they have no time on current job. Do they both have solid history of work?
Lastly it would be charitable of you to look past the guys past transgression, but this is business not church- can your business afford to take that hit if it goes south, or would rather choose a more deserving place to tithe? --24.194.xxx.xx
Iffy Applicant (by MC [PA]) Posted on: Nov 15, 2022 6:16 AM
Deer incident aside, too little time on the job for both. Maybe a cosigner? I wouldn't mention the deer in front of the GF. --73.230.xxx.xx
Iffy Applicant (by Pat [VA]) Posted on: Nov 15, 2022 7:35 AM
I appreciate everyone's thoughts. I put the ad back on and getting a lot of the same people as before, but I am not rushing into anything.
As far as the "friendship" thing goes, he's dead now so that doesn't enter into it except I knew the type of person he was, no promise granddaughter is the same.
Might hold an open house and take apps that day. --216.126.xx.xxx
Iffy Applicant (by Chris [VA]) Posted on: Nov 15, 2022 2:29 PM
If you decide to decline, you or your office manager should text or e-mail him. Preferably your office manager. Everything should be done by text. Don't talk to him again. --71.246.xxx.xxx
Iffy Applicant (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Nov 17, 2022 11:24 PM
Iffy = no.
Your “intuition” is telling you no.
Don’t force an approval on the app.
WE are telling you no.
My written criteria say 2 years on the job.
One month does not mean stability.
Make sure your home is super clean, super fresh, super cute amd market with GREAT photos and virtual staging online.
I know good applicants are rare but If you are not attracting any your home or marketing needs correction.
Iffy Applicant (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Nov 17, 2022 11:25 PM
A year from now with consistant work and income you can re-consider them.
Let someone else teach them renting.
Iffy Applicant (by Tonia [RI]) Posted on: Nov 18, 2022 10:23 PM
Decline app based on length of employment. Follow Ally's advice on this. Revenge is best served cold. --172.58.xxx.xxx
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