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OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Roy [AL]) Oct 10, 2022 4:40 PM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Oct 10, 2022 5:31 PM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Homer [TX]) Oct 10, 2022 5:47 PM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Roy [AL]) Oct 10, 2022 6:04 PM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Oct 10, 2022 6:13 PM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Roy [AL]) Oct 10, 2022 6:36 PM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Jim in O C [CA]) Oct 10, 2022 6:48 PM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Still Learning [NH]) Oct 10, 2022 7:23 PM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Robert J [CA]) Oct 10, 2022 8:46 PM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by don [PA]) Oct 10, 2022 9:16 PM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Mapleaf18 [NY]) Oct 11, 2022 4:25 AM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by MC [PA]) Oct 11, 2022 6:25 AM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Roy [AL]) Oct 11, 2022 7:25 AM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by DJ [VA]) Oct 11, 2022 8:13 AM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Still Learning [NH]) Oct 11, 2022 8:37 AM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by tryan [MA]) Oct 11, 2022 9:14 AM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by PG [SC]) Oct 11, 2022 10:01 AM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Oct 11, 2022 10:49 AM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Roy [AL]) Oct 11, 2022 11:25 AM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Mapleaf18 [NY]) Oct 11, 2022 11:33 AM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Roy [AL]) Oct 11, 2022 12:02 PM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by GKARL [PA]) Oct 11, 2022 12:37 PM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Ed [CA]) Oct 11, 2022 1:25 PM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Pmh [TX]) Oct 11, 2022 5:42 PM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Oct 11, 2022 5:51 PM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by 6x6 [TN]) Oct 11, 2022 8:36 PM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by LTD [AZ]) Oct 11, 2022 11:49 PM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by don [PA]) Oct 12, 2022 2:26 AM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by don [PA]) Oct 12, 2022 2:31 AM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Oct 12, 2022 4:25 AM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Roy [AL]) Oct 12, 2022 7:23 AM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by LTD [AZ]) Oct 12, 2022 11:40 AM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by gevans [SC]) Oct 12, 2022 2:45 PM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by don [PA]) Oct 12, 2022 3:19 PM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Wilma [PA]) Oct 12, 2022 5:13 PM
       OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Eddie [KY]) Oct 14, 2022 4:19 PM


OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2022 4:40 PM
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If you were going to buy a brand new vehicle from a dealer, how would you go about paying for it? Lets assume the vehicle cost a total of $40,000 and all of your payment options (all cash, let the dealer finance it or borrow money from a bank) are open to you.

What payment option would you choose and why? Is there any right or wrong answer here? --71.207.xxx.x




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2022 5:31 PM
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I always pay cash for cars, but have heard a rumor you can get a better price if you finance through the dealership. Just make sure there is no penalty for paying the loan off early.

If I had to borrow, I'd check with my credit union to see what they offered for financing before I went in to look at cars.

Myself, I don't like making car payments so I pay cash. I also very rarely buy a new car, but I do have a family mechanic who loves looking at cars and he picks out a really good one for me to buy. There are lot of bad cars offered for sale on the used market, so you have to know what you are looking at. --76.178.xxx.xxx




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Homer [TX]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2022 5:47 PM
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CASH! Unless I got a better deal by financing, then I would pay it off after 90 days. I just ordered a new truck, and intend on paying cash, unless the dealer insists on financing, which is happening at some dealerships due to supply chain shortages. Bought a new tractor/ backhoe a couple years ago, financed it because they offered 0 percent. I don’t see the auto manufacturers offering 0 percent any time soon. --47.32.xxx.xxx




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2022 6:04 PM
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I have my eye on a brand new Chevrolet truck which has an 8ft. bed on it. This truck is actually the new version of the 2006 Chevrolet truck I drive now. My 2006 truck has too many miles on it and needs to be traded while it still runs good.

On Tuesday, I will talk with my banker and see if he has an opinion of what payment option I should pursue. I am sure the car dealer will have another opinion too. Car dealers always want you to finance through them.

--71.207.xxx.x




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2022 6:13 PM
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I would hold off on buying a new one and instead pick up a used one instead.

I am not a huge fan of buying new ever, but absolutely not when the market is so lopsided.

So how would I get that used car? Hertz car sales.

As for paying for it, if you can fixed payments for fours at the 2.9% that ford advertises, I would be scooping that up. HELOCS are not at that level now a days --24.101.xxx.xxx




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2022 6:36 PM
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Ray,

Yes, the car market is lopsided but it is what it is. Nothing I can do about that. Plus, if a major recession is on the horizon, the lopsided car market could get much worse before it gets any better.

Used vehicles in my small town are mostly high mileage, well used vehicles. They remind me of the houses I buy,...LOL. --71.207.xxx.x




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Jim in O C [CA]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2022 6:48 PM
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Unless you need a vehicle I think prices will level down a little in the next year. I prefer to buy one year old if I can. My 2006 Toyota Avalon had 3800 miles, had been sold so it was used when we bought bit in 2006 plus the license plate was less. --169.150.xxx.xx




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2022 7:23 PM
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In the process of buying one now. Cash. If financing were cheap we would use cash and then finance the amount we were comfortable with a monthly payment. My daughter will be buying soon but she will need to run numbers and figure out how much she can afford for a payment and then figure out how many miles and type of vehicle will work for her budget and needs. This will be her first car she purchases and she will be living at home to save money for car down payment, first, last and security before moving out with a goal of June. She is about to get a lesson in interest rates. --75.67.xxx.xxx




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2022 8:46 PM
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Cars I purchased for the wife, kids and a parent I paid cash. The vehicles I purchase for my business I finance thru the dealership. One truck I purchased new turned out to be a lemon with several re-calls. In my purchase/finance agreement, if the vehicle had re-occurring problems that were not solved, on the third time in the shop -- I would label the truck a lemon and if it was not fixed the third time, they could either refund me my money and cancel the loan or exchange the truck for another one or model and we'd adjust the payments, loan amount. --47.156.xx.xx




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by don [PA]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2022 9:16 PM
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There are youtube vids about this. If you say upfront that you will pay cash you will not get as low of a price on the car. Dealers want the opportunity to make money on the financing. You should say that you will consider financing until you get a firm price on the car. Then consider the financing and unless they give you a crazy good deal pay with cash.

With the internet, there is so much competition and info. on new car prices, that the dealers have taken to depending on the financing to make their money. They want to talk only about what monthly payment you can afford, not the price of the car. --73.141.xxx.xxx




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: Oct 11, 2022 4:25 AM
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I just bought a new Ferris zero turn. My first FZT was bought previously enjoyed when DH's child support was much higher than it is now (1 more year, 3 mos. till last of 3 turns 21, but who's counting? Good ol'NY goes to age 21 not 18, despite "child" working full time, GGRRRRR!!)

I was impressed with the FZT and this one was at end of life. DH had changed the belts and blades several times as well as regular maintenance.

They offered 0 financing no early pymt penalty but there is always a built in service charge. In this case $150.

--72.231.xxx.xx




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by MC [PA]) Posted on: Oct 11, 2022 6:25 AM
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I paid cash. It was a year old and we traveled an hour for it. If the interest rate plus payment equals more than the cash price, do the math. --73.230.xxx.xx




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Oct 11, 2022 7:25 AM
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Thanks Don in PA,

You confirmed my assumption about dealers and financing. When I get asked about payment, I will just say 'all of my options are open' at this time. There seems to be a lot of cash buyers here. From my point of view, Interest rates are nothing more than the 'rent' you pay to use someone else's money for a certain length of time.

Why is it that people borrow money and pay interest (mortgage) to buy RE with but with automobiles they don't want leverage and just prefer to pay cash for it? Is there any logic here? --71.207.xxx.x




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Oct 11, 2022 8:13 AM
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To your last question: because real estate increases in value and cars lose value.

And, Don is totally right --68.229.xxx.xxx




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Oct 11, 2022 8:37 AM
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Also, cars cost less than houses in our area making cash purchases easier. Car negotiation only works if you pick one there are a lot of. For mine there were 3 in the surrounding states. 1 available now in a neighboring state, 1 locally arriving in 4-6 weeks for 3K more and 1 arriving by end of this month missing a few features. The 1 available now will be delivered 2 hours to NH to avoid sales tax. Not like the days my sales person husband would pit 2 dealerships against each other to get the best deal. --75.67.xxx.xxx




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by tryan [MA]) Posted on: Oct 11, 2022 9:14 AM
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I never buy new .... a year or two old vehicle always. Let the prior owner EAT the initial depreciation.

The last one was a leased vehicle ... dealer had 3% financing. So I left the cash where it was making more. Set the payment to auto draft and forget about it. --206.84.xx.xxx




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by PG [SC]) Posted on: Oct 11, 2022 10:01 AM
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Ask the dealer what is the Cash - out the door price. For ref Credit Union rates here are 4.5% - 36 months - 2020 are newer - local banks are about 6%.

You could look at the dealer rates.

I don't buy New - Jan 22 bought Loaded Expedition 17K miles - Cash - sold a 2012 Expedition at retail, As is - good used vehicles are in high demand - I have never did a trade with the dealer.

My current strategy is pay Cash for vehicles - I like being debt free - if I need money to finance a project I could take out a loan on the vehicle or finance via a line of credit.

--72.173.xx.xxx




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Oct 11, 2022 10:49 AM
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Dealers make money when a vehicle through finance. It is better to shorter amortization if have the funds to do so. Try to get the lowest interest rate. If do not require a four wheel drive then the cost of buying and gas consumption is less. With the cost of gasoline would it be possible to buy mid size then use a trailer when more capacity is required. --68.69.xxx.xxx




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Oct 11, 2022 11:25 AM
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I will not be buying a new vehicle from this dealer. Yesterday they quoted me $38,705 before taxes which was close to the MSRP. Today they made an attempt to add $1,000 calling it a 'Dealer Service Fee' which I refused to pay. I know it is a sellers market, but I refused to be ripped off by a sleazy car dealer. --71.207.xxx.x




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: Oct 11, 2022 11:33 AM
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I am with Tryan on vehicles. We always buy previously enjoyed. --174.208.xx.xx




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Oct 11, 2022 12:02 PM
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Mapleaf

Buying a new vehicle is a lot like sleeping with a virgin. You get Peace of mind knowing that you were the first and only lover,..LOL. --71.207.xxx.x




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Oct 11, 2022 12:37 PM
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I buy used and have no problem financing them if the rate is good enough. Last loan I got was at 4%. If a car costs $ 5000 and under, I'll purchase cash. If I go a newer used vehicle, I'll spend between $ 18,000 to $ 30,000 and I'll finance. --65.221.xxx.xx




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Ed [CA]) Posted on: Oct 11, 2022 1:25 PM
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Former mechanic here. I don't drive my vehicles completely into the ground - I sell them at high mileage, but I don't let them fall completely apart trying to get that last mile out of them.

I had a 2004 truck in 2020 that I needed to upgrade. My goal was to get a 2016 or there-abouts with reasonable mileage for $10K over the cost of my old truck. I found the truck I wanted (right color, right options, right mileage) and bought it for 19K. I then paid my kid to detail my old truck and when he was done, I went over it again so it looked like a new one. I sold it for a little over 10k so in the end, I got a vehicle that was 12 years newer, nicely appointed for less than 10K over what I sold my old one for.

I've done this for decades with multiple vehicles. --108.201.xx.xx




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Oct 11, 2022 5:42 PM
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makes no difference to dealer if “paying cash”…they get the cash from lender if you finance…and if they can steer you to a lender they get a cut of the rate… --107.127.x.xx




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Oct 11, 2022 5:51 PM
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I guess the huge wild card in all these answers is - are you actively buying real estate or are you just sitting on some lazy cash.

Rates around here for a house are higher than a car. This is especially true if the car is less than 3 years old. I can get a loan on three old car at between 3.79 to 4.29%. My HELOCs on rentals are sitting at 6.25%. Then again, if I had a spare $30,000 sitting in the bank earning 0.25%, I could see someone being tempted to use the money. I know I just placed about that amount into a CD but they are paying only 3.2% if you lock up the money for 24 months.

So with a CD at 3.2% as compared to a car loan rate at 3.79%, there isn't much difference. These rates are coming from my Navy Fed Credit Union so your rates may vary --24.101.xxx.xxx




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Oct 11, 2022 8:36 PM
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I have heard that you should never get a loan on depreciating items. That said, I am not too sure that used vehicles have depreciated in the last year or two? --73.113.xxx.xxx




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by LTD [AZ]) Posted on: Oct 11, 2022 11:49 PM
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Roy, sorry I'm late.

As someone who bought a Corvette at age 63, consider me an enabler. While I support the Dave Ramsey method, buy late model, low mile, pay cash, there's nothing like a new car. Remember when I got one like every 6 months for like 5 years. Ah those were the days.

So I just want to say, if you can afford it, go ahead and indulge yourself with the truck you want. You aren't getting any younger and you can't take it with you, so enjoy! Dave Ramsey also said, "Live like no one else, so you can Live like no one else." It's your turn.

I would not give this same advice to some 30 year old with one rental and a mortgage.

--47.216.xxx.xxx




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by don [PA]) Posted on: Oct 12, 2022 2:26 AM
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In response to Roy and Dj re why people willing to pay interest on a mortgage will not on a car loan. Three reasons. One, interest on the real estate is deductible. Two, real estate costs a lot more than cars so it is not practical to wait until you save up enough to pay cash. Three, real estate can generate income to offset the interest. --73.141.xxx.xxx




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by don [PA]) Posted on: Oct 12, 2022 2:31 AM
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Best to buy a car coming off of a 2 or 3 year lease. Cars do not depreciate in a straight line. They lose 20% as soon as the title is transferred and they drive off the lot and are no longer "new." They continue to lose a disproportionate amount of value in the first few years. Cars today go 100,000 mile without major problems, so get a 3 year old with 30,000 miles, drive it for 7 years, and sell it. --73.141.xxx.xxx




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Oct 12, 2022 4:25 AM
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Here it is illegal on a new or used vehicle for a dealer to add any surcharges on any vehicle. It is worth to look at Nissan and some other brands to see what is avalable. If flexible then may not get the exact pick up truck where having a dependable pick up truck is important. Cruise control at one time was not standard where now AC and cruise control is common. In North Amercia it is no longer to buy a basic vehicle with roll up windows, metal rims where everything is fully loaded. It is better to tell dealer no surcharges or you walk. Some stuff sold at dealers is worthless where it is after market. Government auctions if do not need a vehicle right away. If not worried about what vehicle looks like. Most pick up trucks come with standard box where some have two wheel drive which is more common in southern states. The most important maintenace on vehicle is oil and filter changes along replacing spark plugs and air cleaner when required. I change oil and filter every 5000 kilometres. --68.69.xxx.xxx




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Oct 12, 2022 7:23 AM
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LTD

Thanks for your reply. Yes, I need some enabling since I am in a self-indulgent mood right now. Yesterday I visited the local Ford dealership and saw a new full-size F-250/4x4/6.2 liter engine for $50K. That one made me drool. I may go back and look at that one again. --71.207.xxx.x




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by LTD [AZ]) Posted on: Oct 12, 2022 11:40 AM
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Roy,

Good morning. That's a very good price I think for an F250. Is it 4WD? Last time I looked at one it was like $95,000. I have the 7.3L diesel.

Just don't do like we did and drive into the dealer looking for a responsible work truck, and leave in a Corvette! LOL

I think the 6.2 is a good engine. It is non-turbo I think which is good. The turbos (plural) on my truck (2.7L) are $5,000 each! But it'll go all day at 75. My last trip to Tucson I averaged an amazing 26.5 mpg! Must of had a tailwind both ways. Normal is more like 19-22. I get about 10-12 in the F250, but I have the utility bed, it's not exactly streamlined.

One thing I like is my F250 has Dana 60 axles with old school manual hubs and both front and rear lockers. It's a monster. You can't get front lockers on the F150. It uses computer braking to simulate locked 4wd. I haven't been stuck in sand or snow in the 150, but I just like mechanical lockers.

AVOID the Ford 3.5L. It's basically the same engine as my 2.7, but Ford screwed up when they enlarged the engine and many have "cam phaser" problems caused by poor oil distribution. But the 3.5 can tow 13,000lbs vs 8,000 for mine.

My F250 will pull a bobcat on a heavy flatbed and you don't know it's even there. I've done it with the 150 (like twice the rated load) and you can feel the little engine strain. But I only drove like 3 miles from the rental yard to the job.

I think most who buy F250's get the "powerstroke" diesel. I forget but I think it's a 6.7 now? I read somewhere it'll haul like a 40,000lb 5th wheel. :O

Our current plan is to drive our F150 until the warranty is out in '26, then probably get a hybrid SUV of some sort. Maybe a 4Runner or Lexus. We have too many cars right now.

--47.216.xxx.xxx




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by gevans [SC]) Posted on: Oct 12, 2022 2:45 PM
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I love buying houses...but I HATE buying vehicles!

My strategy is to buy fairly new from an individual rather than a dealer. The dealer offers them standard trade in... I offer $100 more, cash. --216.218.xxx.xx




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by don [PA]) Posted on: Oct 12, 2022 3:19 PM
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Gevans, in states with a sales tax, your $100 more than dealer trade in value does not make up for the fact that the seller is now gonna pay sales tax on the entire price of his new car rather than the net price less his tradein.

--73.141.xxx.xxx




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Wilma [PA]) Posted on: Oct 12, 2022 5:13 PM
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We only ever bought new, once, during the 2009 "Cash for Clunkers" promo. We had a TRUE clunker, a '91 Voyager minivan. To replace it with a 2 year old used Honda Odyssey, or to participate in CforC and get the same vehicle new was the same price. No-brainer there.

BUT - we were so concerned about keeping it perfect that I was very happy when it got a few scratches and dings - which were our stupid faults. But we relaxed and enjoyed it then!

But never again - new is TOO stressful for me, I want "a couple dents in my fenders" to start with. With prices the way they are, we're waiting a year or two to replace the late 90's Tacoma with frame rot - repaired 5 times, last time this summer - the next time, we part it out and buy a good used truck. For cash. --98.115.xxx.xxx




OT: Buying a new vehicle (by Eddie [KY]) Posted on: Oct 14, 2022 4:19 PM
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A used truck may be almost as high as a new one right now, and with less/or no warranty...put a good down payment and dealer finance make them meet your bank rate....keep your money more some of the opportunities that will be coming up this winter. --159.100.xxx.xx





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