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REpair replace (by Laura [MD]) Oct 3, 2022 2:19 AM
       REpair replace (by Vee [OH]) Oct 3, 2022 5:11 AM
       REpair replace (by Robert J [CA]) Oct 3, 2022 6:03 AM
       REpair replace (by S i d [MO]) Oct 3, 2022 8:45 AM
       REpair replace (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Oct 3, 2022 9:08 AM
       REpair replace (by BillW [NJ]) Oct 3, 2022 9:20 AM
       REpair replace (by BillW [NJ]) Oct 3, 2022 9:38 AM
       REpair replace (by WMH [NC]) Oct 3, 2022 9:48 AM
       REpair replace (by BillW [NJ]) Oct 3, 2022 10:09 AM
       REpair replace (by Nellie [ME]) Oct 3, 2022 10:33 AM
       REpair replace (by MikeA [TX]) Oct 3, 2022 11:19 AM
       REpair replace (by Marcia [WI]) Oct 3, 2022 12:57 PM
       REpair replace (by BillW [NJ]) Oct 3, 2022 1:07 PM
       REpair replace (by don [PA]) Oct 3, 2022 10:00 PM
       REpair replace (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Oct 4, 2022 1:31 AM
       REpair replace (by WMH [NC]) Oct 4, 2022 8:41 AM
       REpair replace (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Oct 4, 2022 9:33 AM
       REpair replace (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Oct 4, 2022 11:17 AM
       REpair replace (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Oct 4, 2022 11:20 AM

REpair replace (by Laura [MD]) Posted on: Oct 3, 2022 2:19 AM

Generally when it comes to broken appliance my normal process is to:

- determine the average lifespan of an appliance

-If appliance is close or 3/4 toward end of average lifespan I replace the item ...this has been the case 90% of the time.

Last time I hired an appliance repair person it was for a relatively new.not high quality refrigerator. Repairperson said it was cheaply made and not repairable. I paid $200+ to repair person, then purchased a new refrigerator.

Now I have a 4 year old whirlpool dishwasher not draining. I have cleared filter, etc. as suggested in google searched. The filter /screen is broken. I found the broken pieced at the bottom of the yucky water still in the dishwasher.

Average lifespan of a dishwasher is 7 to 10 years. Thoughts..replace or repair?


REpair replace (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Oct 3, 2022 5:11 AM

Try something to clear the drain line, I would use a shop vac first to draw out the food scraps, if it works then replace this screen.

REpair replace (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Oct 3, 2022 6:03 AM

Each type of appliance has it's own unique repair issues. Some of the refrigerators that kept of failing were of the cheaper quality. The fan that circulates air from the freezer to the refrigerator section would burn out of the bearing failed. The maker, Heir had no replacement parts and warranty work would take over month. How is a tenant going to survive without a working refrigerator? So I had to find a fan from another manufacturer that I could swap the mounting bracket and wiring harness. Not such a simple fix.

With dishwashers the pumps and motors are replaceable. So I'd have to remove the pump and check for blockages, then test it under load. Pumps go in different direction either to drain or circulate water to the jets cleaning dishes. So if the pump fills a glass standing upwards in the dishwasher but doesn't drain, that means the drain line/section is blocked. --47.156.xx.xx

REpair replace (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Oct 3, 2022 8:45 AM

We had a whisper quiet whirlpool dishwasher in our old house that I bought brand new and it only lasted about 3 years. I did the same as you: disassembled everything and cleaned out the filter, unclogged the water sprayer head, etc. It drained better, but the dishes didn't get clean and there was occasionally standing water in the bottom. No option but to replace.

Ironically, the new house we bought in June 2021 has the exact same dishwasher. So far it's been fine, but it's only about 3 years old. Crossing fingers.

Repairs on appliances are expensive compared to replacement cost. I've actually considered doing something I never do: taking the extended warranty on them. If you can get 5 years out of an appliance, that's about all I expect any more. All the energy and water saving features cause them to be underpowered and break much sooner than the older models that would easily last 15-20 years.

My general rule of thought:

Fridges last 8 years. If older than 6, replace.

Stoves last 10 years. If older than 8, replace.

Water heaters last 10 years. If older than 8, replace.

Heat and air systems last 12 years. If older than 10, replace.


REpair replace (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Oct 3, 2022 9:08 AM

Most newer dishwashers have a filter assembly which has to be cleaned where the older dishwashers have system where everything was drained. Try taking out the filter then cleaning out. Recently bought a used Bosch dishwasher on internet where the person said the pump was defective. Changed out pump which did not solve problem where completely cleaned drain pump assembly then used old pump which solved the problem. Sold older dishwasher as racks were worn out where then the newer dishwasher no money was spent. View some videos on You Tube on how to clean drain sump assembly where type in type of dishwasher then view some videos on how to clean drain sump assembly. I go on intenet where many dishwashers are really cheap where the majority have a clogged drain sump assembly. Newr dishwashers have a small pump that is used for drain instead of using main motor. Another option is use a air compressor then put some pressure in drain hose to clear drain. Tenants do not clean filter then this problems occurs where clean filter first. I worked in electronics where repairing appliances was a easy task. One time bought a used stove at the Habitat for Humanity restore for $10 Cdn dollars where checked out then discovered oven was not working where took out electronic control PCB assembly then found two traces open on PCB where soldered in two heavy wires then oven was working again. I only bought used appliances for rentals then wrote off in one year instead of buying new then amortizing over five years for taxes. The average life of a appliance in rental was 5 years then banged up where replaced as tenants did not take good care of appliances. where some rentals had dishwashers. As long as part did not exceed the cost of replacement then woulld fix where if a glass top was broken then would not fix.

REpair replace (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Oct 3, 2022 9:20 AM

Interesting questions. Recently, a dryer of mine was not heating, and I spent some time on youtube understanding how a gas dryer heats and how to trouble shoot it. I spent $20 on parts from amazon and now itís up and running, and I feel good having fixed it.

If you feel like getting more into repairs, Iíd suggest that route, as I think skilled people (repairman, for example) are in short supply and thereís lots of resources online, on how to make repairs yourself. If you donít want to learn repairs yourself, then I think your rule makes sense, especially as the repair person in your area charges a lot, and didnít do much, at least in the case you described.

Another question is, if you replace the dishwasher, do you do the installation yourself, or pay someone to do it? I looked it up, and see home depot will do it for free, if you buy it in-store (not on-line) and the unit costs more than $396. However, in my experience with free installation, the person(s) doing the install, are not well trained and just want to get out of your house asap. A dishwasher requires electric, water drain, and hot water supply connections, along with leveling the unit (they never do that) and fastening the DW to either the counter, or the sides of cabinets. So, thereís lots of areas to screw up, and in their rushing, installers will screw up plenty.

Well, just my thoughts :-)


REpair replace (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Oct 3, 2022 9:38 AM

I like Sid's idea of the extended warranty. I think the warranty is the same cost, whether two seniors are using the DW or 12 students are loading the DW with un-scraped pots, pans and plates --74.102.xx.xx

REpair replace (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Oct 3, 2022 9:48 AM

Trouble with extended warranty is you are now locked in to whomever provides it. Around here that takes weeks and weeks to get a call back, then a diagnosis then a repair.

And NO ONE repairs LG or Samsung here, which is all Home Depot and Lowes sell anymore (on the floor, you can order GE and Whirlpool and such.)

We stick with used.

REpair replace (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Oct 3, 2022 10:09 AM

Good points WMH, on the extend warranties. When an appliance breaks, I like to have it repaired/replaced in a few days. I can imagine waiting around to hear back from a warranty company. And yeah, my repair man doesn't touch LG or Samsung either. --74.102.xx.xx

REpair replace (by Nellie [ME]) Posted on: Oct 3, 2022 10:33 AM

Be careful of extended warranties. A lot of appliance warranties exclude commercial uses. And rentals are considered commercial.

REpair replace (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Oct 3, 2022 11:19 AM

I tend to not only consider age but cost of replacement and the function not working.

Dishwashers are cheap, once you have done basic screen cleaning I don't do much else but replace

Stove's tend to get a little more effort. Parts tend to be more available and not as expensive to repair as other appliances. On gas its usually the igniter or gas valve which is usually replaceable. On electric, usually one of the burner plugs burned up which is easy to replace.

Refrigerators are the most expensive to replace so they get more investment to keep them running. The exception to this is if it won't cool at all which is almost always a sign the compressor is shot and I won't spend effort on it. Otherwise, it's usually a fan or something similar that is repairable if parts are available so I will call the repair guy.

REpair replace (by Marcia [WI]) Posted on: Oct 3, 2022 12:57 PM

ONe of the duplexes I have I purchased back in 2004. At the time of purchase, both units were empty and one was without a stove. Shortly after I purchased the house, my dad was down helping with different things, and we were driving down the street and about a block down from the house, there was a stove sitting by the road. We stopped, and the homeowner (an older woman) came out and was talking to us about the stove. She said that the reason it was she put it out to the road was bc one of the burners wasnt working. So, my dad was a very frugal man and thought we should take it. So we did. We put it in the truck and him and I hauled it up a flight of stairs in the upper apartment. Plugged it in and it seemed as though all of the burners worked fine. That was back in 2004 or 2005. Either way it was nearly 20 years ago. I haven't had one complaint from a tenant that none of the burners doesn't work. The only thing I have done to it was replace a connector from one of the wires which cost me 45cents. I think I got my money's worth out of it. I know none of the newer ones will last me that long.

REpair replace (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Oct 3, 2022 1:07 PM

Nellie, I didn't know: "A lot of appliance warranties exclude commercial uses. And rentals are considered commercial" Makes sense. The house always wins. --74.102.xx.xx

REpair replace (by don [PA]) Posted on: Oct 3, 2022 10:00 PM

One factor for me is difficulty of removal. Hauling stuff up and down staircases into SOuth Philly basements is no fun, on top of having to sometimes remove doors and railings to get them to fit.

Second consideration is to always buy appliances with mechanical controls. When the circuit boards go, they cost more to fix than the whole appliance costs.

Stoves without circuit boards, and esp without electronic ignitors (no longer made) last a lot longer than 10 years. There are no motors or moving parts on a simple stove. Not much to wear out, just some tubes and valves.

REpair replace (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2022 1:31 AM


Appliance repairs have skyrocketed. Parts and shipping are crazy!

In regards to a dishwasher because they are more difficult to swap out I would call a repair tech and try to repair. This is also a good handyman type repair.

If the repair or the attempt does not solve the problem I would replace the dishwasher. It is a case of not knowing how bad the problem is until you open up the parts. Sometimes a drain pump is easy to swap out. Just gotta bite the bullet and go through the process even though the process may cost a few bucks more.

We only purchase new dishwashers.


REpair replace (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2022 8:41 AM

Brad, we only do new dishwashers and over-oven microwaves. We do buy the cheapest dishwashers we can find - don't care about noise, just care about having one.

Fridge, washer, dryer, stove: all used. We have a good source though. Same guy, comes and takes the old one and replaces with a cleaned-up reconditioned one. Doesn't charge a delivery fee if we give him the old one. I'm pretty sure we've bought the same fridge or stove from him a few times :)

REpair replace (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2022 9:33 AM

Some people are proactive and others excel at being reactive.

So it really depends who you are.

Me, my Toyota is five years old and I noticed some gook building up on a battery terminal. Although I didn't rush out and get a new battery, this next car inspection cycle, I'll get it replaced before I find myself outside in the winter cold.

The same thing occurs with appliances. If I have 10 years on an old frig in an empty rental, I am going to do my best to sell the new refrigerator upgrade.

REpair replace (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2022 11:17 AM

I am in the process of replacing a dishwasher and a microwave. Both out at the same time. The dishwasher would be an easy repair but the appliances are original to the house and the house is now 20 years old. I can't see much point in repairing a 20 year old dishwasher.

Microwaves are not quite so easy to repair, and again, it is 20 years old, so it is getting replaced.

I hate buying new appliances because I know they have a short lifespan. It wouldn't be so bad if they were still cheap, but they are no longer cheap to buy. So a big purchase cost and the knowledge they will only last 5 years or so.

REpair replace (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2022 11:20 AM

Adding this: there are no appliances in stock. They all have to be ordered and I hope you like stainless steel because the choices are a couple of different stainless steel finishes and forget about getting anything else.

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