Petty offenses (by S i d [MO]) Sep 29, 2022 11:43 AM|
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Petty offenses (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Sep 30, 2022 12:40 AM
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Petty offenses (by Renne [TX]) Oct 3, 2022 1:02 PM
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Petty offenses (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Sep 29, 2022 11:43 AM
I just got a tour request on my pre-screening web form. When I ran our free court record search, I pulled up 8 "hits" for this person. I'm confident this is her because the First, Middle, and Last name combination is uncommon.
One offense from 2017 - Littering, $250 fine
One from 2019 - Small Claims $5000 judgment entered. No record of satisfaction on file. Doesn't look like an eviction, but no clues as to what was being redressed.
All 6 other offenses are from 2022, two of which were from September! What kinds of things?
1. Speeding 20-25 mph over.
2. Inattentive driving (???)
3. Operation vehicle without insurance; happened same day as #2.
4. Operating vehicle without license; same days as #2 and 3.
5. Again, Operating vehicle without a license; 14 days ago.
6. Again, Operation vehicle without insurance; happened same day as #5.
Individually, none of these are particularly concerning to me, except for that $5000 judgment not showing as paid yet. We all make mistakes and screw up sometimes. But this to me six issues in one year and two others not that long ago constitutes a pattern that leads me to believe that this person doesn't believe the rules apply to her.
How would she react to the rules of a lease? My guess is there would be problems. I do not plan to respond to this person's tour request.
But I'm wondering what you do if you pre-screen and find multiple, recent minor infractions?
Petty offenses (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Sep 29, 2022 12:01 PM
I wouldnt show it to her either,it almost like she is seeing how many infractions she can get on purpose. --74.77.xx.xx
Petty offenses (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Sep 29, 2022 12:09 PM
To me, it shows either a pattern of "I don't care about the rules" or desperation for some reason. If it's "I don't care", well you're right--they won't care about your rules either. If it's desperation, I guess it's about what's causing the desperation and can it be cured.
No license around here generally either means drunk driving conviction or some other stupid thing like repeated no insurance or not paying for gas and driving off.
I agree and likely would not bother taking the time to investigate all the possible reasons. If they really wanted it, they would probably offer up an explanation with their inquiry. (But- when was the last time that ever happened?) --24.180.xx.xx
Petty offenses (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Sep 29, 2022 12:12 PM
It all depends on what you expect from tenants, and what you will tolerate from them.
It seems pretty clear what to expect from this tenant. If thats within your tolerance, its your choice, you have been forewarned.
For me, I would give him a polite "No Thank You". I don't waste my time with applicants that I know I won't be happy with.
A lot depends on the type of clientele that you usually take, By now, you should know what you like and don't like, and what your market deserves. My market doesn't tolerate such applicants.
I don't bother with seeking out a court record; I don't even entertain applicants without decent educations, appropriate jobs and professional demeanors. Thats mu guarantee of the kind of person I want as a tenant.
Petty offenses (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Sep 29, 2022 12:12 PM
She is irresponsible,..that is an automatic DQ. --71.207.xxx.x
Petty offenses (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: Sep 29, 2022 12:32 PM
Nope. He (or she) that is faithful in least is faithful in most. And the other way around. Don't want an applicant who thinks laws don't apply to them. Even with C/D grade properties. --72.231.xxx.xx
Petty offenses (by gevans [SC]) Posted on: Sep 29, 2022 1:10 PM
As an arrogant teenager, I once got six tickets at one time. Probably would have gotten a warning instead if I had been polite.
I learned my lesson...the hard way of course!
I would not have rented to teenage me, and I would not rent to her. --216.218.xxx.xx
Petty offenses (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Sep 29, 2022 1:24 PM
Sid, I had some second thoughts about your posting.
In a previous posting, you said (or at least implied) that you found nothing wrong with violating rules when it is in the landlord's best interests. Is that what is happened with this applicant? He did what he considered to be in his own best interests despite the rules, he got caught, but you consider that he had a right to do that and you had no problem with that.
By the way, when I first came to the US, I lived in Chicago (midwest) where rules were nonexistent if you knew the right people, and life for many, many residents was miserable, unless again, you knew he right people, and life was very chaotic indeed. Every man was a lawbreaker, from the corner merchant to the Police, and, of course, the landlord.
I was raised in a religious society, although neither my parents nor I were religious. As a result, I have a great regard for the interests of society as an adjunct to one's own interest. The country was a mess, despite the lessons of religion, but the principles remain with me: We don't live in the world alone.
Petty offenses (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Sep 29, 2022 1:26 PM
There are two levels I would be checking......
the first as many have said - the disregard for rules. they are not doing so well with this. Depending on what was done, I might be able to oevr look this as long as there wasn't a pattern. With six though -
The second tool I would be using would be the payment pattern for the fines that occur with breaking the law. perhaps you could have a rich extreme energy junky that pays these fines in full. Then again, if they are not paying the judge, we don't stand a chance at all --24.101.xxx.xxx
Petty offenses (by Jim in O C [CA]) Posted on: Sep 29, 2022 1:32 PM
Past performance IS an indicator of future behavior. --89.45.xx.xxx
Petty offenses (by Sisco [MO]) Posted on: Sep 29, 2022 1:48 PM
Regarding infractions 3-6: ask yourself who drives with no license? With no insurance? Based on my observations, people who have their license revoked for drunk driving do so. Not stable. --149.76.xxx.xxx
Petty offenses (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Sep 29, 2022 3:34 PM
I've had a tenant for 40 years. He was a medium level banker that could not have any negative issues or he would loose his job.
I have teachers and administrators working for the public schools and State Universities. One became the chair of the philosophy department, going on 37 years. Another going on 17 years, from teacher to Vice Principal.
I also have a 12 year tenant that works for the public library.
If we set or Standards High, nothing that "we" couldn't qualify for ourselves, then we will have "long term" gem as a tenant. --47.156.xx.xx
Petty offenses (by MAT [PA]) Posted on: Sep 29, 2022 5:44 PM
If there are 6 issues on her record, there are probably ten times that many infractions, or more. Not someone I’m interested in. --107.77.xxx.xxx
Petty offenses (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Sep 29, 2022 6:20 PM
I likely would DQ on "cooperative" since they aren't cooperating with community laws, but repeat offenses like that can also speak to "stable employment", and "sound finances" which could also be affected by these repeated unstable behaviors.
I'm with you. When you see two instances back to back of driving without a license/insurance then clearly they don't care to follow rules which will translate into ignoring the lease. --209.205.xxx.xx
Petty offenses (by RB [TN]) Posted on: Sep 29, 2022 7:17 PM
Petty offenses (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Sep 29, 2022 9:34 PM
Moshe, I assume you're referring to this: my views expressed earlier on a land lord's right to discriminate on source of income.
If you want a serious answer, then cite a specific passage and ask a specific question. Otherwise, as I used to tell my Freshmen English students, "I'm not going to write your thesis for you."
Also, you can send your straw man assumption about how I view my relationship to other people and our relationship to society back to Oz. --184.4.xx.xx
Petty offenses (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Sep 30, 2022 12:40 AM
Hmmmm…I need to update my written criteria.
The offenses listed are not on my checklist for documenting a denial.
My Son in law, a former cop, says lots of seatbelt or taillight tickets possibly means the police are watching them, hoping to catch them with drugs or such.
Petty offenses (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Sep 30, 2022 10:01 AM
I would prefer to not rent to scofflaws.
The driving with no license and no insurance is serious.
The "littering" is probably serious, too, because no officer is going to bother to write anyone up for dropping a candy wrapper. I suspect that it is a plead-down conviction from something more serious. At the very least, it indicates some sort of unaccepible behavior that provoked police attention.
If they think littering is OK, what will your house and yard look like? --76.178.xxx.xxx
Petty offenses (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Sep 30, 2022 10:03 AM
Of course, if you live in a state where you are not allowed to reject for a criminal record, I guess you would have to take her. --76.178.xxx.xxx
Petty offenses (by Renne [TX]) Posted on: Oct 3, 2022 1:02 PM
When we first began developing our written screening criteria, our mindset was everyone was qualified and we were listing items which would disqualify people. Our default was yes until we could prove them a no.
On our application listed we listed specific things which were deal breakers. Under criminal, we listed a history including: child abuse, child neglect, child abandonment, child endangerment, violence, drug manufacturing or drug distribution.
Then, when the criminal reports came back, there were items we had not listed because it never occurred to us, like forgery, or a warrant for an arrest. As the items which came back were not on our written application, I felt that I couldn’t deny them, so our first few experiences weren’t fun.
Then we changed our mindset (thank you, Mr. Landlord forum!) to no one was qualified until they proved they were. Now our default is no until they prove themselves a yes. We shifted the responsibility onto the applicant. We still treat every applicant exactly the same and they all go through our standard screening criteria.
Now our application states: We are looking for Residents who have a positive history of being law abiding, responsible, community members.
In our business handbook, we added the following to our written screening criteria:
Multiple (2 or more) lesser crimes like failure to yield, not wearing a seat belt, no car insurance? Automatic Unable to Qualify
It was for exactly the reason you described. If an applicant has multiple "small" items, it is likely they do not believe the rules apply to them and my job will be an uphill battle getting them to comply with our policies and procedures.
So far, our list includes:
Does not have a driver’s license, expired or suspended driver’s license? Automatic Unable to Qualify
Income not 3 x the rent? Automatic Unable to Qualify
Not able to verify current/previous landlord references or negative references? Automatic Unable to Qualify
Not able to verify current/previous employer references or negative references? Automatic Unable to Qualify
Utility charges sent to collections or charged off? Automatic Unable to Qualify
Crimes of child endangerment, child abuse, child abandonment, child neglect, any type of violence, drug manufacturing, or drug distribution? Automatic Unable to Qualify
Behind on child support? Automatic Unable to Qualify
Warrant out for arrest? Automatic Unable to Qualify
Profanity during application process? Automatic Unable to Qualify
Rude or uncooperative during application process? Automatic Unable to Qualify
Luke 16:10 “He who is faithful in what is least is faithful also in much; and he who is unjust in what is least is unjust also in much.”
Martha Beck, “How you do anything is how you do everything.”
Petty offenses (by zero [IN]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2022 10:13 AM
For awhile the deputies around here were on patrol for seatbelt violations. I got pulled over for speeding, which I was doing, and the officer said he would just write it up as no seatbelt. I told him to do what he needed but I would fight it as I wore my seatbelt before it was law in our state.
The reply was that he didn't understand why someone would fight a seatbelt violation ($25 fine) instead of a speeding violation which was more. I did one, not the other.
He let me go with a warning.
Talked to other people that I worked with at the time and saw a pattern of people getting stopped for one thing and getting seatbelt charges instead.
Guess I would have to take that under advisement in the application process. --107.147.xx.xxx
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