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What do YOU think? (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Sep 27, 2022 1:01 PM
       What do YOU think? (by Moshe [CA]) Sep 27, 2022 1:15 PM
       What do YOU think? (by Ken [NY]) Sep 27, 2022 2:22 PM
       What do YOU think? (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Sep 27, 2022 2:54 PM
       What do YOU think? (by S i d [MO]) Sep 27, 2022 2:57 PM
       What do YOU think? (by Jason [VA]) Sep 27, 2022 2:58 PM
       What do YOU think? (by Bonanza [NC]) Sep 27, 2022 3:04 PM
       What do YOU think? (by WMH [NC]) Sep 27, 2022 3:14 PM
       What do YOU think? (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Sep 27, 2022 3:50 PM
       What do YOU think? (by plenty [MO]) Sep 27, 2022 4:26 PM
       What do YOU think? (by WMH [NC]) Sep 27, 2022 4:49 PM
       What do YOU think? (by LTD [AZ]) Sep 27, 2022 5:35 PM
       What do YOU think? (by Small potatoes [NY]) Sep 27, 2022 6:30 PM
       What do YOU think? (by MikeA [TX]) Sep 27, 2022 6:36 PM
       What do YOU think? (by RB [TN]) Sep 27, 2022 6:49 PM
       What do YOU think? (by 6x6 [TN]) Sep 27, 2022 7:19 PM
       What do YOU think? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Sep 27, 2022 7:46 PM
       What do YOU think? (by Robin [WI]) Sep 27, 2022 8:12 PM
       What do YOU think? (by Dee Ann [WI]) Sep 27, 2022 9:10 PM
       What do YOU think? (by Small potatoes [NY]) Sep 27, 2022 9:19 PM
       What do YOU think? (by Small potatoes [NY]) Sep 27, 2022 9:19 PM
       What do YOU think? (by Ken [NY]) Sep 27, 2022 10:13 PM
       What do YOU think? (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Sep 27, 2022 11:26 PM
       What do YOU think? (by Mapleaf18 [NY]) Sep 28, 2022 6:41 AM
       What do YOU think? (by tryan [MA]) Sep 28, 2022 9:57 AM
       What do YOU think? (by tryan [MA]) Sep 28, 2022 10:00 AM
       What do YOU think? (by small potatoes [NY]) Sep 28, 2022 2:38 PM
       What do YOU think? (by Ken [NY]) Sep 28, 2022 4:08 PM
       What do YOU think? (by WMH [NC]) Sep 28, 2022 8:25 PM
       What do YOU think? (by Ken [NY]) Sep 28, 2022 9:23 PM


What do YOU think? (by mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: Sep 27, 2022 1:01 PM
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As you may know, NYS has some of the most militantly pro tenant legislation and anti private property laws in the country. I was speaking to one of my DH's former co-workers who does a lot of property management for his dad and probably others although you are supposed to have a RE license, but I digress.

It should be noted that this guy is a salesman extraordinaire (his main profession) and could probably sell a klondike bar to a Northern Indigenous person.

He told me he collects first and last month's rent as a sec dep. I reminded him that this is illegal per the 2019 rules. He was basically "screw the rules, look out for yourself/your business"

He is often in eviction court yet "goes with his gut" when determining which tenant(s) to choose. He's in a "higher end" area (not by much, just the county over has a better "stigma" if you will)

He also said "if they don't have a job, they don't get selected" I also reminded him that this policy too is against the 2019 rules aka discrimination based on income source.

He seemed to poo poo everything I was saying.

What do you think of his daredevil attitude? Do you think he makes sense? --72.0.xxx.xx




What do YOU think? (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Sep 27, 2022 1:15 PM
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Nice work, so long as you get away with it.

A lot depends on where he works. In some jurisdictions, if he comes up before the same judge with the same weak arguments, the judge will remember and not give him any benefit of the doubt.

Such RE people certainly exist, we have all met them.

For me, I am too honest to want that kind of life, and I feel much better following the rules. Its not that hard.

--47.139.xx.xxx




What do YOU think? (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Sep 27, 2022 2:22 PM
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He will get away with it if he keeps his mouth shut but apparantly he cant do that.Since noone here knows me i will tell you i dont take welfare or section 8 either but i dont tell them that.I never got last month rent anyway. --74.77.xx.xx




What do YOU think? (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Sep 27, 2022 2:54 PM
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He's getting away with it. Pointing out that he is not the owner and he is not the one who will be hurt by his actions. Landlords don't get thrown in jail for charging a double deposit and it's not his own house that will be lost in a lawsuit. --76.178.xxx.xxx




What do YOU think? (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Sep 27, 2022 2:57 PM
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I have no problems with it. A land lord should be free to discriminate based on source of income, because not all income is created alike. Social security, disability, pensions, and other forms of income are judgment proof: thus, they are not collectible if they fail to pay. I have no interest in renting to someone who can get away without paying. You are not born with a certain type of income. There is nothing inherently unfair about recognizing the risks with renting to tenants who might be able to skip out with no consequences.

Likewise, if a tenant is too risky to only collect a single months rent and security deposit, then the LL and Tenant should be allowed--as adults--to determine what is in their own best interest. If both parties want to do a lease with a double security deposit, then that should be allowed. The Govt should not interfere with the ability to contract, so long as there is nothing illegal per se. Leasing property is not illegal; therefore, the Govt should stay out of whatever arrangement works for both parties. all the tenant has to do to "protect" themselves is find a LL who doesn't demand double deposits. The flip side is a tenant might not be approved for any living spaces if they are too risky and the LL is not permitted to mitigate risk by charging a larger deposit. In this case, the old saying would go, "I'm from the Govt and I'm here to help you stay homeless."

He may get caught some day and have to pay the piper. Such is the way of doing business in NY. When the laws become too odious, then every man becomes a lawbreaker. Or you move to the Mid-West where we still believe in personal property rights and that the Govt that governs best governs less.

We fought a war over this from 1775-1783.

--184.4.xx.xx




What do YOU think? (by Jason [VA]) Posted on: Sep 27, 2022 2:58 PM
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The speed limit on the highway is 55 mph. I always drive 55mph and not a second faster. --174.206.xxx.xxx




What do YOU think? (by Bonanza [NC]) Posted on: Sep 27, 2022 3:04 PM
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Well they can't take his license away since he doesn't have one.

I try to follow the rules and keep my head down. Its the ones that don't that are more likely to have problems. --71.217.xxx.xxx




What do YOU think? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Sep 27, 2022 3:14 PM
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I agree with everything SID said, frankly. --74.110.xxx.xx




What do YOU think? (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Sep 27, 2022 3:50 PM
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if want to see worthless people then can attend the left wing reactionary tenancy advocates where the chairs have low education along depend on generous government subsidies. I remember the time I went down to housing ministers office then complained about the provincial funding to those extreme left wing groups where in a few months they were cut off then had earn the right to represent tenants by having tenants fund them. Unfortunately some cities continue those reactionary groups. I never ever discriminated where a low credit score along unstable tenancy along unpaid utilities meant another eviction would be started all over again. One insisted where I told they could reapply if they fixed the negative credit reports which meant paying the judgements, unpaid utilities and other bills. If someone owes over $700 on cable and cell phone that already set a bad precedent. When I told that rent must come from directly from social assistance she never took me to the human rights tribunal for discrimination. What these people need is last resort rental housing which the community housing which was once called the housing authority. Some those extremist actually own houses then let some people in for free rent and utilities then see what they do. When attending some of those left wing tenancy advocate meetings I never the level of hate towards private sector rental housing providers. If human nature was differently namely there was no such thing as lazy people then collectively they building low cost non profit rental housing. The day after the Bolshevik revolution alcoholism and worlds oldest profession was still there along the collective farms never worked. --68.69.xxx.xxx




What do YOU think? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Sep 27, 2022 4:26 PM
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Interesting. Like many, rule breaker ends up in court. Rinse and repeat. (He's the one in court all the time.) --172.56.xx.xxx




What do YOU think? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Sep 27, 2022 4:49 PM
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Good point, Plenty. Unfortunately as much as I agree with Sid, I am NOT a rule-breaker by nature. Living in NYS would drive me to consider it though. --74.110.xxx.xx




What do YOU think? (by LTD [AZ]) Posted on: Sep 27, 2022 5:35 PM
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Speaking as a former landlord I encountered some of these issues, and saw how the courts and law treat housing providers. I make more selling one new manufactured home than I did in a year with 20 rentals, wearing mysef out cleaning toilets and rehabbing units for people who saw me as the enemy for providing them nice housing at affordable prices.

So we got out. I joked about my desert and a shovel, but reality is you go extra judicial and your next stop may be prison or bankruptcy court.

Then came covid, and frankly I don't know how many landlords have managed to survive the largely uncompensated mandates, crime, squatters, etc.. With growing militancy and groups calling for housing socialization, and increasing restrictions on landlords. I forsee a rough future for landlords. And from the numbers we see cashing out I'm not alone. --47.216.xxx.xxx




What do YOU think? (by Small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Sep 27, 2022 6:30 PM
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I'm sure he is smart enough to not say those things to prospects and plenty here talk about the nuance of dancing around the protected types, or are in states they are not affected by them and frankly talk a big game. you can accomplish everything he does {except double deposit) And follow the rules. like you, I follow the rules and my integrity speaks for itself as was needed when I was accused of discrimination and had a human rights case opened against me. it was ultimately dismissed. I'm no Brad 20k w a judge connection, but I'm civic minded and participate in my community. unfortunately it is a small % of slumlords that advocates use to tighten the screws on all of us. --172.58.xxx.xxx




What do YOU think? (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Sep 27, 2022 6:36 PM
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This is the fallacy of big government and more regulations. Those that follow the law succumb and those that don't prosper. It starts with individuals and ends with organized crime and corruption taking over.

Sometimes you gotta-do what you gotta-do just don't brag about it.

--209.205.xxx.xx




What do YOU think? (by RB [TN]) Posted on: Sep 27, 2022 6:49 PM
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DOWHATYAGOTTADO, I like that ! --24.183.xxx.xxx




What do YOU think? (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Sep 27, 2022 7:19 PM
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It's working for him. --73.113.xxx.xxx




What do YOU think? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Sep 27, 2022 7:46 PM
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What you say might be 100% true. Then again do you know absolutely that he doesn't have even a micro fraction of interest in a trust that controls these pieces of property?

The view of doing something legal verse something illegal depends largely who is wearing the glasses at the moment. How often have we seen someone who is breaking a rule in the lease but maybe not breaking the law. It is absolutely frustrating.... but it is what it is. It is only a small part of a much bigger picture. In the end, you have to sleep at night knowing you did the best you could. --24.101.xxx.xxx




What do YOU think? (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: Sep 27, 2022 8:12 PM
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Which puts you on more solid moral ground: complying with tyrannical laws, or resisting them? --104.230.xxx.xxx




What do YOU think? (by Dee Ann [WI]) Posted on: Sep 27, 2022 9:10 PM
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Those that have rented from me have returned to rent years later as well as their family (brother or sisters) later in life and even friends. Many referrals come from current or former renters. I value my reputation.

As for the fellow in NY that is not following the laws, I hope I am, some of them are unclear and case law takes over. --75.11.xx.xx




What do YOU think? (by Small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Sep 27, 2022 9:19 PM
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Mapleaf18,he could use a little enlightenment to understand they he can hold his point of view and not discriminate on income by having a monthly income threshold (still legal, lol). personally I don't see any need to risk the penalties that go w violating the new requirements.

MikeA,

my multifamily shacks are paid off and cash flow well. it has allowed me to live through the current regulatory climate. being forced to be more selective has indirectly improved things because I have eliminated the drama that comes with tenants that require double deposits, so don't say one can't be profitable and follow rules. rentals have allowed me to take time to work in the community. otherwise what I hear is only scumbags win. --172.58.xxx.xxx




What do YOU think? (by Small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Sep 27, 2022 9:19 PM
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Mapleaf18,he could use a little enlightenment to understand they he can hold his point of view and not discriminate on income by having a monthly income threshold (still legal, lol). personally I don't see any need to risk the penalties that go w violating the new requirements.

MikeA,

my multifamily shacks are paid off and cash flow well. it has allowed me to live through the current regulatory climate. being forced to be more selective has indirectly improved things because I have eliminated the drama that comes with tenants that require double deposits, so don't say one can't be profitable and follow rules. rentals have allowed me to take time to work in the community. otherwise what I hear is only scumbags win. --172.58.xxx.xxx




What do YOU think? (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Sep 27, 2022 10:13 PM
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Small potatoes,just because you or i have an income requirement doesnt mean we can legally refuse section 8 or welfare --74.77.xx.xx




What do YOU think? (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Sep 27, 2022 11:26 PM
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Most jurisdictions vacant rental units are becoming more difficult to find for those who are in the never ending trash out cycle along with not paying rent. Separated utiltities will automatically screen out a lot of problem tenants as they know the can not move in if they hydro electric utility or natural gas company money. In the provincie of Ontario vacancy rates are really low where one per cent on and off in most major urban areas. Source of income can not be used where if owe utilities then they are going owe rent. For those who think housing should be right then that right should not impair the safety of other tenants in the building where illegal drug transactiions are being made. It is known they carry illegal hand guns along have two vicious dogs. Security cameras and a controlled entrance reduce that sort of traffic as they do not want to be on camera. A incomplete rental application with no provided identity is where no rents to alias. Oh I lost my birth certificate then come back when you have one. I absolutely not going to provide my social insurance number where without three pieces of identity then sorry keep looking. Credit checks is three part process where if the place of employment does not exist then they are immediately disqualified where can check out in yellow pages. Then a credit check with credit bureaus is not necessary. Had one with a credit score in low four hundreds where he had unstable tenancy. Housing as a last resort is the community housing authority if they can not find a rental unit in the private sector rental housing market. Everyone can apply if they do not come back with completely filled rental application with three pieces of photo copied identity then they are not accepted where no discrimination. --68.69.xxx.xxx




What do YOU think? (by Mapleaf18 [NY]) Posted on: Sep 28, 2022 6:41 AM
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Robin, part of resisting tyranny is finding a clever way around said tyranny while not being overt. Judging by this guy's personality, I'm sure he just blurts out his albeit common sense, now illegal requirements. --72.231.xxx.xx




What do YOU think? (by tryan [MA]) Posted on: Sep 28, 2022 9:57 AM
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Couple thoughts ... as I've said before:

Life is lived in the grey area. Easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission (in MANY cases).

And if I follow all the rules, I'ld be BROKE.

Yeah I TRIED to keep up with the rules/laws as they changed. But did I circle back to the decade old tenants and : put the sec deposit in a unique interest bearing account; OR back date years of annual interest statements; or send a copy of the HUD lead guidelines ... because the rules changed. NOPE. --206.84.xx.xxx




What do YOU think? (by tryan [MA]) Posted on: Sep 28, 2022 10:00 AM
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The new leases got the new rules to the best of my ability.

And I got OUT of the hood for all the reasons LTD stated. Except I did flips (not manufactured homes). --206.84.xx.xxx




What do YOU think? (by small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Sep 28, 2022 2:38 PM
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Ken is a minimum income requirement not a legitimate way to screen source of income?

Tryan, well put about operating in the grey --24.194.xxx.xx




What do YOU think? (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Sep 28, 2022 4:08 PM
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Small potatoes, if the rent is $1000 and use say 3x rent as income i dont think you can say sorry section 8 tenant you dont have $3000 income so sorry i wont rent it to you,not sure how to figure it out actually,if you want to discuss it further start a new thread,i think it would make a good discussion --74.77.xx.xx




What do YOU think? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Sep 28, 2022 8:25 PM
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Ken I looked it up - you take THEIR part of the rent and triple that. So if the rent is $3000 and Sec8 pays $2800 and the Tenant has to pay $200, you can only require $600 a month in income from them.

BUT you also have to sign a year's lease - so M2M avoids that pitfall. --74.110.xxx.xx




What do YOU think? (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Sep 28, 2022 9:23 PM
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WMH,thank you,that makes sense as far as income for section 8 renter goes.I have been told that even though someone only does month to month you would have to accept year lease for section 8.What i have done is say yes of course i accept section 8 when asked,they seems to satisfy them,i then dont take the lead with questions as i usually do and let them stumble along till they they just say bye and hang up,i am not going to help them hang me.If they are able to get through that i ell them to have the worker call me,if the worker ever called me i would ask a few questions then tell them i need an app filled out,they dont seem to get that far --74.77.xx.xx





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