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Boyfriend non-plumber (by Lana [IN]) Sep 14, 2022 1:07 PM
       Boyfriend non-plumber (by plenty [MO]) Sep 14, 2022 1:20 PM
       Boyfriend non-plumber (by RB [TN]) Sep 14, 2022 1:42 PM
       Boyfriend non-plumber (by Lana [IN]) Sep 14, 2022 1:48 PM
       Boyfriend non-plumber (by Laura [MD]) Sep 14, 2022 2:01 PM
       Boyfriend non-plumber (by Frank [NJ]) Sep 14, 2022 2:05 PM
       Boyfriend non-plumber (by Robert J [CA]) Sep 14, 2022 5:08 PM
       Boyfriend non-plumber (by Dave [MO]) Sep 14, 2022 5:16 PM
       Boyfriend non-plumber (by DJ [VA]) Sep 14, 2022 8:51 PM
       Boyfriend non-plumber (by LisaFL [FL]) Sep 15, 2022 12:10 AM
       Boyfriend non-plumber (by Vee [OH]) Sep 15, 2022 4:09 AM
       Boyfriend non-plumber (by Ken [NY]) Sep 15, 2022 7:58 AM
       Boyfriend non-plumber (by Laura [MD]) Sep 15, 2022 9:33 AM
       Boyfriend non-plumber (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Sep 15, 2022 10:35 AM
       Boyfriend non-plumber (by Scott [IN]) Sep 15, 2022 10:54 AM
       Boyfriend non-plumber (by Lana [IN]) Sep 15, 2022 12:16 PM
       Boyfriend non-plumber (by Hoosier [IN]) Sep 15, 2022 3:45 PM
       Boyfriend non-plumber (by LisaFL [FL]) Sep 15, 2022 7:24 PM
       Boyfriend non-plumber (by Nancy [NJ]) Sep 19, 2022 8:01 PM

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Boyfriend non-plumber (by Lana [IN]) Posted on: Sep 14, 2022 1:07 PM

New tenant moved in 5/22. A divorced mother with 12 y/o son. Good job and credit. Pays well so far. Last month she sent a text that she was 8 weeks pregnant and wants to move in boyfriend/FOB. I got an application from him and approved him on stipulation that he leave when she does.

I got a strange text this am about tub not draining. I go over my drain policy at lease signing and I do drain clogs for first 30 days and first occurrence, then tenant is responsible. She told me the problem was not the drain, but the shower diverter according to BF. He "worked" on it, but was unable to get tub to drain. Great. Handyman goes over and the drain is indeed clogged and we need to snake it. BF attacked the shower diverter and must have pried it's plate off with a screwdriver. The screws have been pulled through and one is busted inside wall. He pulled the diverter out, damaging surround and breaking it up and left a mangled mess on bathroom floor. Umm, what did the poor diverter ever have to do with a clog.

We are going to replace all, faucet, shower, and diverter as it is old and we have to get into wall anyway to fix his mess. The bathroom sink will need to be pulled before going through wall to fixtures.

I sent tenant the picture of her BFs destruction, told her to never attack my plumbing again, and call for maintenance. She sent back she was sorry and would pay. Right! Think I will ask her to pay half(as I will be upgrading fixtures), but the real problem remains..her BF does not have a clue and is destructive as well.


Boyfriend non-plumber (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Sep 14, 2022 1:20 PM

She offered to pay for it. I would send the entire bill and a deadline to pay and if she throws a fit then negotiate price.

Boyfriend non-plumber (by RB [TN]) Posted on: Sep 14, 2022 1:42 PM

Strike one !

Boyfriend non-plumber (by Lana [IN]) Posted on: Sep 14, 2022 1:48 PM

Right on RB! As I am winding down landlording, it takes very little to strike out with me. However, you miscounted, strike one was boyfriend for me and this is strike 2. We now have her drain open, but with destroyed fixtures.

Boyfriend non-plumber (by Laura [MD]) Posted on: Sep 14, 2022 2:01 PM

I think I would send her the whole bill, then when she does not bulk, I would reduce it in a show of conciliation.

Boyfriend non-plumber (by Frank [NJ]) Posted on: Sep 14, 2022 2:05 PM

If not for the boyfriends bad acts, you would not have these damages.

Get it fixed correctly and give them the Entire bill.

Boyfriend non-plumber (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Sep 14, 2022 5:08 PM

Besides being a landlord I'm also a California Licensed Master Plumbing Contractor. Many times a client, renter or a tenant of mine will "try" to fix a plumbing issue and cause substantial damage. Now things can't simply be fixed, they need to be replaced!

One example: when you want to remove a plumbing fixture from the suppling galvanized pipe, you can not use a single wrench, you have to isolate the supply pipe and hold it in place while you try to unscrew connecting fittings. Otherwise things that are old and not if the best shape will snap off.

Or when removing old parts you may heat it up, freeze it down, use a sonic vibrator or opposing wrenches.

When I caught someone trying to play "Plumber", I get so mad because what should have been a 20 minute parts replacement job is now a 2 hours plus -- open the wall and replace the fixture and connecting pipes.

I make the handyman, plumber or tenant pay the price of their damages. --47.156.xx.xx

Boyfriend non-plumber (by Dave [MO]) Posted on: Sep 14, 2022 5:16 PM

Send her the bill. She said she would pay for the destruction her boyfriend caused. Wallet training.

The boyfriend should not attempt any repairs from here on out.

Boyfriend non-plumber (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Sep 14, 2022 8:51 PM

The only thing I would not charge for is the new faucet& shower head, if they are still working fine/not damaged by them. It's smart to do it while you are in there, but it/they weren't damaged by the tenant.

Charge them for all the labor and other costs. If she balks, tell her to get it from Him!

Boyfriend non-plumber (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Sep 15, 2022 12:10 AM

I had a tenant try to snake a toilet instead of calling me and scratched it all up. So they they painted the inside of the bowl to try to cover the damage.

This was a new toilet when she moved in six years prior. She called me, telling me what she had done, realized it was a mistake and asked for a new toilet.

I asked my plumber if he could just replace the bowl and he suggested just replacing the whole toilet because the insides would need to be rebuilt soon if not when he replaced the bowl so it was more cost effective to just replace the whole thing since it comes with all new parts.

I charged her for the cost of replacing it with the same type toilet it had (a normal height, round bowl toilet). But I offered to pay the difference for an upgraded toilet (comfort height, elongated bowl).

She was elated. I figured I got an upgraded toilet for a small upcharge and she felt she got a better toilet for the cost of a lesser one which she agreed she damaged.

I would charge your tenant an appropriate amount for the damage but I would cover part of cost for the upgrades - you are after all getting new stuff that might have been 100% on you had they not attempted the repair. Sometimes they mean well and screw up. Itís frustrating but I use it as an opportunity to train them better.

Boyfriend non-plumber (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Sep 15, 2022 4:09 AM

Entire repair bill, this would not be needed except unauthorized-inexperienced repair technique attempt without contacting manager or owner, add repair bill to next rent cycle - wallet training...

Boyfriend non-plumber (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Sep 15, 2022 7:58 AM

LisaFL, why bother replacing the toilet? is it a big deal if the porcelain in the bowl is scratched?

I would charge for everything except the upgrade --74.77.xx.xx

Boyfriend non-plumber (by Laura [MD]) Posted on: Sep 15, 2022 9:33 AM

I think it is important for tenant to be charged something meaningful, so boyfriend does not attempt more "repairs".

Boyfriend non-plumber (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Sep 15, 2022 10:35 AM

For bathtub faucet the best option is a ceramic disc faucet with pressure balance so shower temperature is constant. The ceramic disc is the least problems where sometimes can clean out then reassemble.

Boyfriend non-plumber (by Scott [IN]) Posted on: Sep 15, 2022 10:54 AM

As Laura said, this is an important training moment, and for the lesson to stick, it must be painful. Don't be nice.

Boyfriend non-plumber (by Lana [IN]) Posted on: Sep 15, 2022 12:16 PM

I talked with her today and was far from nice. She lied and said diverter was already mangled and they kept trying to make it work. Me: THEN YOU CALL FOR MAINTENENCE. There is a lot of copper connections here and I am a little beyond my handyman's plumbing expertise. The sink and all its fixtures need pulled for access and the pipes are old. I am thinking 1K to 2K bill depending on what goes right and what goes wrong. I am not approving him as a roommate, he is now an unwelcome guest and I told her that. I also reminded her she is month to month and I am so very tempted.

Boyfriend non-plumber (by Hoosier [IN]) Posted on: Sep 15, 2022 3:45 PM

I think you're handling it correctly Lana. I have a clause in my lease that tenants are not permitted to do repair work on the unit. Hopefully you have such a clause. I'd send notice that they violated that clause, and have them reaffirm they both understand the lease clause and won't do it again. It's your choice if you want to say that an additional violation of a lease clause will (I'd say "may", not "will") lead to eviction.

I had a tenant's BF try to fix a garage door opener and he fried the entire circuit board by rewiring it...a $600 repair in all...she paid for it $300 a month for 2 months.

I had another tenant where the handle for the shower valve came off. It's an easy fix, but rather than call me they attached vice grips to the splined end and operated the shower that way for 2 months...ruining the valve. Eventually they HAD to tell me about it, so they ended up paying $420 for an entire shower valve repair (had to cut through the drywall on the backside to get to it, so a drywall repair was included).

I even give my tenants a small box of wall anchors when they move in and say "Please use these, they cause the least damage and they work really well"....but for some reason they use those "toggler" things that make a HUGE hole in the wall and I end up charging them for drywall repairs.

Boyfriend non-plumber (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Sep 15, 2022 7:24 PM

Ken (NY)

Well the tenant apparently scratched the bowl to the point of deciding it needed to be painted and apparently created a mess for herself. She wanted to have it replaced for cosmetic reasons and took full responsibility for her decision to do these things. I told her it was just cosmetic and it could wait until she moved out because I didnít very well want her doing something stupid again after I put a new toilet in but I donít think she will make that mistake again.

So since she would be held accountable anyway, I suppose she wanted to fix it now so she wouldnít have to have an unsightly looking toilet. I wasnít the one who suggested replacing it at that time. That was her. I just offered to pay for the upgrade because in actuality I was getting a nicer toilet too and it didnít cost me near as much as it would have if I was paying for the entire thing and the installation myself.

Boyfriend non-plumber (by Nancy [NJ]) Posted on: Sep 19, 2022 8:01 PM

Lana ... I have the Martha Stewart / Bob Vila Clause - that's what I title it when I review the lease with tenant at signing, in short some of it reads -

NO re-painting, NO gluing stapling over hardwood floors, NO wallpapering , NO excessive nailing, NO refacing the cabinets,NO building of anything ( bar area, breakfast nook, adding to patio/decking structure ) ABSOLUTELY NO self repairs to electric, plumbing, HVAC ...nothing !

Please call ASAP to report a situation with the property.

There will be NO "self repair" NO billing back to landlord NO deduction form rental fee for any said performed work.

Partaking in any self DYI - repair - etc. will be iin violation of the lease resulting in grounds for eviction and the tenant will be charged as additional rent separate from rental security deposit funds to return the premises back to the condition to which premises was initially rented


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